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Old 09-10-2021, 03:30 PM   #1
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Bought myself a new .257 Weatherby and put a 3-18 Meopta on it. New lease will have some longer range shots, so I thought this would be the perfect gun. Been to the range 3x now and cannot get it group to save my life (using Weatherby 100gr Interlock & a few rounds of 100gr Barnes).

First time I wasn't as concerned, breaking in the gun, etc. Mid way into the 2nd trip I suspected something wasn't right. Shot would be 6 clicks left, make the adjustment and it would hit 1/2" above the last shot. Stopped shooting and came home to double check rings and lugs. Lugs were a full turn loose before they snugged up, rings were good.

Figured I had the problem solved and went back this afternoon. Cold bore 1st shot was 1" high dead on. The gun then started bouncing all around. I'd shoot 3 shots and let it cool. Thought it was on with 2 shots near each other only to have the next shot fly way off. Let the gun cool again, next 2 shots were dead middle but 2" right with the 3rd being 5" high, dead on.

I get the gun may not like 100gr bullets, but it should still group somewhat and not sling rounds all over. At this point I guess I'll throw another scope on it to see if it's the scope. If you have any other suggestions, bring 'em.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:32 PM   #2
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Check action screw as well?
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:34 PM   #3
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scope. broken recticles.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:34 PM   #4
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I'd try a different ammo before you go changing everything else up. Maybe check to see all the screws are tight on the rings and base.

I've seen rifles shoot shotgun patterns then shoot nice groups with a different grain or name brand.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:40 PM   #5
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I would assume it has a floating barrel. Check for it touching or put a pad under the front end and try her again.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:49 PM   #6
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Float the barrel and check for copper fouling, then try different ammo. My Ruger 243 would only shoot WW 100 grain Power Points, all other ammo looked like your groups.
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:07 PM   #7
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Gun was fired and tested before it was boxed for 1/4" or better at 100yds.

Change scope before anything else. Mine shoots like a laser with factory ammo and did out of the box.

All I did was clean the barrel. Did you do that? Sometimes it's heavily coated.
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:22 PM   #8
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Change Ammo, check all the stuff listed above...
Then, if youíre still not grouping, and youíre not gonna like this answer, have someone else that is a known good shooter, shoot it. I taught marksmanship for years, I heard every excuse ever, 98/100, it was the shooter.
Hell, Iíve done it, swore my gun was off, blamed something, told my compadre to shoot it, amd it shot fine.
Anyways, just a thought, good luck


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Old 09-10-2021, 04:50 PM   #9
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Sure sounds like a scope issue. I know my Remington 700 was pretty picky too. But it still grouped, somewhat. Probably 2” with Weatherby factory ammo. I finally started reloading and found the 115 grain Berger’s and the 110 gr Nosler Accubonds to be really accurate with groups being in the 1/2” range. My bet is a scope issue.
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:52 PM   #10
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Try different grains
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:00 PM   #11
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Gun was fired and tested before it was boxed for 1/4" or better at 100yds.

Change scope before anything else. Mine shoots like a laser with factory ammo and did out of the box.

All I did was clean the barrel. Did you do that? Sometimes it's heavily coated.
I've never heard of a Vanguard factory tested at 1/4". I have seen 3/4"..

Never the less it should shoot much better than it is out of the box. Go to 120gr..
I have a MarkV .257 that loves 100gr but not 120gr. And both are Weatherby ammo... It can be frustrating.
It could be a bad scope.. Who knows.
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:09 PM   #12
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Bought my daughter a Vanguard 223 several years back. Had same issue you’ve described. Took a while to figure it out but it was an ammo issue. That gun is very particular about which ammo it likes. Tried different brands and different grains as well. Finally figured it out and it’s probably the most accurate gun in the safe now.

Be patient and methodical and you will figure it out…


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Old 09-10-2021, 06:39 PM   #13
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Based on your first statement Iíd say it sounds scope related.


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Old 09-10-2021, 07:33 PM   #14
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My '12 257 Wby likes factory 115gr so much I've never tried any others.
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Old 09-10-2021, 07:55 PM   #15
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Based on your first statement Iíd say it sounds scope related.


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Yes sir - I probably spent more money & time in ammo chasing the same issue than the malfunctioning scope cost. My buddy said from day one that it was probably the scope; canít season crow enough to make it eatable.
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Old 09-10-2021, 07:57 PM   #16
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I would assume it has a floating barrel. Check for it touching or put a pad under the front end and try her again.
May have found the problem. Barrel was rubbing pretty hard on the fore end. Took some sandpaper and floated the barrel.
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Old 09-12-2021, 04:36 PM   #17
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Vanguards are not floating barrels.

Scope or ammo.
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Old 09-12-2021, 04:45 PM   #18
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I have a Wal Mart VANGUARD in 270 that is the best out of the box rifle I have ever owned If I do my part it will stack em one on top of the other. I don't ever shoot it anymore as I have others I have gotten attached to.... Grandson will get this one
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Old 09-12-2021, 04:48 PM   #19
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Many guns have a pressure point exactly as pic'd...usually skinnier bbls. Do vanguards come with a test target to show accuracy??
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:25 PM   #20
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That’s a factory pressure point that Weatherby puts in. Supposed to help with accuracy. I wouldn’t bother floating the barrel unless you plan on bedding the stock as well.
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:35 PM   #21
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Iíve bought 2 brand new scopes both Nikons that would drift with every shot.I put a tried and true scope on and it shot true every time.Maby try a trusted scope or try putting that scope on a trusted gun.Nikon fixed em and problems solved.
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:44 PM   #22
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I'm thinking ammo. Have an A-bolt that won't hit a pie plate with most ammo, but cuts holes with the cheap stuff.

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Old 09-13-2021, 10:10 AM   #23
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FYI, those vanguards are made by Howa for Weatherby. The bolt and receiver are more finely finished than the Howa branded rifles and they have Weatherby stamped on the floor plate. Otherwise not much difference. Keep shooting the gun and maybe one day it will dial itself in once it's broken in. The new barrel will gradually get less and less copper fouling as it smooths out inside and it should tighten up. Scrub that bore real good every 20 rounds with good copper solvent and shoot some more. Some barrels take as much as 200 rounds to come around. Removing the pressure point may or may not hurt anything but will definitely change barrel harmonics and every different bullet weight will shoot different POI. All that pressure point does is slow down the barrel whip at the muzzle ie; harmonics. Almost all old Winchesters and Remington bolt rifles had the pressure point, usually about 8lbs. I've even done it myself to try and help a gun shoot better groups. It seldom ever worked to my satisfaction and I just got rid of them.
Lastly, try some different bullet weights and styles. Some guns, I have one, don't like boat tail bullets and some don't like flat based bullets. I hate it when this happens.
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May have found the problem. Barrel was rubbing pretty hard on the fore end. Took some sandpaper and floated the barrel.
I have an old Vanguard VGX with beautiful wood in 7mm Mag. It would NOT shoot an acceptable group. I was advised by an older gentleman, who had many weatherby's, on how to solve my problem. He advised that I remove that pressure point, relieved the barrel channel, and floated the barrel.. My next step was going to be bed the action but there was no need.. It went from 3" groups to clover leafs just by floating the barrel..
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Old 09-13-2021, 08:57 PM   #25
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I have an old Vanguard VGX with beautiful wood in 7mm Mag. It would NOT shoot an acceptable group. I was advised by an older gentleman, who had many weatherby's, on how to solve my problem. He advised that I remove that pressure point, relieved the barrel channel, and floated the barrel.. My next step was going to be bed the action but there was no need.. It went from 3" groups to clover leafs just by floating the barrel..
Same here on a 257 weatherby vanguard with wood stock I bought for the wife. Shoots 115 HSM ammo and 110 weatherby interbonds well now around 3/4

Trigger work will help alot also if yours is like mine was it's around 6-7 pounds.

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Old 09-13-2021, 09:07 PM   #26
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When did you clean the barrel last?

Noster #2 reloading says every 15 rounds.
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Old 09-13-2021, 09:07 PM   #27
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Picked up a couple boxes of 110gr at Scheels and have everything but bullets to start reloading. Hoped to get thru this season with factory ammo before having to dial in a load. I’ll head back to the range Wednesday morning, hopefully with better results.
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when did you clean the barrel last?

Noster #2 reloading says every 15 rounds.

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In that caliber it makes a difference Maybe just part of the problem.
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Oh and probably need to shoot 120gr bullets
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Old 09-15-2021, 11:13 AM   #30
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Frustration is over!!!!!!!!!! Floated the barrel, cleaned it really good and moved to 110gr ELD-x and we have a solid group at 100 yards. Jumped back to the 100gr and they started flying all over again.

Thanks for the advice/help!!
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Frustration is over!!!!!!!!!! Floated the barrel, cleaned it really good and moved to 110gr ELD-x and we have a solid group at 100 yards. Jumped back to the 100gr and they started flying all over again.

Thanks for the advice/help!!
Well there ya go. Found what it likes. I might be inclined to go up a tad more in bullet weight and see if it gets even betterer.
My 6.5 Creed tends to scatter the 120-130 grain pills but soon as I go back to 140's it goes right back to shooting .5 again. Gonna try some 147's Friday morning.
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Glad you figured it out! Have a great season.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:19 PM   #33
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Frustration is over!!!!!!!!!! Floated the barrel, cleaned it really good and moved to 110gr ELD-x and we have a solid group at 100 yards. Jumped back to the 100gr and they started flying all over again.

Thanks for the advice/help!!
I may be able to help you out on the bullets. I have quite a few in the 110 to 117 grain. Berger’s, Sierras and Accubonds. Waiting on my build to be completed and my twist rate is 1-7.5 for the heavier 128-135 grain pills. So I’ll see what I can get away with on the lighter side and sale the rest.

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Old 09-15-2021, 01:32 PM   #34
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I may be able to help you out on the bullets. I have quite a few in the 110 to 117 grain. Bergerís, Sierras and Accubonds. Waiting on my build to be completed and my twist rate is 1-7.5 for the heavier 128-135 grain pills. So Iíll see what I can get away with on the lighter side and sale the rest.
Thanks Muddy!! I'll probably roll with the 110 ELD-x for this season and play in off season with loads. Scheel's had a ton of boxes still on the shelf, just need to run back and grab a couple more.
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