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Old 12-28-2018, 07:13 PM   #1
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Saw this on book of faces. Good read imo

WHAT IS AN INFIDEL ?
The author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry. The man who walks with God always gets to his destination. If you have a pulse you have a purpose.
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States , especially in the minority races and especially with prison inmates.
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who each explained their beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Muslim gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Muslim and asked:
'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, " Nonbelievers"
I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.'
He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'
I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine The Pope commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'
The Muslim was speechless.
I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question:
Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'
You could have heard a pin drop.
Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the US. to elect the President.
I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on! This is your chance to make a difference.
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Bravo ! Someone calling them out for what they are. Muslims try to get you to believe that Allah and God (the Jewish and Christian God) are the same. I tell them no he is not, my God is a loving and forgiving God and not a false god that requires followers to kill people to conform to their beliefs. My God gives people free choice to accept Him or not.
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I’m an infidel. I’d like to see all the true believers escorted out of this country starting with obama
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I’m an Infidel
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Infidel all the way
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:43 PM   #6
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Very scary facts!!
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:48 PM   #7
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And they will get us from inside our own government

https://www.pressenza.com/2018/11/th...presentatives/

3 elected this last round of changing our country, including all the libs that were elected too.
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Hi, my name is Joe, and I’m an infidel
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Infidel and will die for my Christian believes.
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Infidel and will die for my Christian believes.


Some day this will come to pass


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Old 12-28-2018, 08:47 PM   #11
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Before y’all go casting stones, you may want to go look and see what the Muslim faith really teaches. It is my understanding that it does not teach to kill all nonbelievers. Like happens in all religions, certain groups will take certain verses/thoughts out of context to promote their own agenda. Christians do it. Muslims do it. Conservatives do it. Liberals do it.

I think the bigger problem is the fact that Facebook and other similar social media websites promote the spread of misinformation or articles with a grain of truth and a bushel of lies and then people see it and believe it because they saw it on Facebook. In fact, a quick google search calls into question the accuracy of the above story.

And for the record...I am not a Muslim nor am I related to one.
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/allah-or-jesus/
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Before y’all go casting stones, you may want to go look and see what the Muslim faith really teaches. It is my understanding that it does not teach to kill all nonbelievers. Like happens in all religions, certain groups will take certain verses/thoughts out of context to promote their own agenda. Christians do it. Muslims do it. Conservatives do it. Liberals do it.

I think the bigger problem is the fact that Facebook and other similar social media websites promote the spread of misinformation or articles with a grain of truth and a bushel of lies and then people see it and believe it because they saw it on Facebook. In fact, a quick google search calls into question the accuracy of the above story.

And for the record...I am not a Muslim nor am I related to one.
I'm not casting stones, I'm rolling boulders. If the Muslim beliefs are as innocent as you say, why do you not see wholesale denouncement of the ones that want to kill us all by the ones who supposedly don't ? As in every group of people, there are those that are radical in belief and action, and those that are in complete agreement with them, but keep it under wraps. It is my firm belief that a large majority of Muslims that are in the US belong in the latter group. I was wrong once before, so you believe what you want.
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And they will get us from inside our own government

https://www.pressenza.com/2018/11/th...presentatives/

3 elected this last round of changing our country, including all the libs that were elected too.
You should notice what is going on in the local elections of suburban America. It is scary how many are getting elected to office.
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Old 12-28-2018, 09:36 PM   #15
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Not only is that a false presentation of what happened it's full of misinformation.

I'm not going to spend the time to point our all the false information but please spend a little bit of time educating yourself before you simply copy and paste information.
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I am a major league infidel.
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Not only is that a false presentation of what happened it's full of misinformation.

I'm not going to spend the time to point our all the false information but please spend a little bit of time educating yourself before you simply copy and paste information.

What do you say is misinformation? The facts about the Muslim religion?
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Old 12-28-2018, 10:33 PM   #18
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Infidel is supposed to mean someone who doesn’t pray or believe in God, which would exempt any Christian but just like many other definitions they get perverted.

Like racist is used term now to describe predudice or discrimination and all three are different.

Terroism by nature is simply a means to get people’s to alter their normal behavior.

So many more these days but all the perversions comes from Satan.
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Not only is that a false presentation of what happened it's full of misinformation.

I'm not going to spend the time to point our all the false information but please spend a little bit of time educating yourself before you simply copy and paste information.
Not like you would have any bias defending said extremism reguarding the overall issue either...doubt this ends well amigo.
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Do doubt I'm an infidel
No doubt muslims hacked off a couple innocent young ladies heads last week
No doubt muslims killed thousands of Americans
No doubt the religion of peace treats their woman like cattle
No doubt God forgives sinners and does not call to kill
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Nope, not going to end well at all.

My problem is that no one in the Muslim/Islamic faith is denouncing the atrocities being committed in many parts of the world, pretty obvious to me that they are afraid to speak or suffer the same consequences. Yes, there are many radicals in all religions but I know we denounce those that commit these acts. I also aware that there are those that are quick to quote Old Testament teachings and fail to acknowledge Jesus' saving grace (that would be the New Testament). I'm pretty sure that Jesus was crucified for his teachings against most of those laws not for following those Old Testament laws.
What's scary/exciting is that things are not going to get better only going to get worse.
Yes we are at least 1 day closer.
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I am curious how many of you have interactions with those of the Muslim faith on a daily/weekly basis?

Is the information you get only from social media?

And before you pounce you should know I am a liscensed and ordained minister in the SBC. I am also a liscensed chaplain with the IMB and my day job is as a Prison Chaplain in one of these places the article wrote about. I deal with Muslim offenders and a Muslim Chaplain daily.

Them Christians with their jailhouse religion could learn a thing or two about conviction...

Oh...I also have an undergrad in religion and masters from a SBC seminary...I have studied my Christian History also. There is not a catholic or protetant that should ever point at a faith’s history and judge.


My .02 cents for what it’s worth...just treat like Jesus would and watch what happens.

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Calling snopes when in search of the truth is a joke, SMH.

I'm thinking the current muslim's definition of an infidel has a chain-gun or A-10.
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Not like you would have any bias defending said extremism reguarding the overall issue either...doubt this ends well amigo.
I certainly don't but I also know that people don't want the truth they just want to sit in their echo chambers and hear themselves preach falsehoods because anything different from themselves is scary.
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I watched both video's, both worthwhile viewing imo.

For those who don't want to sit through the entire longer second one I found interesting soundbites at minute markers-
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I am curious how many of you have interactions with those of the Muslim faith on a daily/weekly basis?

Is the information you get only from social media?

And before you pounce you should know I am a liscensed and ordained minister in the SBC. I am also a liscensed chaplain with the IMB and my day job is as a Prison Chaplain in one of these places the article wrote about. I deal with Muslim offenders and a Muslim Chaplain daily.

Them Christians with their jailhouse religion could learn a thing or two about conviction...

Oh...I also have an undergrad in religion and masters from a SBC seminary...I have studied my Christian History also. There is not a catholic or protetant that should ever point at a faith’s history and judge.


My .02 cents for what it’s worth...just treat like Jesus would and watch what happens.


It’s not so much about the history but the present. I honestly don’t know how a Christian can reconcile with the “religion” of Islam regardless of where you get your information.


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Where in the Video does it say that a good follower of Satan and the moon god is a dead one?

I have plenty of conviction.
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I am curious how many of you have interactions with those of the Muslim faith on a daily/weekly basis?

Is the information you get only from social media?

And before you pounce you should know I am a liscensed and ordained minister in the SBC. I am also a liscensed chaplain with the IMB and my day job is as a Prison Chaplain in one of these places the article wrote about. I deal with Muslim offenders and a Muslim Chaplain daily.

Them Christians with their jailhouse religion could learn a thing or two about conviction...

Oh...I also have an undergrad in religion and masters from a SBC seminary...I have studied my Christian History also. There is not a catholic or protetant that should ever point at a faith’s history and judge.


My .02 cents for what it’s worth...just treat like Jesus would and watch what happens.

Since you're the expert, is there a concept equivalent to taqiyya in Christianity or any other established religion?

What would Jesus say about it?
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I certainly don't but I also know that people don't want the truth they just want to sit in their echo chambers and hear themselves preach falsehoods because anything different from themselves is scary.
And where do we find this truth you speak of?
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Just know enough from fighting those 4th century savages for pretty-much the last 17 years. Learned all I need to know about them. The extreme Muslims will cut your head off. The moderate Muslims will stand by and watch and not say a freaking thing.

Go ahead and preach your moral equivalence crap. Just remember that when they come for you and your children.
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It’s not so much about the history but the present. I honestly don’t know how a Christian can reconcile with the “religion” of Islam regardless of where you get your information.


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A Christian should take their actions and reactions from the example of Jesus. We are not to judge and condemn but are to share the Gospel thru actions and words.

So let me ask you...in the present...are you being obedient to the Lords commands?

Shared the Gospel lately?
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Since you're the expert, is there a concept equivalent to taqiyya in Christianity or any other established religion?

What would Jesus say about it?
Not an expert but have stayed in a holiday inn.

Have you ever read about the atrocities acted out by Christians after the reformation?

Studied history of the church and what people did in the name of their faith?

To that point have you looked around!?! Christians deny their faith everyday in the pursuit of fame fortune and the American dream.

“Love one another” is never more openly disobeyed than in a Sunday morning at 11:00 o’clock in churches all across our nation.
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A Christian should take their actions and reactions from the example of Jesus. We are not to judge and condemn but are to share the Gospel thru actions and words.



So let me ask you...in the present...are you being obedient to the Lords commands?



Shared the Gospel lately?


Actually yes I have, my daughters best friend asked to be baptized 2 weeks ago after going to church with us. I try my best but I am human. But to think that Jesus just turned the other cheek is not only misleading but also makes me question what you are preaching.
Islam does not square with Christianity so if you are telling me that I should question my religion vs another then I question you.


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Actually yes I have, my daughters best friend asked to be baptized 2 weeks ago after going to church with us. I try my best but I am human. But to think that Jesus just turned the other cheek is not only misleading but also makes me question what you are preaching.
Islam does not square with Christianity so if you are telling me that I should question my religion vs another then I question you.


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Question all day long...people should.

Do you think the Christian has a Devine mandate to share the Gospel with Muslims?

Jesus does not “square” with anything other than the individual realizing that it is only He who saves.

Stop passing judgments and reading into text what isn’t there.

Trust Jesus and do what His word commands.

Specifically John 3:17 when it comes to declaring who should have the Gospel available to them.

All are lost and need a Savior.
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It’s not so much about the history but the present. I honestly don’t know how a Christian can reconcile with the “religion” of Islam regardless of where you get your information.


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Muslims or Christians did this?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
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I certainly don't but I also know that people don't want the truth they just want to sit in their echo chambers and hear themselves preach falsehoods because anything different from themselves is scary.
Folks should read Marcus Latrell's book again...lost more than any person should have to see, yet is alive because of a small village on the top of a mountain. I doubt you will ever here him use the words 'all' and/or 'every' on the topic.

I have commented in the past about lacking vocal outcry as a whole towards the extreme, but like I said just not gonna end well.
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Not an expert but have stayed in a holiday inn.

Have you ever read about the atrocities acted out by Christians after the reformation?

Studied history of the church and what people did in the name of their faith?

To that point have you looked around!?! Christians deny their faith everyday in the pursuit of fame fortune and the American dream.

“Love one another” is never more openly disobeyed than in a Sunday morning at 11:00 o’clock in churches all across our nation.
You didn't answer my question.

Since day 1, Christians fail to live up to the word. We're forgiven even if we don't deserve it. Humans are flawed. Always will be.

Is there any other established religion that doesn't incorporate the Golden Rule in some form other than Islam?
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You didn't answer my question.

Since day 1, Christians fail to live up to the word. We're forgiven even if we don't deserve it. Humans are flawed. Always will be.

Is there any other established religion that doesn't incorporate the Golden Rule in some form other than Islam?
I did answer your question.

You asked about the practice taught in the Koran about a practitioner lying about their faith in the face of persecution.

I responded that Christians fail to adhere to the tenants of their faith in the face of opposition and cultural norms (ie we are more passionate over football and deer season than our Lord)

I’m not arguing. The Golden Rule is not The Gospel. We are to love like Jesus even when treated bad.

Forgiveness is the most unatuaral act we humans will ever participate in. Only a relationship with Jesus let’s us know what real forgiveness looks like.
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I don't know if its true or not but that has been around for at least 10 years. Cant believe it resurfaced.

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I am curious how many of you have interactions with those of the Muslim faith on a daily/weekly basis?

Is the information you get only from social media?

And before you pounce you should know I am a liscensed and ordained minister in the SBC. I am also a liscensed chaplain with the IMB and my day job is as a Prison Chaplain in one of these places the article wrote about. I deal with Muslim offenders and a Muslim Chaplain daily.

Them Christians with their jailhouse religion could learn a thing or two about conviction...

Oh...I also have an undergrad in religion and masters from a SBC seminary...I have studied my Christian History also. There is not a catholic or protetant that should ever point at a faith’s history and judge.


My .02 cents for what it’s worth...just treat like Jesus would and watch what happens.
So what is an infidel?

Do the muslims you interact with understand that God is not Allah, and Allah is not God?
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Not an expert but have stayed in a holiday inn.

Have you ever read about the atrocities acted out by Christians after the reformation?

Studied history of the church and what people did in the name of their faith?

To that point have you looked around!?! Christians deny their faith everyday in the pursuit of fame fortune and the American dream.

“Love one another” is never more openly disobeyed than in a Sunday morning at 11:00 o’clock in churches all across our nation.


And as a Christian I can tell you that the actors in the reformation were wrong.
Do you see “moderate” Muslims denouncing the extremists? I use the term moderate incredibly loosely. If they are true believer and follow the quran then they’re all extremists. Some just may not be acting on it. But make no mistake, if that time comes, the true Islamist will act in accordance to their book. Muslims But let’s not pretend that Islam is a religion. It’s a extremist supremist ideology cloaked in the mantle of religion.
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So what is an infidel?

Do the muslims you interact with understand that God is not Allah, and Allah is not God?
They understand that I am open to share with them who I know Jesus to be.

It is not my job to convince or convict. That is the Holy Spirt’s.

I am not concerned with who is right or wrong but rather I am concerned about introducing them to Jesus.

That is the Biblical mandate for all followers of Christ.
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And as a Christian I can tell you that the actors in the reformation were wrong.
Do you see “moderate” Muslims denouncing the extremists? I use the term moderate incredibly loosely. If they are true believer and follow the quran then they’re all extremists. Some just may not be acting on it. But make no mistake, if that time comes, the true Islamist will act in accordance to their book. Muslims But let’s not pretend that Islam is a religion. It’s a extremist supremist ideology cloaked in the mantle of religion.
All I know is that I am a sinner saved by Grace. I take every occasion to tell folks about that Grace...especially those Muslims that have never heard about it.
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The Qu'ran's Warnings Regarding Christianity
The Qu'ran also has several passages expressing concern for the Christian practice of worshipping Jesus Christ as God. It is the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity that most disturbs Muslims. To Muslims, the worship of any historical figure as God himself is a sacrilege and heresy.

"If only they [i.e. Christians] had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course, but many of them follow a course that is evil" (5:66).
"Oh People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. Say not, 'Trinity.' Desist! It will be better for you, for God is One God, Glory be to Him! (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs" (4:171).
"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is but a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the Truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him! (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)" (9:30-31).
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All I know is that I am a sinner saved by Grace. I take every occasion to tell folks about that Grace...especially those Muslims that have never heard about it.
Of course. That is what we are cAlled to do. I wholeheartedly agree.
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I am curious how many of you have interactions with those of the Muslim faith on a daily/weekly basis?

Is the information you get only from social media?

And before you pounce you should know I am a liscensed and ordained minister in the SBC. I am also a liscensed chaplain with the IMB and my day job is as a Prison Chaplain in one of these places the article wrote about. I deal with Muslim offenders and a Muslim Chaplain daily.

Them Christians with their jailhouse religion could learn a thing or two about conviction...

Oh...I also have an undergrad in religion and masters from a SBC seminary...I have studied my Christian History also. There is not a catholic or protetant that should ever point at a faith’s history and judge.


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No need to look at their history....their pretty active today
I have reason to interact with them almost daily.....most dont want you talking to their females, even to try and comfort them in the aftermath of a tragic situation.
Dont believe I have seen any of them come out and denounce FGM or terrorist attacks.
I dont hate the majority of them , but I dont trust 90% of the males either
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