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Old 12-18-2018, 10:21 AM   #201
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I am in the same boat. I was thinking 300wsm, but not sure I want to be on the receiving end of that in a light gun. I wish I would have not already done a 7-08 in last years build. I really want to go bigger for this one, but may have to change my mind. I don't reload, so I can't really go with any fancy calibers.
7 Remington mag, 257 Weatherby, or something in the 270 variety are my top picks at the moment.
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I am in the same boat. I was thinking 300wsm, but not sure I want to be on the receiving end of that in a light gun. I wish I would have not already done a 7-08 in last years build. I really want to go bigger for this one, but may have to change my mind. I don't reload, so I can't really go with any fancy calibers.
Go with a 300 wm and a brake, it's an oldie but is a solid performer with lots of factory options.

I was already contemplating this build before Robert through it out as a group build and am planning a 300wm. I reload and have looked at several 7mm and 30 cal mags but keep coming back to the tried and true.

For me, it meets the goal of running a 200-215 boolet at 2900-3000 in a 26 inch barrel and just like factory ammo selection it has a huge selection of new brass.

You can get 3100 from a 180 yet still have good performance from a 24 inch barrel if that's in your plans.

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lightweight rig in 260 is sounding pretty good right now
This for sure!
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7 Remington mag, 257 Weatherby, or something in the 270 variety are my top picks at the moment.
257 weatherby was my initial thought
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Old 12-18-2018, 10:32 AM   #205
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Iím on the same page as slick 8. Will be doing 300wm with the best brake they offer in lightweight package. Iím beyond excited and we canít even order yet.


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Go with a 300 wm and a brake, it's an oldie but is a solid performer with lots of factory options.

I was already contemplating this build before Robert through it out as a group build and am planning a 300wm. I reload and have looked at several 7mm and 30 cal mags but keep coming back to the tried and true.

For me, it meets the goal of running a 200-215 boolet at 2900-3000 in a 26 inch barrel and just like factory ammo selection it has a huge selection of new brass.

You can get 3100 from a 180 yet still have good performance from a 24 inch barrel if that's in your plans.

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I was thinking that, but I already have an old 300wm that I love.
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I guess I missed the Tier options? Someone help me out here please!
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I guess I missed the Tier options? Someone help me out here please!
Tier 1 - The light option. APR Hunter(lighter) action, vertical grip carbon fiber stock, Carbon Barrel, bdl bottom metal. Basically a 6 lbish lean, mean hunting machine.

Tier 2 - The heavier option. APR G2 action(heavier), same vertical grip carbon fiber stock, Sendero contour cut-rifled barrel (fluted or not), Bdl bottom metal. This version could swap to a detachable mag for an additional fee. Should end up mid 7 lb range hitting 9ish with glass and be a couple hundred less than the all carbon.
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Tier 1 - The light option. APR Hunter(lighter) action, vertical grip carbon fiber stock, Carbon Barrel, bdl bottom metal. Basically a 6 lbish lean, mean hunting machine.

Tier 2 - The heavier option. APR G2 action(heavier), same vertical grip carbon fiber stock, Sendero contour cut-rifled barrel (fluted or not), Bdl bottom metal. This version could swap to a detachable mag for an additional fee. Should end up mid 7 lb range hitting 9ish with glass and be a couple hundred less than the all carbon.
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Old 12-18-2018, 11:38 AM   #210
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Well, I kept my nose out of last year's special deal, as I was gun poor enough and actually somewhat avoided the thread and the temptation to pull the trigger on yet another build, but... dang this'n looks even better!

Robert, you know me well enough after building my 28 ultralight to know that the lightweight version gets my vote.

Now, the chambering is a bit more difficult decision... I believe I have the 7mm and up covered and I've been looking at a 6.5. I'm a big fan of the SAUM but the PRC is hard to ignore.

I'm staying tuned in and weighing the options...
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Iím on the same page as slick 8. Will be doing 300wm with the best brake they offer in lightweight package. Iím beyond excited and we canít even order yet.


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I may be leaning this way also. I haven't done the research on other similar calibers yet, but I wouldn't be suprised if this is what I end up for a 500-700 yard elk gun.
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I am in the same boat. I was thinking 300wsm, but not sure I want to be on the receiving end of that in a light gun. I wish I would have not already done a 7-08 in last years build. I really want to go bigger for this one, but may have to change my mind. I don't reload, so I can't really go with any fancy calibers.
Yep...wanting to build a 300WSM myself but not in a light gun. Got the figure out the "Tiers" for sure.
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Old 12-18-2018, 12:43 PM   #213
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For those who reload and were considering the prc, the 6.5 GAP 4S or SAUM is a great way to go. The OAL is 2.900" for most loads guys are using (obviously depending on the reamer). vs the factory PRC ammo that is 2.940"

H1000 powder between 59-61.5gr is usually the sweet spot, going around 3,050-3,100 fps

**Robert addresses this in post #153 - works in an unmodified bdl setup
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Old 12-18-2018, 12:52 PM   #214
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A light weight rig is appealing but I canít say I have any caliber gaps currently except in maybe a sub 22 caliber, but that seems like a waste since I really donít varmint hunt.

Robert, what do you feel is the absolute longest OAL that will feed reliably in the light weight build? I have a factory 260 Rem mountain rifle, but might could be convinced to sell it in favor of one of these in a 260AI if it would work well within the mag box restrictions.


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Also, is it possible to have a detachable mag in the light weight build?
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Old 12-18-2018, 02:01 PM   #216
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Yep...wanting to build a 300WSM myself but not in a light gun. Got the figure out the "Tiers" for sure.


Yep I have one that tips the scales at about 7.3 lbs. No brake. Itís a head knocker.
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Old 12-18-2018, 02:10 PM   #217
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7 Remington mag, 257 Weatherby, or something in the 270 variety are my top picks at the moment.
The 7mm is really versatile, but I am thinking I want a 257 Weatherby. I have been for a while.
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Old 12-18-2018, 03:28 PM   #219
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It looks like we have solved the Wyatt's box issue with the 6.5 PRC. Which should translate to all of the other cases that would need an extended mag box to run in a Rem patterned mag box. Going to knock out a few more parts and test again.

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A light weight rig is appealing but I canít say I have any caliber gaps currently except in maybe a sub 22 caliber, but that seems like a waste since I really donít varmint hunt.

Robert, what do you feel is the absolute longest OAL that will feed reliably in the light weight build? I have a factory 260 Rem mountain rifle, but might could be convinced to sell it in favor of one of these in a 260AI if it would work well within the mag box restrictions.


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You are probably going to want an extended box to be happy with it.
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Go with a 300 wm and a brake, it's an oldie but is a solid performer with lots of factory options.

I was already contemplating this build before Robert through it out as a group build and am planning a 300wm. I reload and have looked at several 7mm and 30 cal mags but keep coming back to the tried and true.

For me, it meets the goal of running a 200-215 boolet at 2900-3000 in a 26 inch barrel and just like factory ammo selection it has a huge selection of new brass.

You can get 3100 from a 180 yet still have good performance from a 24 inch barrel if that's in your plans.

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It would be really hard to beat a 300WM in this package for a go anywhere, hunt anything rig running the 200 gr and up bullets. It's old school, but consistency and energy on target past 1k with the 215's is hard to argue when weighed against it's relatively mild manners with a good brake.
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interested in a 300wm myself. forgive my ignorance what is turn around time and payment look like again.

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interested in a 300wm myself. forgive my ignorance what is turn around time and payment look like again.
We are still waiting on a few things before we can post price and delivery schedule. Promise we are working on it as fast as we can.
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Old 12-18-2018, 04:07 PM   #224
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I’m in for a 300wm - that’s my next purchase whether custom or not.

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Well, I kept my nose out of last year's special deal, as I was gun poor enough and actually somewhat avoided the thread and the temptation to pull the trigger on yet another build, but... dang this'n looks even better!

Robert, you know me well enough after building my 28 ultralight to know that the lightweight version gets my vote.

Now, the chambering is a bit more difficult decision... I believe I have the 7mm and up covered and I've been looking at a 6.5. I'm a big fan of the SAUM but the PRC is hard to ignore.

I'm staying tuned in and weighing the options...

It's going to be really tough to beat your last build from just about any angle That said, I'm betting you'll really like the PRC if you go that direction.
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What sort of lengths do the carbon barrels come in?
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Old 12-18-2018, 09:24 PM   #227
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Do you know if the stock will have flush cups on the side?
So 6.5 PRC will work now?
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Do you know if the stock will have flush cups on the side?
So 6.5 PRC will work now?
The flush cups are part of the hold up. After getting several requests for them, I went back to the manufacturer to see what the impact would be to pricing and delivery times. Hope to hear back by tomorrow.

The PRC will work on the short, but will cost a little more do to the modifications and tuning to get it there. It will take a Wyatt's, an ejector modification, a different follower and some tuning on the Wyatt's. I would still prefer to do them on the long to provide maximum flexibility for the round, not to mention the one we just did was one of the smoothest feeding bolt actions I've ever handled. The rounds literally jumped into the bolt face behind the extractor as they cleared the rails. You almost couldn't feel any feedback through the entire cycle.

Bottom line - We can do them on the short if that's what you want, but would recommend the long. There's only about 1/2" difference between them, but a big difference in how they run that round. We'll build them on whichever one you want.
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What sort of lengths do the carbon barrels come in?
One of the last pieces of the puzzle. We are down to two choices, ours or Proof. Ours will be any length over 16" in whatever twist rate you want. Proof will be whatever they offer in the twist rates that they do. I'll be giving an update on this tomorrow as well.
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The flush cups are part of the hold up. After getting several requests for them, I went back to the manufacturer to see what the impact would be to pricing and delivery times. Hope to hear back by tomorrow.



The PRC will work on the short, but will cost a little more do to the modifications and tuning to get it there. It will take a Wyatt's, an ejector modification, a different follower and some tuning on the Wyatt's. I would still prefer to do them on the long to provide maximum flexibility for the round, not to mention the one we just did was one of the smoothest feeding bolt actions I've ever handled. The rounds literally jumped into the bolt face behind the extractor as they cleared the rails. You almost couldn't feel any feedback through the entire cycle.



Bottom line - We can do them on the short if that's what you want, but would recommend the long. There's only about 1/2" difference between them, but a big difference in how they run that round. We'll build them on whichever one you want.


Sounds like long would be the way to go on the PRC. Iím still a little up in the air on caliber but leaning more towards 22 creedmoor for a light predator rifle.

Flush cups are very very high on my list of wants on it. Much more comfortable for hiking around. Also would like a detachable mag if possible.
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Any 6.5x 300 weatherby mag fans out there?
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For the guys thinking about the 257 Weatherby, what's your reasoning behind this caliber? I've been wanting a 257 Roberts for a little while now for a strictly medium game medium range gun. Yet they have been exceedingly hard to find. Is the 257 Weatherby that much better of a caliber. Was kind of wanting to stay away from the magnums since I already have one.
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If something takes a step when using 257 weatherby, I am disappointed.

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For the guys thinking about the 257 Weatherby, what's your reasoning behind this caliber? I've been wanting a 257 Roberts for a little while now for a strictly medium game medium range gun. Yet they have been exceedingly hard to find. Is the 257 Weatherby that much better of a caliber. Was kind of wanting to stay away from the magnums since I already have one.
Because it’s awesome.

But seriously it’s a laser that packs a punch.

I had a Remmy 700 and then a custom from the last build in a 257 wby and combined those guns are 19 for 19 on critters with shots ranging from 35 yards to 402. Only 2 ran after the shot. One was 300 and change and the other was 402 and my shots were both a few inches back so user error.




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Because itís awesome.

But seriously itís a laser that packs a punch.
I assume that 20" barrel on a 257w would not be a good idea? Is that right?
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I assume that 20" barrel on a 257w would not be a good idea? Is that right?
Thatís my struggle, I think the 257 loses too much velocity at a 20Ē barrel
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26" to get the full speed from 257.

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26Ē or nada for the wby

I did everything I could to shave the barrel down and everyone I spoke to at APR and elsewhere said itís a waste going any shorter then 26Ē
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Well crap!
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26Ē or nada for the wby

I did everything I could to shave the barrel down and everyone I spoke to at APR and elsewhere said itís a waste going any shorter then 26Ē
That is not what I wanted to hear, but figured.

Are there any calibers besides 308 and 7-08 (Already have those) that can run effectively through a 20-22" barrel suppressed?
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That is not what I wanted to hear, but figured.



Are there any calibers besides 308 and 7-08 (Already have those) that can run effectively through a 20-22" barrel suppressed?


From what Iím hearing, a 22 creedmoor will do well in a 22Ē. Iíve even seen some do a 18Ē.
Not sure if youíre wanting a 224 cal but that little round packs a serious punch using 80+ grain bullets.
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With the new 131gr blackjack 25 cal bullets, a 25 based on the creed case starts getting interesting for a high performance shorter barreled quarterbore.
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the 257 wildcat looks interesting, 110 accubonds at 3000fps.
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That is not what I wanted to hear, but figured.

Are there any calibers besides 308 and 7-08 (Already have those) that can run effectively through a 20-22" barrel suppressed?
Maybe a 260 rem with 22Ē
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That could be fun!
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With the new 131gr blackjack 25 cal bullets, a 25 based on the creed case starts getting interesting for a high performance shorter barreled quarterbore.
Tell me more!!!!! How will it compare to the 260 in 22"?
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Yep I have one that tips the scales at about 7.3 lbs. No brake. Itís a head knocker.
I had a brake on my last 300WSM and it was very pleasant to shoot. I have actually had brakes on 300WSM, 300 RUM and 300 Jarrett. The 300 RUM was in the cheap plastic 700 stock and I went with a Vais brake. Did not tame the gun the way the other rifles did with a more traditional style brake and heavier stocks. Lesson learned for sure.
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Old 12-19-2018, 01:06 PM   #248
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If I don't go 7mm-08 I'm liking the looks of the 6.5 GAP 4S.
Then again, I could get a man bun and hunt everything from squirrels to elephants.
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Old 12-19-2018, 03:11 PM   #249
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Are there any calibers besides 308 and 7-08 (Already have those) that can run effectively through a 20-22" barrel suppressed?
I have a .260 that I shoot 129g bullets at 2800fps. Really accurate, one of my favorite hunting rifles.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:27 PM   #250
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As things solidify and we get closer to actually starting this thing, I'm going to continue sharing progress pics and details on this thread. Confirmed today that the stocks will include flush cups. Did not receive the actual pattern as expected, but did get some other patterns in from them. We went ahead and worked on a few finish options. Here is a peek at the stock finishes we plan to offer on this one.

How they will look on arrival(you can keep them raw CF if you want)


3 of the 4 camo patterns we will offer.


Close up of the camo with carbon fiber showing through.


We will also do 4 solid colors with webbing. Choices will be naked carbon fiber, 4 camo patterns and 4 solid base colors with webbing. Unless you guys have a request for something you would rather see. Put it here if so.

Thanks,
Robert
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