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Old 06-16-2022, 11:04 AM   #1
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It's being reported that 10,000 cattle in Kansas have died due to the suspected heat wave.

Are the cattle to our north really more susceptible to 100 degree heat vs here??
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:29 AM   #2
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They shouldn't be but we have men saying they are women. So who knows.
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:31 AM   #3
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It's being reported that 10,000 cattle in Kansas have died due to the suspected heat wave.

Are the cattle to our north really more susceptible to 100 degree heat vs here??
I've been to Kansas several times during the summer months, and it gets just as hot there as it does here.
Not like Kansas cows have never been in 100+ degree heat.
Not sure how hot it is in Kansas right now, but it must be cooking if it's more than a cow can take.
Possibly they shipped them in to a feed lot from further up North and it shocked em...?
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It’s basically the feed lots, jaming to many cattle in a confined area with no ventilation
They need space and air movement to cool down in 100* heat

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Old 06-16-2022, 11:49 AM   #5
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Long hair or black angus suffer heat more than a white brahma. the rancher suffers when be sells the long ears at the sale, its a vicious cycle
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:51 AM   #6
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They are trying to process at max capacity in the feed lots, but cattle can't cool off enough when packed into tight feedlots at 105 degrees.
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Long hair or black angus suffer heat more than a white brahma. the rancher suffers when be sells the long ears at the sale, its a vicious cycle
Black baldy seem to catch the $ over other cross’s ?
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Old 06-16-2022, 12:17 PM   #8
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Here is an explanation of things from a vet that works with the feedyards in SW KS.

We had a natural disaster in Southwest Kansas on June 11th, 2022 and in the days that followed that greatly affected cattle being fed for slaughter. It wasn’t a tornado or a flood or government conspiracy to dismantle our food supply. There’s no mysterious disease or theory, we know exactly what happened.

It’s called a heat index crisis. Prior to this day, our average high temperatures were very mild, the night temperatures were very cool, the wind was normal and we were receiving rain showers that we so desperately needed!

On June 11th, temperatures rose, humidity was high, and wind speed nearly ceased. This is an emergency for cattle. Cattle can not compensate for this type of weather event if they do not get a period of night cooling. For several days this continued. Our people did everything in their power to save as many animals as they could. Our people are amazing and tired and weary. We lost a lot of cattle and we are physically affected by each loss because we know first hand the resources and expertise that goes into raising safe, wholesome and delicious beef for our consumers.

This weather event geographically centered in Haskell County and Grant County Kansas. This is cattle feeding country. We are typically subject to a climate that is superior for raising cattle for slaughter.

There’s a video making rounds with misinformation and I’d like to take the time to connect with you as a feedlot veterinarian from Southwest Kansas, a consumer of the same beef you feed your families, and a person passionately working in production agriculture. If you have concerns or questions, I am happy to connect. I don’t have a video to go viral with because what happened is not entertaining to me, it’s my livelihood and it hurts to see my people dealing with so much loss.

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Old 06-16-2022, 12:20 PM   #9
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Long hair or black angus suffer heat more than a white brahma. the rancher suffers when be sells the long ears at the sale, its a vicious cycle

This is the vid going around...brangus??

Kinda crazy story...some farmers think it was poison / bad feed?? Lotta steaks!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/001mellie...98103530545157
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I think they were packing them into feed lots with no shade or precautions to those temps. Cattle down here or in pastures can usually find shade or go take a dip in the water. Sad deal tho bc they are tough animals.
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Old 06-16-2022, 12:50 PM   #11
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The humidity in Kansas is probably worse than Texas.
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Old 06-16-2022, 12:57 PM   #12
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It’s basically the feed lots, jaming to many cattle in a confined area with no ventilation
They need space and air movement to cool down in 100* heat

If I had to guess, I'd say this is what's happening, too.
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Old 06-16-2022, 01:40 PM   #13
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Fat, black Angus cattle in poor conditions.

The feedlot will be taking their losses out of our checks the next couple of weeks.

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Old 06-16-2022, 01:59 PM   #14
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The humidity in Kansas is probably worse than Texas.

Are you serious?
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Old 06-16-2022, 02:38 PM   #16
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Are you serious?
Yup. Dead serious
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Old 06-16-2022, 02:48 PM   #17
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The humidity in Kansas is probably worse than Texas.
It is in Arkansas.
My wife is from Arkansas, and when her family would visit they would say how nice it was in Texas because of the low humidity, I didn’t believe them until we visited one Fourth of July.
It was horrible.
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Old 06-16-2022, 02:50 PM   #18
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It is in Arkansas.
My wife is from Arkansas, and when her family would visit they would say how nice it was in Texas because of the low humidity, I didn’t believe them until we visited one Fourth of July.
It was horrible.
Correct. Kansas City is like Vietnam.
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Old 06-16-2022, 02:58 PM   #19
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The humidity in Kansas is probably worse than Texas.
LMAO!

currently 24% in Ulysses Kansas and 42% in Houston....
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Old 06-16-2022, 03:02 PM   #20
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https://www.weathercentral.com/weather/us/maps/humidity
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Old 06-16-2022, 03:06 PM   #21
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The humidity in Kansas is probably worse than Texas.
Texas is an awful big place to be making generalizations about.
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Old 06-16-2022, 03:08 PM   #22
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LMAO!

currently 24% in Ulysses Kansas and 42% in Houston....
Kansas City Humidity 55%. Houston 42%. LMAO!
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Correct. Kansas City is like Vietnam.
Kansas City's average humidity is 68% with highest humidity being in winter months. That's nothing to scoff at, but Houston's average is 75% with higher humidity being in summer months.
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Texas is an awful big place to be making generalizations about.
This.

Insurance help pay for those dead cows ?
Serious question.
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Old 06-16-2022, 03:14 PM   #25
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Texas is an awful big place to be making generalizations about.
Hence “probably”.
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Old 06-16-2022, 03:16 PM   #26
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So we're all familiar with "weather" right, and how it will change occaisionally???

Did we all read the explanation from that vet that they had unseasonably high humidity for several days????

This aint that hard...
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Old 06-16-2022, 03:19 PM   #27
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So we're all familiar with "weather" right, and how it will change occaisionally???

Did we all read the explanation from that vet that they had unseasonably high humidity for several days????

This aint that hard...
Agreed…
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Kansas City Humidity 55%. Houston 42%. LMAO!

What part of Kansas?

What I looked up is dead in the center of one of the most effected counties….
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What part of Kansas?

What I looked up is dead in the center of one of the most effected counties….
I should have said, the humidity “can” get just as high as Texas. Right now KC is more humid than Houston. Weather changes daily, sometimes by the minute.

I won’t let the vet and the weather get in the way of conspiracy fun.
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From BEEF magazine.

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Comments on the viral video post point to the rows of dead cattle as suspicious. When, in actuality, it’s typical procedure for a feed yard when disposing of dead stock.

There has to be an accounting for every head that leaves the yard, whether on a truck to the processing plant or on the truck to the rendering plant. This is a business.

Theurer says typically feed yards will go through and remove dead cattle from pens and place them in areas where they can be accessed by the rendering truck. Cattle may be sent to rendering plants or to landfills if permitted, or to compost sites—all of which are properly documented and determined in advance of any need.

In a large event like this, veterinarians will have to do necropsies to determine likely cause of death, Theurer says, for insurance and indemnity program documentation. Animal IDs will be recorded for the accounting department.

How many lost

There’s been a lot of numbers thrown out around social media and in reports. Hagins says KLA doesn’t track those numbers and members do not self-report their death losses. However, KLA will say it was a significant number of cattle lost.
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I knew it! It was Burger King!
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Old 06-16-2022, 04:33 PM   #33
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Meatingplace.com reported 2000 head. AgDay this morning had a story about how the heat can build up in cattle when nighttime temperatures remain warm. No shade, 104 degrees, hot night, hot ration? No mention if they were still pouring the calories to them in the feed. I expect that we will hear more in the coming days.
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Old 06-16-2022, 06:03 PM   #35
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It’s Putin fault…
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Old 06-16-2022, 06:21 PM   #36
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This is why we have longhorns !
True Texas Cattle
They can take the heat and drought
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True Texas Cattle
They can take the heat and drought
If you like boot leather, it's perfect.
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Old 06-16-2022, 08:29 PM   #38
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Tucker had a bit on this tonight with a farmer saying certain parts never got out of the 100's overnight & the cattle never had a chance to cool down...holy crap!! Supposedly they are gonna do some autopsies to rule out bad feed / poison.

Also said we process 600k cattle a week...drop in the bucket. Crazy.
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Thank you ,amazing how many think they now how to raise livestock
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Old 06-16-2022, 09:48 PM   #40
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currently 24% in Ulysses Kansas and 42% in Houston....

I wasn’t aware of a feedlot in Houston?


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Old 06-16-2022, 10:06 PM   #41
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What % of cattle died in the area. 10,000 could be insignificant or a disaster
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:36 PM   #42
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I have been on a Kansas feedlot, not a hint of shade on the whole place

Stands to reason tht you pack a lot with animals and no shade that the right conditions can be deadly
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I used to pheasant hunt with a guy who ran a feed lot in the panhandle. He told me about times when the weather go weird up there they would pay the VFD to come out at dark and spray over the cattle with fire hoses to cool them.


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I think you are missing the point. Im guessing he used Houston as an exame because it typically has a high humidity.
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We are into money, not beef !
I look at my cows, and eat everyone else’s.
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We run sprinklers and fans on our herd during the summer. But had a Dutch ran operation a few years ago wipe out a huge portion by spraying them with water…. And no air flow! Or of course constant water flow.

If we lost power with a wet herd confined and didn’t fire generator it wouldn’t take long at all to start loosing

…. Longhorn = fur covered shredder. Lol
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it wouldn’t take long at all to start loosing



…. Longhorn = fur covered shredder. Lol
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No th water Matt’s the fur where they can’t transfer body heat…. Like putting them in wet suits in a way
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Old 06-17-2022, 02:26 PM   #49
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We run sprinklers and fans on our herd during the summer. But had a Dutch ran operation a few years ago wipe out a huge portion by spraying them with water…. And no air flow! Or of course constant water flow.

If we lost power with a wet herd confined and didn’t fire generator it wouldn’t take long at all to start loosing

…. Longhorn = fur covered shredder. Lol
You ever been to the panhandle? There is constant air flow, the wind never turns off.
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My guess is to hot of feed and heat exponentially inflated the issues with it.

If those 2k head are across western KS then it’s heat and feed. If it’s one feedlot it’s tainted feed and/or bad water issue

I grew up in a feed lot 35 miles from KS, we had hot long summers, it’s comes down to normally non preconditioned feeders coming in and getting on to hot of feed to quick.
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