1911 knowledge

[MasonCo.]

I have always been into the 1911, and will be purchasing one soon.

Please chime in and give some recommendations.

I will not be concealing this pistol.
I want a 45, not a compact

From what I have been told, stick with a Springfield or a colt.

I’m wanting a high quality 1911, not a 600-800 dollar 1911.


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[thor0812]

Personally I'm a fan of Springfields and OLD Kimbers but thats just me

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[Texas Stalker]

STI makes a great one. Heavy but super nice.


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[jsn713]

Les Baer/TRIARC/Dan Wesson/Nighthawk/Wilson Combat/Kings Arsenal/STI (unless they’re purely making 2011s) if you want to take more pictures of it than rounds you fire from it.

[roughneck266]

If High quality is what you want, I would look at a Dan Wesson, or STI or Wilson Combat. I am assuming since you said it isn't for carry purposed you are looking for something pretty nice.
Honestly, the new Colts aren't really the same as the older ones. Springers are better in my opinion.

[airehead]

STI built in Georgetown Texas can’t beat the customer service and warranty!!!!


Ron

[Clay C]

Dan Wesson, WC, NH or Alchemy. Look at 1911addicts. You can get some really cool guns there at a discount if willing to buy used.

[TacticalCowboy]

SVI is what you seek.

[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by airehead

STI built in Georgetown Texas can’t beat the customer service and warranty!!!!


Ron

Well, maybe before they changed directions....

[MasonCo.]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

Well, maybe before they changed directions....

As in ?


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[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by MasonCo.

As in ?


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STI is now "Staccato" and their warranty statement has changed.

They used to be made for shooters.... now they seem to be made for mall ninjas.

[RifleBowPistol]

Originally Posted by jsn713

Les Baer/TRIARC/Dan Wesson/Nighthawk/Wilson Combat/Kings Arsenal/STI (unless they’re purely making 2011s) if you want to take more pictures of it than rounds you fire from it.

Les Baer stuff used to be seriously bad A stuff, have not heard that name in a long time, don't know what he is doing now. I would assume his stuff is still great, just a lot more experience since I last saw his work and shot one of his guns.

[muddyfuzzy]

Suck it up and buy and nice Series 70.


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[Artos]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

STI is now "Staccato" and their warranty statement has changed.

They used to be made for shooters.... now they seem to be made for mall ninjas.

Negative...they have just moved away from the more traditional metal/alloy framed 1911's & seems to be a brilliant business move if wanting to acquire one. Get in line.


Lotsa folks making traditional full sized 1911's but just depends on what make up the OP wants...Dan Wesson / Wilson / Nighthawk / LB and other top shelf options are out there.

A legit minty Colt 70 series Gold Cup would be a good snag...

[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by Artos

Negative...they have just moved away from the more traditional metal/alloy framed 1911's & seems to be a brilliant business move if wanting to acquire one. Get in line.


Lotsa folks making traditional full sized 1911's but just depends on what make up the OP wants...Dan Wesson / Wilson / Nighthawk / LB and other top shelf options are out there.

A legit minty Colt 70 series Gold Cup would be a good snag...

Oh yeah? Cause used to you could buy an STI, shoot a crapload of handloads out of it, put a different grip on it, mill the slide down to a certain weight, and they would still warranty it.

Now it seems as though cerakoating it voids the warranty..... https://staccato2011.com/warranty-agreement/

[RJH1]

Originally Posted by MasonCo.

I have always been into the 1911, and will be purchasing one soon.

Please chime in and give some recommendations.

I will not be concealing this pistol.
I want a 45, not a compact

From what I have been told, stick with a Springfield or a colt.

I’m wanting a high quality 1911, not a 600-800 dollar 1911.


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So, what is your budget, there are varying degrees of high quality

[Artos]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

Oh yeah? Cause used to you could buy an STI, shoot a crapload of handloads out of it, put a different grip on it, mill the slide down to a certain weight, and they would still warranty it.

Now it seems as though cerakoating it voids the warranty..... https://staccato2011.com/warranty-agreement/

...and that has affected your life in what way?? Have you contacted Chris to see if he could in any way see if your particular issue could be resolved??

...or is there is another side of the story of where aftermarket alterations went sideways & you want the OEM to eat your bad decision?? Just trying to understand the underlying bad mouthing of a bad arse company / tbh sponsor.

I have several staccato's from customers waiting to come in & being the small fry I am in the gun world...I doubt your gritch'n is gonna hurt.

[MillsJake]

Dan Wesson, night hawk, or Wilson combat is where I’d start looking if I was dropping some coin on a 1911. Very respectable name with reliability to back it up.

[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by Artos

...and that has affected your life in what way?? Have you contacted Chris to see if he could in any way see if your particular issue could be resolved??

...or is there is another side of the story of where aftermarket alterations went sideways & you want the OEM to eat your bad decision?? Just trying to understand the underlying bad mouthing of a bad arse company / tbh sponsor.

I have several staccato's from customers waiting to come in & being the small fry I am in the gun world...I doubt your gritch'n is gonna hurt.

Doesn't hurt me at all. I'm a shooter, not a mall ninja. STI used to build guns for shooters; now it doesnt seem as such.

I simply said they had changed direction and warranty statement. Sorry that hurts your feelings.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

Doesn't hurt me at all. I'm a shooter, not a mall ninja. STI used to build guns for shooters; now it doesnt seem as such.

I simply said they had changed direction and warranty statement. Sorry that hurts your feelings.

I'm sticking up for my friend & a company direction I respect...you are butt hurt over a some vague wnty coverage without even dealing with them directly with a defect of one of their products??

It's a name change & a lawyer / mitigation clause...some of the best shooters in the world are choosing staccato & yet you have picked yourself as the judge / jury of their wnty policies without any personal experience as the know it all on tbh 1911 knowledge??



I'm at a loss...I wanna hear you PERSONAL experience where staccato screwed you over.

[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by Artos

I'm sticking up for my friend & a company direction I respect...you are butt hurt over a some vague wnty coverage without even dealing with them directly with a defect of one of their products??

It's a name change & a lawyer / mitigation clause...some of the best shooters in the world are choosing staccato & yet you have picked yourself as the judge / jury of their wnty policies without any personal experience as the know it all on tbh 1911 knowledge??



I'm at a loss...I wanna hear you PERSONAL experience where staccato screwed you over.

Ok whatever you win. I stand by my statements.

And is STI/Staccato a TBH sponsor anymore? And which top shooters are you referring to?Honest question .

[muddyfuzzy]

Like I said get a nice series 70.


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[Artos]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

Ok whatever you win. I stand by my statements.

And is STI/Staccato a TBH sponsor anymore? And which top shooters are you referring to?Honest question .

tell me about all the slide mods / ceracoating wnty turndowns first...I'll get with Chris on shooting sponsors if you still want to tango / wager.

honest question

[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by Artos

tell me about all the slide mods / ceracoating wnty turndowns first...I'll get with Chris on shooting sponsors if you still want to tango / wager.

honest question

I just would like to know why they went from making off-the-shelf competition pistols and a warranty to match, to these super-tactical guns with a different company name and warranty statement. Go ahead and ask Chris for me.


If "Dillon Precision" went from a "No BS Warranty" to: "Dalton Machine" and a "we dont want to hear from you warranty" would you not be a little suspect?

[sendit]

Several years ago my daughter and I were doing some shooting some 9mm’s and she asked if she could shoot a Kimber .45 of mine. I had my doubts but said sure you can try it but probably won’t like it. Well she took to it like flies on stink. I then bought her a Ed Brown Custom Carry and it’s a fine handgun. She shoots it very well for a 100lb girly girl or not.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by TacticalCowboy

I just would like to know why they went from making off-the-shelf competition pistols and a warranty to match, to these super-tactical guns with a different company name and warranty statement. Go ahead and ask Chris for me.


If "Dillon Precision" went from a "No BS Warranty" to: "Dalton Machine" and a "we dont want to hear from you warranty" would you not be a little suspect?

Why not ask yourself...or all those despondent with the current wnty that is dissolving the company of all their failures.

[TacticalCowboy]

Originally Posted by Artos

Why not ask yourself...or all those despondent with the current wnty that is dissolving the company of all their failures.

Well when you quit marketing guns to people that actually use them on a regular basis I would assume the failure rate would drop......

With that I withdraw from the debate.

[okrattler]

If I wanted to get a high dollar 1911 right now I'd get a Nighthawk Custom or an STI. I don't have any experience with either but they're good. For the price tag that's on them they better be anyway.

[Tony Pic]

I have always been a Colt guy when it came to 1911's. Get with the original. Like the gun/caliber and then step up to the STI's , Ed Browns and Jesse James guns. Then again. If you buy basic stock and then customize it. You can build your own to your specs and budget.

The series 70 Colt has a better trigger Than the series 80.
Read here for good info on those triggers. https://rangehot.com/series-70-vs-80...han-you-think/
Gold Cup models have National Match features an Adjustable Wide Trigger, National Match® Barrel, Adjustable Target Sights, and many other refinements as standard.
Hope you find ammo. You may be stuck with a gun with nothing to shoot out of it.

[J.B.]

Nighthawk.

[hunt247]

STI, Dan Wesson
I would buy a Sig over a colt or springfield.
Go buy a Rock Island or a Taurus to shoot and play around with to get the feel. Then get a good one to know the difference.

[Honker]

They're not cheap, but check out MG Arms...www.mgarmsinc.com.

Kerry O'Day is an artist. Made in Houston, TX.

His 1911 is called the Wraithe. Its the lightest 1911 I've held.

[Sidro]

https://fusionfirearms.com/

Spec out exactly what you want, guy owned Dan Wesson at one time. He knows his business and builds quality 1911's.

[Clay C]

Originally Posted by J.B.

Nighthawk.

I love my Alchemy, but also love diversity. So, If I ever get another semi-custom 1911 it will be a Nighthawk. One Smith handles the gun all the way through and they use no MIM. Not that there is anything wrong with quality MIM, I just don't think it should be in a $3K plus gun.

[Leverhunter]

Really depends on your budget. The Nighthawks, Wilson, etc are great but high dollar. For a good mid price range gun look at Kimber. There has been some less than good comments about new ones but I haven't had any issues and I shoot them a lot. No experience with Springfield but they have a good reputation.

[one66stang]

Buy the TBH STI that is in the classifieds and be happy you got it. Honestly STI is a great gun. If you want super high end then yea a Ed Brown or Nighthawk.

[Pushbutton2]

Love my Rock Island 9mm.

I've put 600 rds or through it. No issues yet.

[ken800]

Originally Posted by MasonCo.

I have always been into the 1911, and will be purchasing one soon.

Please chime in and give some recommendations.

I will not be concealing this pistol.
I want a 45, not a compact

From what I have been told, stick with a Springfield or a colt.

I’m wanting a high quality 1911, not a 600-800 dollar 1911.


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You have a lot of options... I have a "few" 1911s and have owned dozens. My personal favorite is still my Springfield stainless TRP. I replaced a few parts with EGW and have a very, very crisp 3.5ish lb trigger that has no creep, grit, etc. The upper and lower slide feel like the are riding on bearings. It is extremely accurate. With the EGW parts, I'm probably $1300 all-in.

Please note that there can be bad units, defects, etc. with any manufacturer. I've not had any issues with any of my springfields but I like "shoot the dot" instead of 6 o'clock hold. I've sent every springfield back and they replaced the front sight to my liking free of charge and paid shipping both ways every time. Their customer service has always been top notch.

I bought ONE colt to experience "the real thing". Not only would they not correct the sight picture (it was low left) for free, they wouldn't pay shipping. It would have cost me at least $150 to address the front sight which I felt ridiculous for a >$1000 pistol that was brand new. I sold that colt and it was my last.

I believe Ruger will also stand behind their products in a similar manner. I've had an issue with a ruger pistol and received the same customer service I have with springfield but ruger doesn't officially state their warranty.

As a last note... IF you are willing to spend $2300 or so, the springfield professional is a pinnacle in the industry.

Edit: extra last note. I hate rails on a 1911.

[woodsbound]

Another vote here for Dan Wesson, Les Baer or Wilson; absolutely love my Dan Wesson V-Bob

[ken800]

Originally Posted by woodsbound

Another vote here for Dan Wesson, Les Baer or Wilson; absolutely love my Dan Wesson V-Bob

Great weapons, indeed. Gonna pay for it, though, lol. I sold my Wilson and "downgraded" to the TRP and had a LOT of cash leftover, lol. Fantastic pistol, though. I still contend that the Springfield Professional which was around $2500 last I checked is the best product you can get in that price range. People are religious about their 1911s, though, and you can't go wrong with any of the quality makers. Just check that warranty/customer service...

[muzzlebrake]

I've had quite a few 1911 45's over the years. Kimber, Springfield, Sig and the best one I've owned so far is my RIA. It's the most accurate and flawless function of them all including the Sig which is #2. The RIA is strong enough to convert to 45 super (which I did) and also to 460 Rowland. Best part is when I bought it I only paid $325 NIB. The least accurate 1911 was the Kimber. Springfield was not much better. I put the Rock Island Arms pistols in the same category as Savage. They may be ugly but they shoot when you need them to.
My favorite carry pistol is my Sig 1911 C3 .45. Next favorite is my Sig P320 M18 9mm

[muzzlebrake]

Thinking now about cutting some small primer .308 Starline brass down and loading up some .450 SMC. All I need is a double recoil spring from Rowland and a ported barrel. Imagine 230 gr pills at 1400 fps and 1100 lbs energy

[Solocam84]

I want a wilson combat. Nighthawk and cabot 1911’s are very nice guns as well.

[Box-R]

I like my Springfield Armory EMP4. 1911 style/action in 9mm. Very accurate and seems well made.

[k-k]

My buddy has a Ruger sr1911 in .45, I haven't shot it much just a couple of boxes , but I can't really gripe anything on it.
My next purchase will be the ruger in 10mm.
I would not get rid of my gold cup for it.

[MasonCo.]

I said I didn’t want a cheap 1911, but I should have thrown out a price range. After looking at the WC and DW , wow they are nice and proud of it. My price range is 1200-1500 .

I’m on the hunt, I think it’s going to be hard with all this BS going on.

Thanks for the reply’s guys.


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[Leverhunter]

In that range your solid in the Kimber, Springfield, Ruger market. Heard good things about the Springfield and Ruger but no experience with them. Check out the Kimber TLE. Factory night sights and front strap checkering. Whatever you buy get some high quality magazines for it. Wilson or if 10mm try Cobra mags. I've the base plate fall off Colt mags during a match, a Kimber that wouldn't feed with Kimber mags., worked flawlessly with everything else. 1911 seem to be a little more magazine sensitive than other pistols.

[RJH1]

Originally Posted by MasonCo.

I said I didn’t want a cheap 1911, but I should have thrown out a price range. After looking at the WC and DW , wow they are nice and proud of it. My price range is 1200-1500 .

I’m on the hunt, I think it’s going to be hard with all this BS going on.

Thanks for the reply’s guys.


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In that range, i would probably go with a springfield TRP, assuming you can find one

[ken800]

Originally Posted by Leverhunter

In that range your solid in the Kimber, Springfield, Ruger market. Heard good things about the Springfield and Ruger but no experience with them. Check out the Kimber TLE. Factory night sights and front strap checkering. Whatever you buy get some high quality magazines for it. Wilson or if 10mm try Cobra mags. I've the base plate fall off Colt mags during a match, a Kimber that wouldn't feed with Kimber mags., worked flawlessly with everything else. 1911 seem to be a little more magazine sensitive than other pistols.

Interesting on the mags. I've probably got 50-60 1911 mags in 7 and 8 round varieties with a cornucopia of butt plates and I've not had an issue with any of them in any of 1911s. When I go to the range, I just grab a small handful of whatever's on top of the pile and go with it. That said, I like the checkmates and the wilsons for fit and finish.

[woodsbound]

Dan Wesson Guardian would be a very solid choice in that range

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...istol/p/p48033