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Old 01-08-2019, 09:14 PM   #1
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one word... DISAPOINTING! where was the national emergency to build the wall?
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I am a Trump supporter. but this just sounded the same as all of the other crap I have heard before, nothing is going to get done. same s**t, different day, imo.
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I don't think Trump will cave in I think he is willing to go down as a one term President to do his best to do what is right and keep his campaign promise.

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I am a Trump supporter. but this just sounded the same as all of the other crap I have heard before, nothing is going to get done. same s**t, different day, imo.
The difference is that he was able to make the case to the people in primetime where most folks would actually see it come from his mouth. The information is not new, no doubt about that. But doing it this way I believe he is just setting up his next move.
Hopefully that will include complete closure of all southern border crossings. Complete stop to all immigration.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:42 PM   #7
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The difference is that he was able to make the case to the people in primetime where most folks would actually see it come from his mouth. The information is not new, no doubt about that. But doing it this way I believe he is just setting up his next move.
Hopefully that will include complete closure of all southern border crossings. Complete stop to all immigration.
This. And I think he just gave the dims a chance to save face. Will they take advantage of it?

“Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across.” -Sun Tzu (The Art of War)
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Bust off a .50 cal. For about 5 minutes a couple of times a day at the border and i wouldn't think a wall would be necessary.
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The difference is that he was able to make the case to the people in primetime where most folks would actually see it come from his mouth. The information is not new, no doubt about that. But doing it this way I believe he is just setting up his next move.
Hopefully that will include complete closure of all southern border crossings. Complete stop to all immigration.
I pray you are right.
I was hoping for something a little more ballistic.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:46 PM   #10
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The difference is that he was able to make the case to the people in primetime where most folks would actually see it come from his mouth. The information is not new, no doubt about that. But doing it this way I believe he is just setting up his next move.

Hopefully that will include complete closure of all southern border crossings. Complete stop to all immigration.


A complete stop to ALL immigration? As in legal also? Man half the IT companies in the US would close down within a year.


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Old 01-08-2019, 09:56 PM   #11
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Bust off a .50 cal. For about 5 minutes a couple of times a day at the border and i wouldn't think a wall would be necessary.
The cartels do it all the time. This was just a few days ago near the border bridge in Pharr, TX.

I wish we could send Pelosi and Schumer for ride alongs with our Border Patrol Agents for about a week.

I bet Schumer would pee his panties if he heard that gunfire live.

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Old 01-08-2019, 09:59 PM   #12
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How do these fools get in office.
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The cartels do it all the time. This was just a few days ago near the border bridge in Pharr, TX.

I wish we could send Pelosi and Schumer for ride alongs with our Border Patrol Agents for about a week.

I bet Schumer would pee his panties if he heard that gunfire live.

Shooting going on at the border close to the bridge to Pharr, TX - YouTube
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The difference is that he was able to make the case to the people in primetime where most folks would actually see it come from his mouth. The information is not new, no doubt about that. But doing it this way I believe he is just setting up his next move.
Hopefully that will include complete closure of all southern border crossings. Complete stop to all immigration.
I agree as well as last chance for Dems to save face.
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Both of those ****ing morons used the term “manufactured crisis”. That ****** me off. If they actually believe that then they are clueless about what’s really happening at the southern border.
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Well the manufactured crisis is correct funded by the Dems and Soros . They created this mess
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Well the manufactured crisis is correct funded by the Dems and Soros . They created this mess
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M2's every 200 yards along the border would stop the invasion pretty darn quick... couple of cycles of fire and them folks will stop coming...
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I thought it was good. He was speaking directly to the middle class folks who don't care about politics, and don't follow Fox and CNN. He layed out all the facts directly to them face to face. He then extended the olive branch again to resolve the shutdown....and set the stage for his State of the Union Address coming here shortly. The Dems are NOT in a good position at the moment.
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Last night was a take it to the people PR "stunt". The President laid out why it is important to have border security by citing so many examples of the crimes that illegals are perpetrating on our citizens. He wants the folks to be on his side, to understand why he is standing firm on this issue. So many Democrats have reversed their position on this issue simply because they can't stand to be on the same side as Trump on anything. Even Schumer just a few years ago called anyone in our country illegally and illegal alien and shouldn't be here. The Dems keep pounding out the message that a wall is immoral and that there are other ways to catch illegals without spending the money for a wall...When did the Democrats become fiscally conservative. The problem is once we catch them, with some kind of modern monitoring system, we handle it the same old way- hold them for 20 days then turn them loose into our country with the promise to return for their asylum court date. The Dems keep saying that most illegals are here because they have overstayed their vise- well then change the law to address that and then follow the laws that you pass. I am so tired of government officials condoning ignoring federal law. If you don't like the law then get it changed.
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I thought it was good. He was speaking directly to the middle class folks who don't care about politics, and don't follow Fox and CNN. He layed out all the facts directly to them face to face. He then extended the olive branch again to resolve the shutdown....and set the stage for his State of the Union Address coming here shortly. The Dems are NOT in a good position at the moment.
Alternative facts you mean
Scare tactics are a common tool in politics
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Last night was a take it to the people PR "stunt". The President laid out why it is important to have border security by citing so many examples of the crimes that illegals are perpetrating on our citizens. He wants the folks to be on his side, to understand why he is standing firm on this issue. So many Democrats have reversed their position on this issue simply because they can't stand to be on the same side as Trump on anything. Even Schumer just a few years ago called anyone in our country illegally and illegal alien and shouldn't be here. The Dems keep pounding out the message that a wall is immoral and that there are other ways to catch illegals without spending the money for a wall...When did the Democrats become fiscally conservative. The problem is once we catch them, with some kind of modern monitoring system, we handle it the same old way- hold them for 20 days then turn them loose into our country with the promise to return for their asylum court date. The Dems keep saying that most illegals are here because they have overstayed their vise- well then change the law to address that and then follow the laws that you pass. I am so tired of government officials condoning ignoring federal law. If you don't like the law then get it changed.
I completely agree about the overstayed visas. This is the main problem at hand that needs to be fixed NOW.
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Alternative facts you mean
Scare tactics are a common tool in politics
Fully agree scare tactics are a common tool in politics. What were the alternative facts he provided?
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Fully agree scare tactics are a common tool in politics. What were the alternative facts he provided?
Dems shut down the govt.

Misleading that Chucky supports a barrier, which he does, but not a wall. Unless Trump's using "wall" to mean a barrier fence.

Illegal drugs cost country $500 billion, Surgeon Gen. says $193 Billion. Stopping drugs coming in from southwest border is a drop in the bucket to all illegal drugs and how they impact our economy.

Mexico will pay for wall through MCA, which has yet to be passed. Nothing I have found in it details how this would have Mexico pay for wall.

A wall will not stop the heroin from coming across because the majority of it comes in through legal entry ports. Furthermore, using the number of US deaths is like comparing the number of guns in US to homicide rates. Marijuana comes across the illegal crossings by the tons but lots also comes through legal ports. Legalize it here and the bales will not be coming in the same numbers (my opinion only).

If all Americans are hurt by hiring illegals then he is a hypocrite. Tons of examples of him hiring them, but all he has to do is claim ignorance because they lied on documents, while all the while he saves dinero.
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I thought it was good. He was speaking directly to the middle class folks who don't care about politics, and don't follow Fox and CNN. He layed out all the facts directly to them face to face. He then extended the olive branch again to resolve the shutdown....and set the stage for his State of the Union Address coming here shortly. The Dems are NOT in a good position at the moment.
Ditto
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One more thing. The only way for a democrat or liberal to ever get their facts straight is to speak the truth but that is something the absolutely cannot do. Even if they wanted to.
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One more thing. The only way for a democrat or liberal to ever get their facts straight is to speak the truth but that is something the absolutely cannot do. Even if they wanted to.
Kinda like the "4,000 terrorists who crossed the border"
Facts like that create sheeple.
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Dems shut down the govt.

Misleading that Chucky supports a barrier, which he does, but not a wall. Unless Trump's using "wall" to mean a barrier fence.

Illegal drugs cost country $500 billion, Surgeon Gen. says $193 Billion. Stopping drugs coming in from southwest border is a drop in the bucket to all illegal drugs and how they impact our economy.

Mexico will pay for wall through MCA, which has yet to be passed. Nothing I have found in it details how this would have Mexico pay for wall.

A wall will not stop the heroin from coming across because the majority of it comes in through legal entry ports. Furthermore, using the number of US deaths is like comparing the number of guns in US to homicide rates. Marijuana comes across the illegal crossings by the tons but lots also comes through legal ports. Legalize it here and the bales will not be coming in the same numbers (my opinion only).

If all Americans are hurt by hiring illegals then he is a hypocrite. Tons of examples of him hiring them, but all he has to do is claim ignorance because they lied on documents, while all the while he saves dinero.
1. Schumer barrier /wall

2. I wonder what he was referencing then when he said 500 billion? Surely his
speech writers did not pull it out of thin air knowing every word of the
speech would be fact checked? That is not even close to the SG estimates.
Guess something I can look up when I get some free time

3. Not sure haven't read it myself.

4. I'm sure if less money is spent having to guard/enforce miles of fence , line
once a wall is built more money can be used at border crossing to intercept
Heroin,fentinyl etc. Would you disagree?

5. Didn't know he hired illegals? If so I guess he is a hypocrite. But it is
absolutely true what he said that it takes jobs away from Hispanic and
African Americans.
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Dems shut down the govt.

Misleading that Chucky supports a barrier, which he does, but not a wall. Unless Trump's using "wall" to mean a barrier fence.

Illegal drugs cost country $500 billion, Surgeon Gen. says $193 Billion. Stopping drugs coming in from southwest border is a drop in the bucket to all illegal drugs and how they impact our economy.

Mexico will pay for wall through MCA, which has yet to be passed. Nothing I have found in it details how this would have Mexico pay for wall.

A wall will not stop the heroin from coming across because the majority of it comes in through legal entry ports. Furthermore, using the number of US deaths is like comparing the number of guns in US to homicide rates. Marijuana comes across the illegal crossings by the tons but lots also comes through legal ports. Legalize it here and the bales will not be coming in the same numbers (my opinion only).

If all Americans are hurt by hiring illegals then he is a hypocrite. Tons of examples of him hiring them, but all he has to do is claim ignorance because they lied on documents, while all the while he saves dinero.
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1. Schumer barrier /wall

2. I wonder what he was referencing then when he said 500 billion? Surely his
speech writers did not pull it out of thin air knowing every word of the
speech would be fact checked? That is not even close to the SG estimates.
Guess something I can look up when I get some free time

3. Not sure haven't read it myself.

4. I'm sure if less money is spent having to guard/enforce miles of fence , line
once a wall is built more money can be used at border crossing to intercept
Heroin,fentinyl etc. Would you disagree?

5. Didn't know he hired illegals? If so I guess he is a hypocrite. But it is
absolutely true what he said that it takes jobs away from Hispanic and
African Americans.

193 billion is from a study done in 2007

https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-to...nds-statistics
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Things will get stupid after people miss that first paycheck on Friday.
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The only reason the Dems are against a barrier is they know it will work and Trump will be right again! They could care less about wasted $$$.
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The only reason the Dems are against a barrier is they know it will work and Trump will be right again! They could care less about wasted $$$.
Minorites would flee the plantations..
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For any politician to express that Trump is wrong on border security is someone that is 100% partisan and only looking to continue the resistance. A peaceful transfer of power hasn't happened this time, not in a truly physical resistance although Antifa has had their moments, the Dems will sacrifice anyone or anything up to and including the safety of American citizens. Those that can't see that are only one thing and nothing more.

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How do these fools get in office.
They promise to build walls and throw people in jail.
But they don't do either once they get into office.
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And obama just spent 250k to build a wall around his house inside a gated community.
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For any politician to express that Trump is wrong on border security is someone that is 100% partisan and only looking to continue the resistance. A peaceful transfer of power hasn't happened this time, not in a truly physical resistance although Antifa has had their moments, the Dems will sacrifice anyone or anything up to and including the safety of American citizens. Those that can't see that are only one thing and nothing more.

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Kinda like the "4,000 terrorists who crossed the border"
Facts like that create sheeple.
Well like I said, truth is something liberals know nothing about. The statement actually read "4,000 Suspected Terrorists Stopped at the Mexico Border". No one ever said they crossed. It was also clarified that this included all points of entry, airlines etc and both northern and southern borders.
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Even if one terrorist is caught trying to enter across the Mexico border (and there were actually several caught last year) is reason enough for the wall.
It only takes one terrorist to blow up a cinema or other place full of innocents.
So what's the value of one innocent life let alone dozens or even hundreds. How much is your kids life worth to you or your mother/father/wife. Ok forget the wife part.
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The President’s Speech

PRESIDENT TRUMP: My fellow Americans, tonight I’m speaking to you because there is a growing humanitarian and security crisis at our southern border.
Every day, Customs and Border Protection agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country. We are out of space to hold them, and we have no way to promptly return them back home to their country. America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation, but all Americans are hurt by uncontrolled illegal migration.

It strains public resources and drives down jobs and wages. Among those hardest hit are African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans. Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs including meth, heroin, cocaine, and fentanyl. Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone. Ninety percent of which floods across from our southern border. More Americans will die from drugs this year than were killed in the entire Vietnam War.
In the last two years, ICE officers made 266,000 arrests of aliens with criminal records including those charged or convicted of 100,000 assaults, 30,000 sex crimes, and 4,000 violent killings. Over the years, thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country and thousands more lives will be lost if we don’t act right now.

This is a humanitarian crisis. A crisis of the heart, and a crisis of the soul. Last month, 20,000 migrant children were illegally brought into the United States, a dramatic increase. These children are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs. One in three women are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico. Women and children are the biggest victims, by far, of our broken system.

This is the tragic reality of illegal immigration on our southern border. This is the cycle of human suffering that I am determined to end. My administration has presented Congress with a detailed proposal to secure the border and stop the criminal gangs, drug smugglers, and human traffickers. It’s a tremendous problem.
Our proposal was developed by law enforcement professionals and border agents at the Department of Homeland Security. These are the resources they have requested to properly perform their mission and keep America safe. In fact, safer than ever before.

The proposal from homeland security includes cutting edge technology for detecting drugs, weapons, illegal contraband and many other things. We have requested more agents, immigration judges to process the sharp rise of unlawful migration fueled by our very strong economy.

Our plan also contains an urgent request for humanitarian assistance and medical support. Furthermore, we have asked Congress to close border security loopholes so that illegal immigrant children can be safely and humanely returned back home.

Finally, as part of an overall approach to border security, law enforcement professionals have requested $5.7 billion for a physical barrier. At the request of Democrats it will be a steel barrier rather than a concrete wall. This barrier is absolutely critical to border
security. It’s also what our professionals at the border want and need. This is just common sense.

The border wall would very quickly pay for itself. The cost of illegal drugs exceeds $500 billion a year. Vastly more than the $5.7 billion we have requested from Congress. The wall will also be paid for indirectly by the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico.

Senator Chuck Schumer, who you will be hearing from later tonight, has repeatedly supported a physical barrier in the past along with many other Democrats. They changed their mind only after I was elected president.

Democrats in Congress have refused to acknowledge the crisis and they have refused to provide our brave border agents with the tools they desperately need to protect our families and our nation.
The federal government remains shut down for one reason, and one reason only, because Democrats will not fund border security. My administration is doing everything in our power to help those impacted by the situation, but the only solution is for Democrats to pass a spending bill that defends our borders and reopens the government.

This situation could be solved in a 45 minute meeting. I have invited congressional leadership to the White House tomorrow to get this done. Hopefully we can rise above partisan politics in order to support national security.

Some have suggested a barrier is immoral. Then why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences, and gates around their homes? They don’t build walls because they hate the people on the outside but because they love the people on the inside. The only thing that is immoral is the politicians to do nothing and continue to allow more innocent people to be so horribly victimized.
America’s heart broke the day after Christmas when a young police officer in California was savagely murdered in cold blood by an illegal alien, just came across the border. The life of an American hero was stolen by someone who had no right to be in our country. Day after day, precious lives are cut short by those who have violated our borders.

In California, an air force veteran was raped, murdered, and beaten to death with a hammer by an illegal alien with a long criminal history. In Georgia, an illegal alien was recently charged with murder for killing, beheading, and dismembering his neighbor. In Maryland, MS-13 gang members who arrived in the United States as unaccompanied minors were arrested and charged last year after viciously stabbing and beating a 16-year-old girl.
Over the last several years I have met with dozens of families whose loved ones were stolen by illegal immigration. I have held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief stricken fathers. So sad, so terrible. I will never forget the pain in their eyes, the tremble in their voices, and the sadness gripping their souls. How much more American blood must we shed before Congress does its job?

To those who refuse to compromise in the name of border security, I would ask, imagine if it was your child, your husband, or your wife whose life was so cruelly shattered and totally broken. To every member of Congress: pass a bill that ends this crisis. To every citizen, call Congress, and tell them to finally, after all of these decades, secure our border.
This is a choice between right and wrong, justice and injustice. This is about whether we fulfill our sacred duty to the American citizens we serve. When I took the oath of office, I swore to protect our country and that is what I will always do so help me god.

Thank you and good night.
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Thinking this thread needs some fact checking
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Obviously he didn't think Mexico was going to write a check.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...gGeuy5hM_ZuB4A
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Anyone who actually thought Mexico was going to physically hand over a check for the wall.....is an idiot.
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Even if one terrorist is caught trying to enter across the Mexico border (and there were actually several caught last year) is reason enough for the wall.
It only takes one terrorist to blow up a cinema or other place full of innocents.
So what's the value of one innocent life let alone dozens or even hundreds. How much is your kids life worth to you or your mother/father/wife. Ok forget the wife part.
That sounds a lot like the logic used to argue for gun control
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That sounds a lot like the logic used to argue for gun control
Well, there is that pesky Constitution.
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I bet Schumer would pee his panties if he heard that gunfire live.

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I can see and hear Hillary - "... once we had to duck and scramble as we left the helicopter {because of gun fire}...." LOL!
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Anyone who actually thought Mexico was going to physically hand over a check for the wall.....is an idiot.
53 million known idiots Stood With Her
Of the 50 million that voted for him, how many do you think thought he meant Mexico was going to actually "cut us a check" and not us merely "reducing the amount of billions in aid we give them in installments to pay for the wall"?

When your wife says she wants to buy something do you think she's going to take the money out of your checking account or do you think she means that she's going to barter, trade and use coupon schemes in order to "pay" for whatever item?
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That sounds a lot like the logic used to argue for gun control
Nope. Not even close. Gun control is being able to put 6 shots in the bullseye rapid fire at 25 yards.
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53 million known idiots Stood With Her
Of the 50 million that voted for him, how many do you think thought he meant Mexico was going to actually "cut us a check" and not us merely "reducing the amount of billions in aid we give them in installments to pay for the wall"?

When your wife says she wants to buy something do you think she's going to take the money out of your checking account or do you think she means that she's going to barter, trade and use coupon schemes in order to "pay" for whatever item?
Litterly zero thought that. The left would have you think everyone who voted for him thought Mexico was going to cut a check...and now feel duped.
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Litterly zero thought that. The left would have you think everyone who voted for him thought Mexico was going to cut a check...and now feel duped.
I don’t know man. There are some on here that literally feel duped, as they continually express such.
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