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Old 10-11-2021, 09:42 PM   #1
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Old 10-11-2021, 09:47 PM   #2
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Old 10-11-2021, 09:49 PM   #3
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Never have been a fan, always felt like his on the field and in front of the camera antics were forced.
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Hell, he should be proud of those emails…….and I bet he is
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Never have been a fan, always felt like his on the field and in front of the camera antics were forced.
U got that right!!! Once the LBBTQ and women statements were revealed he was toast. 7 years of emails.......wow, just pitiful!

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I bet 95% of players and coaches could come under fire for similar reasons. Guess it sucks to be Jon Gruden right now.
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:26 PM   #8
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I bet 95% of players and coaches could come under fire for similar reasons. Guess it sucks to be Jon Gruden right now.
You forgot to mention
Owners, managers, team Dr’s, media personalities, fireman, police officers, hockey players, athletes in general, men in general, politicians and who ever it was that leaked these emails.
Men saying mean things……..Oh the humanity
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:29 PM   #9
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If my work found those types of emails in my sent box I'd expect to be sent packing. I haven't seen the majority, but from what I've read looks like he earned this one.

People seem to forget the NFL is a business.
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:38 PM   #10
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You forgot to mention
Owners, managers, team Dr’s, media personalities, fireman, police officers, hockey players, athletes in general, men in general, politicians and who ever it was that leaked these emails.
Men saying mean things……..Oh the humanity
exactly
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:40 PM   #11
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Woke America. He’s one of my favorite coaches.
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:40 PM   #12
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Yeah he’s done
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Old 10-11-2021, 10:52 PM   #13
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So what was said in those emails? Jake, what exactly did you not like that he said or was in those emails.

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Old 10-11-2021, 11:13 PM   #14
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So what was said in those emails? Jake, what exactly did you not like that he said or was in those emails.

Me?? I haven’t read any emails or seen any of the reports on them. I just was watching the game and they said he had been fired for racist, sexist, and anti gay language in his emails over a period of time. Like I said earlier, I never liked his GRRR presence about every single little thing as a coach or as a tv commentator.
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Old 10-11-2021, 11:27 PM   #15
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Yet any of those groups can talk about a straight successful ….. man with no repercussions. Oh well, he’s still all the above and rich. He will be just fine and they will still be whining about their lot in life.
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Old 10-12-2021, 12:56 AM   #16
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Yeah that's pretty American. Censoring someone and ruining their career just because you don't like their views. But you can be a homo and prance around in women's clothing and everyone is supposed to accept you for who you are. Yeah right, get real. He can't say anything to offend someone yet people can still kneel for the National Anthem and offend just as many people and they still have a job? What a joke.
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Yeah that's pretty American. Censoring someone and ruining their career just because you don't like their views. But you can be a homo and prance around in women's clothing and everyone is supposed to accept you for who you are. Yeah right, get real. He can't say anything to offend someone yet people can still kneel for the National Anthem and offend just as many people and they still have a job? What a joke.
x10 .
Would love to see the NFL go bankrupt and fold altogether.
Pitiful organization.
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Old 10-12-2021, 06:45 AM   #18
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John was at ESPN at the time this took place. Who was the coach at the Redskins at that time? Wasn't it his brother?
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Old 10-12-2021, 06:46 AM   #19
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It’s steadily getting worse n worse, so much for freedom of speech nowadays.
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Old 10-12-2021, 06:54 AM   #20
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My understanding it there was 7 years of emails that this type of behavior was being tolerated by someone, so what about the people who was witness to this the whole time.......did no one attempt to correct him? I thinks some email where between him and NFL owners...a lot of the responsibility is on their hands.
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Old 10-12-2021, 07:11 AM   #21
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https://www.tigerdroppings.com/nfl/w...game/98900108/

And meanwhile.... at the Eagles game
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The NFL was releasing the emails so it seems the NFL was after him. Now that hes gone probably won't release more.
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Old 10-12-2021, 07:15 AM   #23
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He should have been fined 10 dollars. Unbelievable private normal locker room bs emails can destroy someone, I always found him amusing And figured he had his own way for motivating Players, which is his job
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Old 10-12-2021, 07:24 AM   #24
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NFL says he doesn't meet their standards, but NFL allows criminals and druggies in the NFL. Makes sense to me.
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Old 10-12-2021, 07:29 AM   #25
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John has 3 things going against him. He is a successful white male.
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Old 10-12-2021, 07:30 AM   #26
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He called Goodell a mean name. That's probably what got the ball rolling.
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He should just refer his behavior as “art” like Dave Chapell does and it’s ok then.
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Old 10-12-2021, 07:43 AM   #28
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people in this country today get out of bed trying to think of something to be offended by!! to thin skinned
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Okay, serious question. From the New York Post:

"Gruden’s homophobic language included calling NFL commissioner Roger Goodell a “fa—t” who should not have pressured then-Rams coach Jeff Fisher into drafting “queers,” according to the report. The Rams made openly gay Michael Sam a seventh-round draft pick in 2014."

So, did Goodell pressure the Rams to draft Michael Sam? Because if the commissioner is forcing teams to draft people based on demographics, who else has Goodell pressured to be drafted? Are teams forced to skip good players so that other teams can have them? Did Goodell set it up so Brady would get a Superbowl with TB last year?
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Old 10-12-2021, 08:29 AM   #30
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He called Goodell a mean name. That's probably what got the ball rolling.
Awwwww, that poor little Silver spoon licking, thug loving, pansie.


John don't hold to much back.
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Old 10-12-2021, 08:31 AM   #31
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He called Goodell a mean name. That's probably what got the ball rolling.
^^^^ This right here. The emails were between Chuckie and the Raiders owner so clearly he wasn't gonna get fired for his beliefs. Whoever leaked it to the New York times should be outed as well.

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Old 10-12-2021, 08:44 AM   #32
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Is it any sort of crime to leak emails?
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Unbelievable.

I support Gruden in this.

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Old 10-12-2021, 08:51 AM   #34
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^ Same
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Old 10-12-2021, 08:51 AM   #35
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I think some of you guys are missing what I think is probably the main reason he's gone. Being a coach in the NFL or any professional sport is about winning.
As the head coach with 53 players plus the entire coaching staff under his command, he needs credibility with all of them to move the team in the right direction towards winning. If more than a couple key guys lose faith in the head coach it's easy for that to snowball and destroy the team.

By my count there are about 34 black players on the team. All it takes is a couple of them to say F Gruden, I'm not sacrificing my body for a racist. Public perception is one thing, but as a head coach you can not lose the players, that is the most important thing. If Gruden had more skins on the wall like Belichick or Andy Reed, maybe it would be different, but the Raiders have been trash since Gruden came back. So it doesn't seem like a big loss to the team to send him packing.
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Is it any sort of crime to leak emails?
Not if you don't want him to coach your team. He was set-up.
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Old 10-12-2021, 08:58 AM   #37
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The lessons to be learned.

Say racist things about black folks and all will be forgiven.

The minute you say something homophobic your life crashes around you.
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NFL says he doesn't meet their standards, but NFL allows criminals and druggies in the NFL. Makes sense to me.
Right? What's the latest on Deshaun Watson? I guess his story doesn't fit the narrative
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Gruden for president!
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:07 AM   #40
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The lessons to be learned.

Say racist things about black folks and all will be forgiven.

The minute you say something homophobic your life crashes around you.
I don't know about that one. The only class of people that get talked about and no repurcussions is white folk. Didn't you hear, white folk are the scum of the earth.
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He was mostly correct in what he said about Goodell.
That one drove a nail in his coffin.
Goodell is a POS x 10 and most will agree.
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:16 AM   #42
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I can't find anything about the racist stuff? Anyone have a link?


The NFL is a joke.
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Is it any sort of crime to leak emails?
If you hacked into a computer system without a warrant and stole something that was not sent, likely yes.

Otherwise, probably not.

It is just like you can make a recording or video of any interaction that you were involved with. You need consent from no one as long as you’re part of the conversation. Unless you have some secret clearance such as members of the military which have specific laws that make things illegal to divulge, you can share as you wish.
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:16 AM   #44
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The NFL bends over backwards to turn a blind eye to acts of physical violence committed by players, but a coach says some means things a long time ago and he has to go.
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he was railroaded out
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I hope they hire a drag queen to take his place.
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^^^^ This right here. The emails were between Chuckie and the Raiders owner so clearly he wasn't gonna get fired for his beliefs. Whoever leaked it to the New York times should be outed as well.

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The emails weren’t leaked and they weren’t to the Raiders owner.

The emails were to Washington former team president Bruce Allen. They were uncovered during the workplace misconduct investigation of Allen.

All that being said, Gruden wasn’t employed by a team or the NFL during the time of these emails. The fact he got fired or “resigned” from his head coaching job over it is stupid.

Now the Raiders haven’t been great under Gruden so it’s possible Davis just used this as leverage to get out from under Gruden’s 10 year $100M contract. Still a chicken s—t move in my opinion.

As far as the locker room goes, most of what Gruden is in trouble for in locker room talk. I highly doubt the players were going to turn on him over this. If he had lost the locker room over this though, Davis still would have had this as leverage to fire him once that occurred.


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I think yall should read more about where the emails came from. They were found during an investigation into Washington's organization. They were between Gruden and the gm of the skins. The GM of the skins was.stupod.enough to use his work email for the conversations, so it is officially property of the org.

They were not leaked. They were seized as evidence and turned over to the league. Washington got fined 10M$ for.having a bad environment and Snyder the owner cannot be involved in team activities.for an undisclosed amount of time.

I am not defending Gruden or the ones who came after him when the emails were found, but the league cannot receive this information and do nothing with it. It will cut the legs right off for their whole "inclusion, equality and acceptance" drive they are promoting now.

I am.totally sure that Gruden's attorneys and the Raiders legal team will reach a mutually beneficial agreement as far as.compensation goes, and by week 10 this wont even be a talking point
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I can't find anything about the racist stuff? Anyone have a link?


The NFL is a joke.

He referred to DeMaurice Smith (NFLPA executive director)

He said “Dumboriss Smith has lips the size of Michelin tires”

Which tried to clarify Friday as that was not a “racial trope”. He said he refers to liars as rubber lipped and it was an exaggeration of how much of a liar he thinks Smith is.


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The emails weren’t leaked and they weren’t to the Raiders owner.

The emails were to Washington former team president Bruce Allen. They were uncovered during the workplace misconduct investigation of Allen.

All that being said, Gruden wasn’t employed by a team or the NFL during the time of these emails. The fact he got fired or “resigned” from his head coaching job over it is stupid.

Now the Raiders haven’t been great under Gruden so it’s possible Davis just used this as leverage to get out from under Gruden’s 10 year $100M contract. Still a chicken s—t move in my opinion.

As far as the locker room goes, most of what Gruden is in trouble for in locker room talk. I highly doubt the players were going to turn on him over this. If he had lost the locker room over this though, Davis still would have had this as leverage to fire him once that occurred.


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