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Old 10-12-2021, 10:47 AM   #1
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Pricing the two and the weld up buildings seem to be significantly cheaper. I used to be a welder but looking at the offset of time to put one together. If I turn key it to a contractor, am I going to blow the money saved on labor if I go that route? 40x60x16 with 15ft awnings running the 60 ft lengths of the building.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:56 AM   #2
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Pricing the two and the weld up buildings seem to be significantly cheaper. I used to be a welder but looking at the offset of time to put one together. If I turn key it to a contractor, am I going to blow the money saved on labor if I go that route? 40x60x16 with 15ft awnings running the 60 ft lengths of the building.
Torqued steel connections are supposed to be as strong as welds.......well, thats what structural engineers have told me anyway. Less babysitting.
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My mom's 3rd ex-husband erects buildings. He did our barndo shell.

When he started, 20+ years ago, he welded everything.
Now he will only use bolt up kits.

He says there is no difference, if they're put together right, and it's cheaper to put together the bolt up, even though the kit may cost a little more. He says, in the end, the bolt up are slightly cheaper when you factor materials and labor.
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Only difference in the two is bolt up cost more.
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My mom's 3rd ex-husband erects buildings. He did our barndo shell.

When he started, 20+ years ago, he welded everything.
Now he will only use bolt up kits.

He says there is no difference, if they're put together right, and it's cheaper to put together the bolt up, even though the kit may cost a little more. He says, in the end, the bolt up are slightly cheaper when you factor materials and labor.
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Old 10-12-2021, 02:04 PM   #6
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Last I heard the bolt up kits were months and months back ordered. May check that before deciding between the two
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Weld up can be purchased Ag exempt, bolt up cannot.
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bolt ups are a couple months out, if you go weld up make sure you see ho wits built. There are a lot of short cut lesser weld up buildings and after last February a lot of these short cuts came to light.

An engineered bolt up may be a little more up front, but if your welder isnt good, he can eat you alive in labor.
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Using torque indicating washers and calibrated tools may be an option. Welding quality is always suspect. And, weld areas are subject to rust.
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Old 10-12-2021, 02:46 PM   #10
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We did a Mueller 40x80 bolt up a few years ago. Back then the weld up would of saved us $5-$6K all in from what I recall. My pops got sucked into the "engineered warranty" so went with the bolt up.

I've seen a few barndo builders doing hybrids. Main beams are bolt up and the rest is welded. I'm guessing b/c the bolt up beams are engineered?

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Old 10-12-2021, 03:39 PM   #11
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There are 3 going up at the lake. 2 bolt ups and a weld. The bolt ups are ahead and started after the other

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Old 10-12-2021, 03:42 PM   #12
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you may not have a choice depending on the location... It might need to be engineered bolt up...
Having said that weld up is the way I went, cheaper and i dunno if its my preference of a solid weld vs some overtightened bolt
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Mine is weld up. It's been through several hurricanes in the past few years. If it's a barndo I'd want weld up you will lose floor space because of the main support post on a bolt up..

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I went with weld up due to what we are using it for, much cleaner look inside and local guy was much cheaper than the bolt up guys. 60x90 with 15 ft porches all around and took less than 2 weeks to build.

www.bellavitafarmstx.com is our bldg. Weld up was much easier for me to finish out interior the way we planned it being built. I would be scared to think how much it would be to build today......steel all came from J and I in Madill. Signs on it are from Hometown metal works on here.
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Old 10-12-2021, 04:27 PM   #15
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City code here mandates a bolt up...
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Weld up can be purchased Ag exempt, bolt up cannot.

No kidding? Good to know. I was planning bolt up and doing it myself, but if I can get weld up cheaper and tax exempt, it might be worth hiring someone to weld it up for me.


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No kidding? Good to know. I was planning bolt up and doing it myself, but if I can get weld up cheaper and tax exempt, it might be worth hiring someone to weld it up for me.


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I'm not really convinced why both a weld up and a bolt up would not be tax exempt as long as neither is being used as a residence.
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:01 PM   #18
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WELD UP! Hopefully you will not hear the noise of the bolt-up metal.
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:28 PM   #19
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we used to do all muellers buildings for the FWSSR and i hated bolt ups. TO me they are a pain to square and plum up to start tightening it up and i would take weld up if i had to pick. Have to fab it up but if i do my job right its alread where its supposed to be for the most part but heck i havent worked on them in years so what do i know
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:33 PM   #21
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Weld up. Bolt ones are convenient but 9/10 the holes won’t line up right or some random problem will pop up and the builders just gonna have to find a way to make it work. A good builder can weld together a building just as strong and fast. I help my dad who does it for a living and have messed with both multiple times this year. If it was me or him we would weld one up for ourselves.
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I have only built 4 but Iím weld up all the way.
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Weld up can be purchased Ag exempt, bolt up cannot.
Neither one is ag exempt unless you are from a county that doesn't know any better.
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City code here mandates a bolt up...
Most city codes will let you do either but the weld up has to be welded by a certified structural weldor.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:51 PM   #25
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You can save money with the weld up if your length runs in 25' increments. Your 60' building will have the same # of rafters as a 75' building has. That means the welding labor will be exactly the same for your 60' as it would be for a 75' long building. You would just be using 25' purlins instead of the 20' purlins in your building.

It's also better to go with a 20' over hang roof as every thing you park under a 15' roof will stick out. Also cutting 5' of material off all your rafters will make you cry.

If you are planning to frame up any walls inside then the weld up will make that a lot easier to do as the columns don't stick out into the building as far.
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I'll be in the market soon for one as well - this is all great info guys. Thanks!
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Old 10-12-2021, 11:59 PM   #27
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Weld up. Bolt ones are convenient but 9/10 the holes wonít line up right or some random problem will pop up and the builders just gonna have to find a way to make it work. A good builder can weld together a building just as strong and fast. I help my dad who does it for a living and have messed with both multiple times this year. If it was me or him we would weld one up for ourselves.

This may be the case for some, but definitely not mine. Ordered a 30x40 from Mueller and built it myself. Everything lined up for the most part, exceptions being a couple holes I used a Spud wrench on. Myself and one guy built it, frame, walls and roof in 3 1/2 days. Pretty simple if you follow plans.
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You can save money with the weld up if your length runs in 25' increments. Your 60' building will have the same # of rafters as a 75' building has. That means the welding labor will be exactly the same for your 60' as it would be for a 75' long building. You would just be using 25' purlins instead of the 20' purlins in your building.

It's also better to go with a 20' over hang roof as every thing you park under a 15' roof will stick out. Also cutting 5' of material off all your rafters will make you cry.

If you are planning to frame up any walls inside then the weld up will make that a lot easier to do as the columns don't stick out into the building as far.
Makes perfect sense. Thank you sir
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Old 10-13-2021, 02:38 PM   #29
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I'll take welds over bolts any day, just in general. Be sharp if you have it welded; I've seen some metal buildings that look like they were welded by chimpanzees.
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I did weld up for my barn at the house but have utilized bolt up on several job sites. Both are fine in my opinion.
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I'll take welds over bolts any day, just in general. Be sharp if you have it welded; I've seen some metal buildings that look like they were welded by chimpanzees.
This is why at the time I bought a bolt up because I didnít know of a reputable welder I could trust. I know it could go the same way with a bolt up if you donít watch it.m
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Weld up. Bolt ones are convenient but 9/10 the holes wonít line up right or some random problem will pop up and the builders just gonna have to find a way to make it work. A good builder can weld together a building just as strong and fast. I help my dad who does it for a living and have messed with both multiple times this year. If it was me or him we would weld one up for ourselves.
This isnít the case with two bolt ups I have purchased from my experiences.
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Old 10-13-2021, 02:54 PM   #33
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i keep hearing lead times on weld ups are way way shorter
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Bolt up kit cost more but labor on weld up will be higher. Normally bolt up overall is cheaper.


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I have welded for years….and I went with a bolt up. Tired of welding….don’t need any more practice
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I hope to have a 30x40 shop built in the 6 months or so. This has been a good discussion. Hey Bob(Draco)...whatch a gonna be doing in February or March ?
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Watching some body else build your building.

You need to stop by and check the house out. I'd like your opinion on a couple things.
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I don't think bolt up are faster when you consider the fab time on the bolt up. I would bet if you start the clock when you make the deposit the weld up would be ericted as soon if not faster. To me if you have a big span I would go with the bolt up for the engineering. For your typical 30 or 40 foot wide I would weld it. I have a 50x75 Mueller and there were several things that were not exactly right when the red iron went together.
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Watching some body else build your building.

You need to stop by and check the house out. I'd like your opinion on a couple things.
You gonna be home this weekend? I'll probably go up to the property to check the water tote.
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If you are personally going to do it then buy a bolt up. If youíre gonna hire it out then use a weld up. I could talk about this until your ears fall off. Iíve put up hundreds of buildings.


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if you are building it yourself and know how to weld, that is the way to go in my opinion. i have built 3 over the last 12 years (50x30, and 2- 30x40s) by myself and it wasn't very hard. The hardest part to me was screwing all the panels on... burnt up 4 or 5 impact drills and my hand was sore for 2 months after i finished!
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what is a ballpark cost of a 60x40 with awnings like the OP mentioned?
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I went with weld up due to what we are using it for, much cleaner look inside and local guy was much cheaper than the bolt up guys. 60x90 with 15 ft porches all around and took less than 2 weeks to build.

www.bellavitafarmstx.com is our bldg. Weld up was much easier for me to finish out interior the way we planned it being built. I would be scared to think how much it would be to build today......steel all came from J and I in Madill. Signs on it are from Hometown metal works on here.

Whoíd you use to erect?
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I do metal buildings for a living. The only time I'd do a bolt up building for myself is if it'd be a really big building. Like somebody mentioned bolt ups are very hard to get squared,everything straight etc. A good welder will usually put up a better built building than a bolt up.

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Question for the pro's. Iff'n I buy a bolt up kit for a 30x40. When I am lining up the beams and for "whatever" reason the holes don't line up, can I weld those beams together? I would think I could, but never built a shop before.
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Glad I found this thread. I'm going to be in the market for a new shop soon. Thinking 30x40 or maybe bigger (30x50, 40x40, 40x50). I've gotten a couple quotes and the Mueller bolt up building cost more for just the metal than the entire welded building turn key including slab!

I'm still considering doing it myself as well. I can weld, and have all ther necessary tools, would just need somebody to do thr dirt work and slab for me, as I'm not a foundation guy at all. I'm thinking 6" I beam for the columns and roof structure, a bunch of perlins and a 26ga skin. Then have it spray foam insulated and add a mini- split AC.

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Glad I found this thread. I'm going to be in the market for a new shop soon. Thinking 30x40 or maybe bigger (30x50, 40x40, 40x50). I've gotten a couple quotes and the Mueller bolt up building cost more for just the metal than the entire welded building turn key including slab!

I'm still considering doing it myself as well. I can weld, and have all ther necessary tools, would just need somebody to do thr dirt work and slab for me, as I'm not a foundation guy at all. I'm thinking 6" I beam for the columns and roof structure, a bunch of perlins and a 26ga skin. Then have it spray foam insulated and add a mini- split AC.

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Your comments show why yo should go with a bolt up unless you know someone in the business. You're thinking 6" but you would be wrong, way, way wrong. 30' span would take a 12"x 19# beam for the center support. If you decide to go weld up then PM me and I'll give you my # and I'll walk you through what ever you need so you get a quality building.
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Question for the pro's. Iff'n I buy a bolt up kit for a 30x40. When I am lining up the beams and for "whatever" reason the holes don't line up, can I weld those beams together? I would think I could, but never built a shop before.
The holes will line up fine and if they don't then it won't be by much and you can trim it with a torch. I found very few that didn't line up in 40 years of building them.
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Your comments show why yo should go with a bolt up unless you know someone in the business. You're thinking 6" but you would be wrong, way, way wrong. 30' span would take a 12"x 19# beam for the center support. If you decide to go weld up then PM me and I'll give you my # and I'll walk you through what ever you need so you get a quality building.
Hey I appreciate it! That's one area where I was unsure, and would have definitely consulted with more knowledgeable folks on sizes of material before starting, that was just a swag, and obviously way off. My actual plan was to go to the local steel supplier and tell them what I'm building and go off their suggestions.

Again, the bolt up building quoted was going to cost more for JUST THE METAL, no flat work, no erection, just material, than I was quoted for a turn key building including all flat work!

It should be a very simple, rectangular building with a roll up door on each end and a 36" man door on one end. I'm needing to get all my gun shop machinery into one building and organized better with space for storage.

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