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Old 12-08-2018, 09:34 PM   #51
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I need to just drive over there and look
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Old 12-08-2018, 09:43 PM   #52
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If anyone wants to meet over there for a pig killing feista in the spring, holler at me!

Unless..... the fish are biting, then I'm out!

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Old 12-08-2018, 09:46 PM   #53
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I need to just drive over there and look
Really kinda ironic how close You and white falcon are to sure a resource and don’t even use it. That’s how poorly managed it is imho. Even if it went to draw only there’s no reason it shouldn’t be a major producer of “deer” anyway. Although I would hate to see it go that way
We spend enough (way more than any state) to have these areas and they produce squat

5000+ acres of river bottom hardwoods and we kill 1...3....2 deer total a year. I can do better on 10 acres with zero funding
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Old 12-09-2018, 07:33 AM   #54
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Really kinda ironic how close You and white falcon are to sure a resource and don’t even use it. That’s how poorly managed it is imho. Even if it went to draw only there’s no reason it shouldn’t be a major producer of “deer” anyway. Although I would hate to see it go that way

We spend enough (way more than any state) to have these areas and they produce squat



5000+ acres of river bottom hardwoods and we kill 1...3....2 deer total a year. I can do better on 10 acres with zero funding

Prettiest white oak bottom I've never seen a deer in! But I've only been a few times and not in at least 10 years and that was after ducks. I'm not mad at ducks enough to do that anymore.


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Old 12-09-2018, 08:07 AM   #55
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Really kinda ironic how close You and white falcon are to sure a resource and don’t even use it. That’s how poorly managed it is imho. Even if it went to draw only there’s no reason it shouldn’t be a major producer of “deer” anyway. Although I would hate to see it go that way
We spend enough (way more than any state) to have these areas and they produce squat

5000+ acres of river bottom hardwoods and we kill 1...3....2 deer total a year. I can do better on 10 acres with zero funding
The biologist last year told me they have a deer per 22 acres. Sounds like there are deer there I've seen plenty in the woods. You just sound like you have a personal vendetta against that place.
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Old 12-09-2018, 09:24 AM   #56
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The biologist last year told me they have a deer per 22 acres. Sounds like there are deer there I've seen plenty in the woods. You just sound like you have a personal vendetta against that place.
Not to be all negative... but I kinda do.

It’s an amazing resource. That we pay to use(which I’m fine with, cost money to “upkeep”)... although other states charge less or none. You simply cannot cover or use a large portion due to access. When the mud boat ramp isn’t useable you have to use the state ramp off the highway that is not useable every time I’ve been there in past 3-4 years. Mostly due to trash dumpers and erosion. But could be should be fixed. Without access other than your feet you could get an elk off a mountain easier than a deer out of the woods before it ruined. The animal population is what it is. I have simple solutions that would make the refuge money and improve habitat 1000 x.... but I’m no “biologist “

Beautiful place, just too many unnecessary hoops to jump through for no benefit to anyone. Allow access like all other successful wma do and the experience would be better and spread the load out across the property
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Old 12-09-2018, 09:38 AM   #57
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Not all biologists are equal. Just like some MLD leases flourish, and some are terrible. I was on one in cass county, they wanted 40 doe and 15 bucks killed on 1100 acres. 5 deer per 100 acres. Crazy right? Crazy part was that more than half the members never saw a single deer from the stand. A total of maybe 6 or 7 deer were killed all year. Therefore I'm kind of skeptical of what some biologists say.

That being said, when I spoke with them at OSB they said that it's hard to keep a sustaining deer population because of flooding. I found that odd simply because everyone knows the sabine river bottom has some giants killed every year, just not at the WMA. I do believe improvements could be made.

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Old 12-09-2018, 09:49 AM   #58
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Not all biologists are equal. Just like some MLD leases flourish, and some are terrible. I was on one in cass county, they wanted 40 doe and 15 bucks killed on 1100 acres. 5 deer per 100 acres. Crazy right? Crazy part was that more than half the members never saw a single deer from the stand. A total of maybe 6 or 7 deer were killed all year. Therefore I'm kind of skeptical of what some biologists say.

That being said, when I spoke with them at OSB they said that it's hard to keep a sustaining deer population because of flooding. I found that odd simply because everyone knows the sabine river bottom has some giants killed every year, just not at the WMA. I do believe improvements could be made.

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This is all I’m trying to say ^^^ without being too much an @$$. Rivers flood.... this is about all I hunt is flooding rivers and they are deer Mecca’s. I videotaped deer swimming huge rivers the week after thanksgiving. They swim like fish. I killed a good 8 a few years ago on public land that swam a large body of water. The habitat is why the numbers are low. I won’t call them wrong but I’d have a hard time with believing those numbers on deer. Could be, but I don’t see it being half that
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Old 12-09-2018, 10:14 AM   #59
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If anyone wants to meet over there for a pig killing feista in the spring, holler at me!

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If river is high enough to unload I may try hunt pigs later in February as well as scout for upcoming year. Need to get boat in water to get to a few spots. Your more than welcome to join, as is anyone. I got a 20’ if water is up enough. If not I may try some “unconventional “ tactics. Lol
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Old 12-09-2018, 10:53 AM   #60
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If river is high enough to unload I may try hunt pigs later in February as well as scout for upcoming year. Need to get boat in water to get to a few spots. Your more than welcome to join, as is anyone. I got a 20’ if water is up enough. If not I may try some “unconventional “ tactics. Lol
I have a 14' that may be more suited for the task. But that river has to be up quite a bit to go anywhere.

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Old 12-09-2018, 11:06 AM   #61
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Really kinda ironic how close You and white falcon are to sure a resource and don’t even use it.


I have used it. Not a South TX. or West TX type of hunting. Hard place to hunt! AS far as deer go, there are more than you think. It is a place you have to put in the work to get the results. Lots of birds there also, ducks, rail, and wood cocks.
I know what is there as I have been running cameras on the North side of the river at Sharecroppers place. Won't show them all.
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Old 01-06-2019, 11:57 AM   #62
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Water up in pasture . . As white Falcon was walking up after hunt yesterday about 20 Canada geese got up and flew right over us . . Lots of ducks . .
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Old 01-06-2019, 01:43 PM   #63
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Water is way way up. Geese were in all over the place yesterday. I think even the Woodcocks left!
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Funny I had geese show up at our dairy today. 1804 still under water?
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:28 PM   #65
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Funny I had geese show up at our dairy today. 1804 still under water?
Yes . . Gonna be a few days . .
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Old 01-07-2019, 12:35 PM   #66
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Water up in pasture . . As white Falcon was walking up after hunt yesterday about 20 Canada geese got up and flew right over us . . Lots of ducks . .
I think those geese are residents, have seen them a couple times since October. I am not far as the goose flies from you
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Old 01-07-2019, 12:42 PM   #67
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I think those geese are residents, have seen them a couple times since October. I am not far as the goose flies from you
I had a pair that visited every year . . Must have been a hell of a hatch . . lol . .
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