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Old 01-03-2017, 01:22 PM   #1
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The stock market is not an indication of how well or poorly the economy is doing.
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Willing to bet most of that happened after November 8th.... lol
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Willing to bet most of that happened after November 8th.... lol
How much do you want to wager?
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How much do you want to wager?
1,000,000,000 henways
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I wouldn't give that bumbling moron credit for anything good that has happened in the last 8 years. If there is any good that came from his admin I would imagine it was a freaking accident.
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How much do you want to wager?
I cashed in before the election at 18200 and got liquid. It's up to 19800.00. I waged a lot....a whole lot.... oh well, win some loose some.
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How much do you want to wager?
I haven't looked into it, just a hunch I guess, I don't bet unless I'm certain.. So, nothing.

But is all seriousness I know my mutual funds took off after the election.
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Just imagine what it "could have been" if that bozo wasn't in office
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I haven't looked into it, just a hunch I guess, I don't bet unless I'm certain.. So, nothing.

But is all seriousness I know my mutual funds took off after the election.
My weed stocks went to highs after the election.
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EOY 2015 DOW 17,425

Nov 4th Dow 17,888

EOY 2016 DOW 19,762
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Just imagine what it "could have been" if that bozo wasn't in office
We're gonna see what the next 4 to 8 brings us.
Anything short of 25K for the DOW is a failure.
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EOY 2015 DOW 17,425

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EOY 2016 DOW 19,762
Huh......imagine that. I guess TXHUNT3R should have taken that bet.
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Huh......imagine that. I guess TXHUNT3R should have taken that bet.
Dang it lol
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I moved my 401k to bonds at 19,300. Figured cash in on the rise now and move it back to stocks later when it dips back down some... .hopefully at least lol
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Looks like he was right!

A lot of it was the certainty that Obama would no longer be in office.
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I moved my 401k to bonds at 19,300. Figured cash in on the rise now and move it back to stocks later when it dips back down some... .hopefully at least lol
same here...waiting for the next drop/correction
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How much has the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) changed?
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How much has the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) changed?
American factories are firing up their machines as we speak!
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American factories are firing up their machines as we speak!
They are now, but not under Obama.
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How much has the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) changed?
More than likely down quite a bit the last 8 years.
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How much has the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) changed?
2009 GDP was $14.419 trillion
2015 GDP was $16.397 trillion

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

That's a total increase in GDP of 13.72% over those 7 years (about 2% growth per year). That's sluggish growth, but it's growth. It grew because the private sector is good at finding a way. It was sluggish growth because of the added burden of big government (more taxes, Obamacare, huge growth in regulatory hassles, etc....). This has been the slowest post-recession recovery we've ever seen.

But that has meant that we haven't seen boom and bust in the stock market since 2008 too. Slow growth isn't all bad. The market has more than doubled in the last 8 years.

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2009 GDP was $14.419 trillion
2015 GDP was $16.397 trillion

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

That's a total increase in GDP of 13.72% over those 7 years (about 2% growth per year). That's sluggish growth, but it's growth. It grew because the private sector is good at finding a way. It was sluggish growth because of the added burden of big government (more taxes, Obamacare, huge growth in regulatory hassles, etc....). This has been the slowest post-recession recovery we've ever seen.

But that has meant that we haven't seen boom and bust in the stock market since 2008 too. Slow growth isn't all bad. The market has more than doubled in the last 8 years.
Rate of inflation is, 3% or so?
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Looks like he was right!



A lot of it was the certainty that Obama would no longer be in office.


Texans fan is also the same guy who told me that Delek US wouldn't make it through the oil slump. Well now they've bought ALON us refining and own 7 inland refineries.
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Rate of inflation is, 3% or so?
That's the approximate historical average, but it averaged 1.7% between 2009 and 2015.

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-infla...recast-3306093
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Texans fan is also the same guy who told me that Delek US wouldn't make it through the oil slump. Well now they've bought ALON us refining and own 7 inland refineries.
His speculation game is off a tad
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That's the approximate historical average, but it averaged 1.7% between 2009 and 2015.

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-infla...recast-3306093
The National Debt/Year chart really blows up in 2009.
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2009 GDP was $14.419 trillion
2015 GDP was $16.397 trillion

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

That's a total increase in GDP of 13.72% over those 7 years (about 2% growth per year). That's sluggish growth, but it's growth. It grew because the private sector is good at finding a way. It was sluggish growth because of the added burden of big government (more taxes, Obamacare, huge growth in regulatory hassles, etc....). This has been the slowest post-recession recovery we've ever seen.

But that has meant that we haven't seen boom and bust in the stock market since 2008 too. Slow growth isn't all bad. The market has more than doubled in the last 8 years.
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Rate of inflation is, 3% or so?
Oh, and the GDP numbers I quoted here were the Real GDP numbers (growth after taking out inflation). The Nominal GDP numbers that aren't adjusted for inflation show:

2009 GDP: $14.419 trillion
2015 GDP: $18.039 trillion (25.11% increase, or roughly 3.5% per year)
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The National Debt/Year chart really blows up in 2009.
Yep.
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I'm in a minority that thinks this has nothing to do with either . . . . outside momentary slides up and down.

company performance is what drives prices. To me this is an illustration of the ability for the American engine to produce regardless of what Richard Cranium is in the office.

America is making this happen . . . . we need a facilitator but nothing will stop American ingenuity and know how
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I'm in a minority that thinks this has nothing to do with either . . . . outside momentary slides up and down.

company performance is what drives prices. To me this is an illustration of the ability for the American engine to produce regardless of what Richard Cranium is in the office.

America is making this happen . . . . we need a facilitator but nothing will stop American ingenuity and know how
Exactly. Lots of people think the president controls and determines what happens in the economy and the stock market. In reality, there are many things that affect the economy and the markets. Politics is one thing, but not the only thing, that has an effect on the economy. And considering the effect that politics has, the president has less influence on the economy and the market than Congress does. The president usually gets all the credit or blame, but Congress is where more of the political effect comes from. That's where tax laws and spending bills come from. Granted, Obama has had more economic impact than most presidents, due to his famous pen and phone and all the regulatory roadblocks coming out of the various agencies under the control of the executive branch. But Congress still matters more than the president when it comes to economic matters.

But there are still several other factors at play - private sector management, supply and demand, technological innovations, worldwide competition, weather patterns, etc..... You're right about a company's profits determining what the company's value (stock price) is. Businesses don't close up shop when they don't like the President or the laws that Congress passes. They just adjust their plans to try to figure out how to grow their profits, even when the playing field isn't ideal. It's dang sure been less than ideal lately, but the private sector has been able to adapt and keep moving forward in spite of the mess in Washington. Growth has been slower than normal, due to the drag that Washington has been. But we've been growing.

It would sure be nice to see politics be less of a drag on everything. Hopefully the Republican Congress will get politics a little more out of the way, and hopefully Trump will go along with them rather than fighting against them the way Obama has.
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Texans fan is also the same guy who told me that Delek US wouldn't make it through the oil slump. Well now they've bought ALON us refining and own 7 inland refineries.
I lost on that one, HERO and LINE
lost big on the last two
never put money behind Delek

But I more than made up for it with BLOZF and SQNM
And in the interim I was day trading with USO and DNO
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I'm in a minority that thinks this has nothing to do with either . . . . outside momentary slides up and down.

company performance is what drives prices. To me this is an illustration of the ability for the American engine to produce regardless of what Richard Cranium is in the office.

America is making this happen . . . . we need a facilitator but nothing will stop American ingenuity and know how
I am so grateful you are right about this.
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I'm in a minority that thinks this has nothing to do with either . . . . outside momentary slides up and down.

company performance is what drives prices. To me this is an illustration of the ability for the American engine to produce regardless of what Richard Cranium is in the office.

America is making this happen . . . . we need a facilitator but nothing will stop American ingenuity and know how
Amen
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Texans fan is also the same guy who told me that Delek US wouldn't make it through the oil slump. Well now they've bought ALON us refining and own 7 inland refineries.
Most hit by oil slump is upstream related...exploration & drilling. Now that there has been a surplus of crude above surface level from all the drilling the refineries have to process it for downstream feed stock. Many downstream companies have invested serious capital with lower feedstock prices in the past 2 years...i.e. Dow Chem ethylene cracking processing
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You can thank the Fed for the inflated market. Companies can borrow money basically for free and buy their stock back. This drives share price up. Look at revenues, most are flat or under estimate. It's a house of Cards.
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these figures tell me the majority of the jump was after the election
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I'm in a minority that thinks this has nothing to do with either . . . . outside momentary slides up and down.

company performance is what drives prices. To me this is an illustration of the ability for the American engine to produce regardless of what Richard Cranium is in the office.

America is making this happen . . . . we need a facilitator but nothing will stop American ingenuity and know how
No you aren't, you are just informed. Morningstar has some really good info showing that it really does not matter who is prez, and only matters slightly who is in control of congress with regards to market performance
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Exactly. Lots of people think the president controls and determines what happens in the economy and the stock market. In reality, there are many things that affect the economy and the markets. Politics is one thing, but not the only thing, that has an effect on the economy. And considering the effect that politics has, the president has less influence on the economy and the market than Congress does. The president usually gets all the credit or blame, but Congress is where more of the political effect comes from. That's where tax laws and spending bills come from. Granted, Obama has had more economic impact than most presidents, due to his famous pen and phone and all the regulatory roadblocks coming out of the various agencies under the control of the executive branch. But Congress still matters more than the president when it comes to economic matters.

But there are still several other factors at play - private sector management, supply and demand, technological innovations, worldwide competition, weather patterns, etc..... You're right about a company's profits determining what the company's value (stock price) is. Businesses don't close up shop when they don't like the President or the laws that Congress passes. They just adjust their plans to try to figure out how to grow their profits, even when the playing field isn't ideal. It's dang sure been less than ideal lately, but the private sector has been able to adapt and keep moving forward in spite of the mess in Washington. Growth has been slower than normal, due to the drag that Washington has been. But we've been growing.

It would sure be nice to see politics be less of a drag on everything. Hopefully the Republican Congress will get politics a little more out of the way, and hopefully Trump will go along with them rather than fighting against them the way Obama has.

yup

as a better example my company 24 million with a 10% margin that I've seen evaporate from health care cost increases over the last few years. I laid off 10% of my force and went to a plan that provided a fraction of the care for a more manageable cost.

President is to blame for that

But I'm not going to let him shut down my company so I made a way.
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A different perspective........

From May 12, 2015 to Jan 4, 2017 the S&P is up only 6.7% or an average of ~ 4% annually. Nothing to get excited about.
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TBH has obama leg humpers?
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TBH has obama leg humpers?
Apparently one who thinks he helped the stock market & needed an atta boy on his way out??

My stocks did well too & even if they had quadrupled under his admin...I'm still celebrating that worthless jack wagon's departure in 2-3 weeks. Barf, good riddance!!!! Hope he fades into obscurity & is never mentioned again. Ever.
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yup

as a better example my company 24 million with a 10% margin that I've seen evaporate from health care cost increases over the last few years. I laid off 10% of my force and went to a plan that provided a fraction of the care for a more manageable cost.

President is to blame for that

But I'm not going to let him shut down my company so I made a way.
Exactly. Business people (good ones that survive) always figure out a way to make things work, even when the playing field they have to play on sucks.

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Obama's fault???

And I guess you voted for Hillary. I can assume that you didn't own a business in the last 8 years under this counterfeit prez that's in there until Jan. 20th. Check the numbers of those on food stamps now...the actual numbers. And check the real unemployment rate and the figures for the number of people out of the work force under this counterfeit prez. Oh and then there's obamacare...what a scam.
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Shall we revisit?
https://www.thebalance.com/national-...events-3306287
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Are you talking about the Obama that likes to bow to other leaders?

How is the solar panel thing working out for him?
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