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Old 12-24-2018, 04:42 PM   #1
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I've heard the pros and cons on leaving Syria.

- Trump said in February he was pulling troops by the end of the year.

- We only had 2000 advisors. No active defense or offensive forces.

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- Is Syria really ready for us to leave?
- Will Russia prop up Assad in Syria?
- Will there be a vacuum void for ISIS to get going again?

I'm trying to figure out is did Trump mess up royally?
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Old 12-24-2018, 04:54 PM   #2
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He is pulling all of the troops home in anticipation of H.R. 5087 passing to be able to enforce it.
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Old 12-24-2018, 05:32 PM   #3
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A few potential negatives with the US withdrawal...

1. Frees the Turks to go after the Kurds
2. Gives Russia and Iran a free hand at controlling the area. While Trump committed to withdrawing with the Turkish leader, you have to wonder if Russia had influenced Trump to pull out...(if Russia does have something on him, that may be a reason for his disregard of his advisors to remain).
3. ISIS is not gone and the Kurds will pullback to protect their homes from the Turks. ISIS could make a comeback and will influence more radical terrorism world wide.
4. Our allies now have more reason to not trust our resolve and commitment on
Common threats now and in the future.
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Old 12-24-2018, 06:05 PM   #4
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Mad dog says we are showing a lack of loyalty to our allies by leaving.
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Old 12-24-2018, 06:14 PM   #5
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Theyve been fighting each other for a couple thousand years. Whether we are in there or not will make no difference. Get rid of a tyranical government and another will take its place. Bring our boys home.
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Old 12-24-2018, 07:44 PM   #6
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A few potential negatives with the US withdrawal...



1. Frees the Turks to go after the Kurds

2. Gives Russia and Iran a free hand at controlling the area. While Trump committed to withdrawing with the Turkish leader, you have to wonder if Russia had influenced Trump to pull out...(if Russia does have something on him, that may be a reason for his disregard of his advisors to remain).

3. ISIS is not gone and the Kurds will pullback to protect their homes from the Turks. ISIS could make a comeback and will influence more radical terrorism world wide.

4. Our allies now have more reason to not trust our resolve and commitment on

Common threats now and in the future.
Highly likely actually. I doubt it will take long for Iran to fill the void. Probably wont take much longer for the Kurds to be wiped out. ISIS will be back on the move within 3 years.........I guess the war shall continue for our current military and the kids in elementary today. Gonna be interesting to watch the geopolitical chess moves.

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Old 12-24-2018, 08:31 PM   #7
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Mad dog says we are showing a lack of loyalty to our allies by leaving.
This is one decision by Trump that has me leaning towards ....stupid move.
And if the man who knows war quit because of it, it must be a bad move.
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Old 12-24-2018, 11:16 PM   #8
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Mad dog says we are showing a lack of loyalty to our allies by leaving.
They probably would've liked a phone call instead of finding out from twitter.

I feel worst for the Kurds. Turkey wants to wipe them out, and the only thing that's keeping them from going all out is that we have troops embedded with the Kurds, and Turkey doesn't want to poke the bear by killing our guys.

And once the Syrian Kurds lose support from the Turkish Kurds and US air power, they'll probably get smashed by the Russians/Syrians.

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Old 12-25-2018, 01:15 AM   #9
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funny no one has mentioned the lack of support by or military staff.
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Old 12-25-2018, 02:00 AM   #10
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The last time we were going to pull out Assad supposedly used chemical weapons.
It was a puzzling event as to why he would do that when we were about to leave.

My point is most things are not actually what we here. Who knows what’s going on behind the scenes.
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Old 12-25-2018, 08:21 AM   #11
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Ok so I was wondering if there was something I didn't know but after reading these comments I'm thinking, "Trump! You bone head!"
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Old 12-25-2018, 09:10 AM   #12
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I gave up trying to figure this stuff out.

All I know is Trump should have held a conference saying he wants to increase the number of troops in Syria. Demand and insist they are needed. And at the same time be pulling them all out. We all know the liberals would have screaming bloody murder that he is wrong and we shouldn't have any troops there.
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Old 12-25-2018, 09:30 AM   #13
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The thing about Russia taking on ISIS is they don't adhere to the same rules of engagement American forces are subject to. Russia don't give a hoot what anybody thinks about blowing up a bunch of sadistic animals like ISIS or whoever is hiding them. I'm all for getting out of the area and gathering our stuff up for the next big one. Sooner or later we gonna have to do something with Iran and we can't be spread too thin when that happens. No other country wants Iranians to have nukes especially Russia.
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Old 12-25-2018, 09:31 AM   #14
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I gave up trying to figure this stuff out.

All I know is Trump should have held a conference saying he wants to increase the number of troops in Syria. Demand and insist they are needed. And at the same time be pulling them all out. We all know the liberals would have screaming bloody murder that he is wrong and we shouldn't have any troops there.
Now you are starting to think like Trump
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Old 12-27-2018, 12:17 PM   #15
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From what I understand, could be wrong, is only ground forces are coming home. Still have our other forces in the area, and if need be ground troops can be there in a heartbeat.
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Old 12-27-2018, 01:34 PM   #16
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I don't know if this is good or bad at this point. The ME is full of unforeseeable consequences. We should have never gotten involved over there outside of highly specific strikes and intelligence. There has to be a point where we pull out and just deal with what happens next, because otherwise we will have troops and resources there until the end of time. I'm just not sure right now is that point.
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Old 12-27-2018, 01:39 PM   #17
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.(if Russia does have something on him, that may be a reason for his disregard of his advisors to remain).

Really,?!!!!, WTH is wrong with you.
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Old 12-28-2018, 12:30 AM   #18
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I don't know if this is good or bad at this point. The ME is full of unforeseeable consequences. We should have never gotten involved over there outside of highly specific strikes and intelligence. There has to be a point where we pull out and just deal with what happens next, because otherwise we will have troops and resources there until the end of time. I'm just not sure right now is that point.
I agree. If we'd just stuck to the mission in Afghanistan, I think the ME would be a lot less F'd up right now.
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Old 12-28-2018, 03:04 AM   #19
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I gave up trying to figure this stuff out.

All I know is Trump should have held a conference saying he wants to increase the number of troops in Syria. Demand and insist they are needed. And at the same time be pulling them all out. We all know the liberals would have screaming bloody murder that he is wrong and we shouldn't have any troops there.
Exactly!!!!! He is ****ed if he does and ****ed if he doesn't and he knows this...
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Old 12-28-2018, 10:45 AM   #20
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Mad dog says we are showing a lack of loyalty to our allies by leaving.
By allies does he mean Raytheon?? We are there to advise in the fight against ISIS, as long as Assad is there they can worry about their own country.
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