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Old 11-25-2018, 09:17 PM   #1
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Thinking I "deserve" a thermal scope to help with my feral hog control efforts but don't want to spend at the Trijicon level. Most I've looked at only have a few reviews and I like to see lots of them, even if some are bad.

Anyone have any suggestions for a good thermal/IR scope in the $3k and under range that could ride my M70 .22-250?
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Old 11-25-2018, 09:24 PM   #2
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For under 3k I would go with Pulsar apex xq38. Will kill just as many hogs as the Trijicon will.
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What do the top shelf offer & how much more $$$ are we talking about for the trijicon?? I didn't know they were in the game.

I would like to just move the not this some day, just seems they keep advancing at every turn
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Old 11-25-2018, 10:41 PM   #4
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For under 3k I would go with Pulsar apex xq38. Will kill just as many hogs as the Trijicon will.
Yep ... Apex XQ39 or XQ50. I would opt for the XQ50 with the bigger objective lens. I think it's like a 300 dollar difference between the two and still under 3k.

Pulsars and Trijicon are both good.

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Old 11-25-2018, 10:54 PM   #5
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What do the top shelf offer & how much more $$$ are we talking about for the trijicon?? I didn't know they were in the game.

I would like to just move the not this some day, just seems they keep advancing at every turn
Trijicon scopes run from about 6k to 9k. They use the BAE Systems 12 micron core which are military versions of the core. The image is pretty crisp, probably one of the best if not the best for the commercial market - until HD comes out.

If you are on a budget the Pulsar line is pretty good with good customer service. They have some entry level models but I would start with the Apex XQ38 model and go from there. That one is about 2,500.

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Old 11-25-2018, 10:59 PM   #6
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Thanks folks---got me started and now all that is left is making a decision.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:59 AM   #7
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Pulsar in that price range

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Old 11-26-2018, 01:46 PM   #8
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I agree with Pulsar in that range. If you want the best optic, go with Trijicon
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Old 11-26-2018, 01:52 PM   #9
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Both Flir and Pulsar have entry level thermals at that price point.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:47 PM   #10
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I got a pulsar in November and it is AWESOME!


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Old 11-26-2018, 08:38 PM   #11
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Call Outdoor Legacy Gear and talk to Jason, he can help you make decision. Hes a site sponsor also.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:20 PM   #12
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I have the 2800 dollar atn Thor and love it. No complaints, use it all the time.


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Old 11-27-2018, 01:09 AM   #13
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Old 11-27-2018, 03:02 AM   #14
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What's a entry level slug gun nv/thermal scope?
Photon RT?
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Old 11-27-2018, 05:41 AM   #15
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Photon RT?
Only thermal I know to handle that recoil is the Sig Sauer Echo 1.
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Save your money as those are crap.
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:41 PM   #17
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Save your money as those are crap.
As compared to what? A Maglight duct taped to the end of your barrel or a $8,000 Trijicon REAP-IR? Seriously, not picking a fight here but not everyone has a thermal budget. If he saved up $1,899 to buy a Pulsar Core RXQ30V you'd say that was crap too.

I deal with customers every day who will never be able to afford thermal or will just never be willing to spend their money for thermal and I'll tell you what, some of those guys kill more hogs and coyotes with their Photons than most guys I know with thermal.

I say, get into the night hunting game with whatever budget you have and go have fun doing it. If that's a Mag light duct taped to the end of your barrel, go for it!

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As compared to what? A Maglight duct taped to the end of your barrel or a $8,000 Trijicon REAP-IR? Seriously, not picking a fight here but not everyone has a thermal budget. If he saved up $1,899 to buy a Pulsar Core RXQ30V you'd say that was crap too.

I say, get into the night hunting game with whatever budget you have and go have fun doing it. If that's a Mag light duct taped to the end of your barrel, go for it!

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Old 11-29-2018, 12:15 AM   #19
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What do you think of the ATN X sight Pro 4000?
Save your money, those are crap.

No seriously, I think the X-Sight 4K are "ok" optics and I think they have certain features that are really good and better than the Photon RT's such as an incremental zoom and full HD color for daytime use. I also think the night time image quality is really good. I think they have an under powered IR illuminator compared to the Photon RT and I don't believe they are near as reliable as the Photons. I think ATN's customer service is a nightmare and I wouldn't personally advise anyone to buy one. I know a lot of guys who LOVE their X-Sights, even the older models and they wouldn't trade them for 3 Photons. Saltwater Slick on here is one of those guys.

So in my opinion, I wouldn't advise someone to buy one unless they know the caveats and are willing to take the risks because they want the features. As with all ATN products, my complaints about the optics themselves (and I do have complaints) isn't near as big as my complaints about the manufacturer and their (lack of) customer service.

But again, to each their own. And if I do say something is junk, I will have a detailed reason why from my hands on use in the field and I'll do my best to offer a comparable alternative.
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Save your money as those are crap.
Shot/slug gun application this would be perfect.
I demo'd this unit in an open field over a year ago. Spotted running coyote at 200 yards easily.
It has the highest recoil warranty on the market .50 cal.
If I was hunting with a shot gun I'd have this unit mounted.
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As compared to what? A Maglight duct taped to the end of your barrel or a $8,000 Trijicon REAP-IR? Seriously, not picking a fight here but not everyone has a thermal budget. If he saved up $1,899 to buy a Pulsar Core RXQ30V you'd say that was crap too.

I deal with customers every day who will never be able to afford thermal or will just never be willing to spend their money for thermal and I'll tell you what, some of those guys kill more hogs and coyotes with their Photons than most guys I know with thermal.

I say, get into the night hunting game with whatever budget you have and go have fun doing it. If that's a Mag light duct taped to the end of your barrel, go for it!

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I would save up for that $2k thermal personally over that cheap NV. I have looked thru one with an improved IR light and many brands and models of thermal.
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:36 AM   #22
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For under 3k I would go with Pulsar apex xq38. Will kill just as many hogs as the Trijicon will.
This^^^^^^^ without a doubt.
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For under 3k I would go with Pulsar apex xq38. Will kill just as many hogs as the Trijicon will.
I have to agree hands down at that great price point.

But to say it will kill as many hogs as a reap or Mark 2/3 is not true. I have used Pulsar and Trijicon
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I have to agree hands down at that great price point.

But to say it will kill as many hogs as a reap or Mark 2/3 is not true. I have used Pulsar and Trijicon
Sure it will! It depends on the shooter and if their gun is reliable. Now if you scouting for hogs, then I think you should go with a 640x480. Which the Reap or Mark series offers better cores for that.

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Thinking I "deserve" a thermal scope to help with my feral hog control efforts but don't want to spend at the Trijicon level. Most I've looked at only have a few reviews and I like to see lots of them, even if some are bad.

Anyone have any suggestions for a good thermal/IR scope in the $3k and under range that could ride my M70 .22-250?
I was eradicating hogs in Sequin over the weekend for a farmer. If that's where you are, send me a PM. Happy to demo both and entry level Pulsar Trail and also the top of the line. I don't sell themójust like to shoot them.
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Well, after talking extensively to Jason, I settled on the XQ50. Got it this week, and have played with it outside a bit trying to figure out everything. Still waiting for the rail to mount it on my M70 Featherweight, but tonight I took it to the pasture for a walk-around. It is gonna be fun!!!! I just walked out to the feeder and behind the brush to look to the north fence---spotted 4 deer, 4 skunks, and a bunch of cows. I will need to tinker a bit with contrast, etc. but I think the hogs are gonna pay.
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Well, after talking extensively to Jason, I settled on the XQ50. Got it this week, and have played with it outside a bit trying to figure out everything. Still waiting for the rail to mount it on my M70 Featherweight, but tonight I took it to the pasture for a walk-around. It is gonna be fun!!!! I just walked out to the feeder and behind the brush to look to the north fence---spotted 4 deer, 4 skunks, and a bunch of cows. I will need to tinker a bit with contrast, etc. but I think the hogs are gonna pay.
Good choice! Jason is good to deal with.
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Well, after talking extensively to Jason, I settled on the XQ50. Got it this week, and have played with it outside a bit trying to figure out everything. Still waiting for the rail to mount it on my M70 Featherweight, but tonight I took it to the pasture for a walk-around. It is gonna be fun!!!! I just walked out to the feeder and behind the brush to look to the north fence---spotted 4 deer, 4 skunks, and a bunch of cows. I will need to tinker a bit with contrast, etc. but I think the hogs are gonna pay.
XQ is a solid choice and the bet in that price range IMO/

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Well, after talking extensively to Jason, I settled on the XQ50. Got it this week, and have played with it outside a bit trying to figure out everything. Still waiting for the rail to mount it on my M70 Featherweight, but tonight I took it to the pasture for a walk-around. It is gonna be fun!!!! I just walked out to the feeder and behind the brush to look to the north fence---spotted 4 deer, 4 skunks, and a bunch of cows. I will need to tinker a bit with contrast, etc. but I think the hogs are gonna pay.
That's awesome! Glad to hear you're enjoying it. Hogs Beware!

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