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Old 02-19-2021, 09:13 AM   #1
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Default Whole home generator warnings.

1. Do your research. This is a luxury item, not a necessity. Dont buy cheap. When you want it to work, it better work.

2. If they tell you 20kw, buy 25kw. They are notorious for selling too small of units that wont power everything.

3. Dont put all your eggs in one basket. Have a backup portable unit. I know several who have a generator and have never had an issue, and become totally reliant on it. They work until they dont, and you are then caught with your pants down. Imagine 2 days, no nothing, and it is 12 degrees outside, and you didnt prep anything because your 100kw generator that has always worked was going to be there for you....and its not.


What I have learned from this storm is to not be solely dependent on any one item. Have multiple sources of power, fuel, or whatever else it is. Dont get too comfortable with one thing. Dont abandon your house in the cold as it is much worse than the heat. In the summer time, I would leave during a hurricane because I figured I cant control much and all I lose is my food. In the winter, fight like heck to keep everything from freezing and busting and you are good.

I got lucky and doomsday prepped during for your new presidents inauguration and had what I needed to keep going during this storm. I'll buy a few more small items, but I like being diversified. Solar, 2 small generators, propane, natural gas, etc...

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Old 02-19-2021, 09:18 AM   #2
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Yep. I had 5 different plans in case something in another plan failed. Guess what? We made it to plan #5.

Read Extreme Ownership. It lays out pretty well how to prepare for everything. I hope Greg Abbott reads this book. Never seen a politician caught so far on his heels ever before.
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1. Do your research. This is a luxury item, not a necessity. Dont buy cheap. When you want it to work, it better work.

2. If they tell you 20kw, buy 25kw. They are notorious for selling too small of units that wont power everything.

3. Dont put all your eggs in one basket. Have a backup portable unit. I know several who have a generator and have never had an issue, and become totally reliant on it. They work until they dont, and you are then caught with your pants down. Imagine 2 days, no nothing, and it is 12 degrees outside, and you didnt prep anything because your 100kw generator that has always worked was going to be there for you....and its not.


What I have learned from this storm is to not be solely dependent on any one item. Have multiple sources of power, fuel, or whatever else it is. Dont get too comfortable with one thing. Dont abandon your house in the cold as it is much worse than the heat. In the summer time, I would leave during a hurricane because I figured I cant control much and all I lose is my food. In the winter, fight like heck to keep everything from freezing and busting and you are good.

I got lucky and doomsday prepped during for your new presidents inauguration and had what I needed to keep going during this storm. I'll buy a few more small items, but I like being diversified. Solar, 2 small generators, propane, natural gas, etc...

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1. Do your research. This is a luxury item, not a necessity. Dont buy cheap. When you want it to work, it better work.

2. If they tell you 20kw, buy 25kw. They are notorious for selling too small of units that wont power everything.

3. Dont put all your eggs in one basket. Have a backup portable unit. I know several who have a generator and have never had an issue, and become totally reliant on it. They work until they dont, and you are then caught with your pants down. Imagine 2 days, no nothing, and it is 12 degrees outside, and you didnt prep anything because your 100kw generator that has always worked was going to be there for you....and its not.


What I have learned from this storm is to not be solely dependent on any one item. Have multiple sources of power, fuel, or whatever else it is. Dont get too comfortable with one thing. Dont abandon your house in the cold as it is much worse than the heat. In the summer time, I would leave during a hurricane because I figured I cant control much and all I lose is my food. In the winter, fight like heck to keep everything from freezing and busting and you are good.

I got lucky and doomsday prepped during for your new presidents inauguration and had what I needed to keep going during this storm. I'll buy a few more small items, but I like being diversified. Solar, 2 small generators, propane, natural gas, etc...

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You ainít wrong. That goes for anything though, and not just generators.
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You ainít wrong. That goes for anything though, and not just generators.
Amen...be prepared in life IN GENERAL. For the most part, my main goal is to never EVER be dependent on others.
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I don't know about down there but up here most propane generators are set up to kick on every once in a while automatically for test runs. Staining a log house up here that had one and it would kick on about once a week or so and run just a bit.
The huge backups at UW also kick on every so often to make sure they are ready when needed, they are diesel powered mostly.

Generac is the preferred brand up here for sure.
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And lots of wood

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This right here, when all else fails, fire is the fall back.

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I'm looking real hard at them now. My company is a generac dealer so I can get one at 6% above cost. I've been looking at the 22kw whole home guardian and running off of a propane tank. Anyone with experience with generac?
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They are notorious for selling too small of units that wont power everything.
Why would they intentionally sell you a cheaper unit?
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:14 AM   #10
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Nope but our quote for the exact one your talking about came to $11,000.00. Oops didn’t answer your question. We had a Generac on our home in the Wet Mountains outside ofFlorence Colorado. Worked perfectly t when we needed it. You can also get monitoring where it sends alerts to the company if it detects a potential problem.

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Old 02-19-2021, 10:20 AM   #11
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I had prepped some things, and not others. I've already made a list. I've been wanting a generator for quite some time but can't bring myself to put all my eggs in one basket. I'll probably end up getting a pair of the new 4500w inverter generators from champion that they are releasing this march. They can be bridged. Focus is on heat, water, food, refrigerator, A/C, minimal lighting.
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:23 AM   #12
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And lots of wood

Itís best to have a wood burner stove on hand and lots of wood!


Yep, a good wood burner is about as reliable/dependable as you can ask for.


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I'll just move to Key West. Tapping out.
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The best reason to over size is to allow the generator not to run full throttle all the time. It burns less fuel when it is running lower RPMs. When you oversize you allow it to "idle" when AC, heater, all the bigger items aren't running. The more it idle the better burn rate you have.
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Just roll with Uncle Ted to Cancun and it will all be fine lol
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Old 02-19-2021, 10:42 AM   #16
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I'll just move to Key West. Tapping out.
You will need a generator there much more than in Texas.

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1. Do your research. This is a luxury item, not a necessity. Dont buy cheap. When you want it to work, it better work.

2. If they tell you 20kw, buy 25kw. They are notorious for selling too small of units that wont power everything.

3. Dont put all your eggs in one basket. Have a backup portable unit. I know several who have a generator and have never had an issue, and become totally reliant on it. They work until they dont, and you are then caught with your pants down. Imagine 2 days, no nothing, and it is 12 degrees outside, and you didnt prep anything because your 100kw generator that has always worked was going to be there for you....and its not.


What I have learned from this storm is to not be solely dependent on any one item. Have multiple sources of power, fuel, or whatever else it is. Dont get too comfortable with one thing. Dont abandon your house in the cold as it is much worse than the heat. In the summer time, I would leave during a hurricane because I figured I cant control much and all I lose is my food. In the winter, fight like heck to keep everything from freezing and busting and you are good.

I got lucky and doomsday prepped during for your new presidents inauguration and had what I needed to keep going during this storm. I'll buy a few more small items, but I like being diversified. Solar, 2 small generators, propane, natural gas, etc...

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Old 02-19-2021, 11:01 AM   #18
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I just ordered (Saturday) a predator 3500watt Inverter...Harbor Freight...most folks call them "Honda Clones"...850$...we got power back though. Alls I know, and my wife said it best, "We have always been flippant about a generator purchase",,,not needing one yet, YET!
Hurricane Hannah had us without power for 2 days, winter storm "Uri" had us out of power and freezing our you know what's off for 2and a half days. Ordered and done. Could've went directly to Store but, nopower and not open obviously. Ordered it, it'll get here next week. i'll be ready for the next loss of power when it happens...Hurricane season, if it happens. Hope all you snowbirds up there stay warm, get you power back soon that don't have it yet. Prayers up to you guys.
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I don't know about down there but up here most propane generators are set up to kick on every once in a while automatically for test runs. Staining a log house up here that had one and it would kick on about once a week or so and run just a bit.
The huge backups at UW also kick on every so often to make sure they are ready when needed, they are diesel powered mostly.

Generac is the preferred brand up here for sure.
Not sure about home setups but most of the commercial gensets are on exercise schedule to keep things working and lubed. If your looking at getting one after this I highly recommend getting auto transfer switch and capabilities for exercising these units.
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I don't know about down there but up here most propane generators are set up to kick on every once in a while automatically for test runs. Staining a log house up here that had one and it would kick on about once a week or so and run just a bit.
The huge backups at UW also kick on every so often to make sure they are ready when needed, they are diesel powered mostly.

Generac is the preferred brand up here for sure.


That just means they will crank. They donít switch over and do a load test. That should be done at least quarterly.


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Why would they intentionally sell you a cheaper unit?
That's not what our Generac guy did. We had a survey on EXACTLY what was important to us and deciphered what we need for our . Have not missed a beat in 10.5 years running. Paid for itself probably the 1st year we were here. All my neighbors noticed and bought one also.

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Amen...be prepared in life IN GENERAL. For the most part, my main goal is to never EVER be dependent on others.
I was taught that my entire life! Bring it, we are ready!!! I may add a wood stove to my storage building project this summer.....or another Generac for that space and a water well.

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Speaking of wood burning stove, anybody know where to find a good one that will fit in a fireplace opening? And do i have to do anything special to the smoke stack? Just install it inside the current fireplace chimney?

I will have a 12KW Champion on order soon. Hopefully i donít get hit with too large a power bill and have to put off the generator a little longer.

We donít have central heat, so 4 space heaters is how we kept the place warm all winter and it worked until now. Supposed to install a new central unit this spring.


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Yep. I had 5 different plans in case something in another plan failed. Guess what? We made it to plan #5.

Read Extreme Ownership. It lays out pretty well how to prepare for everything. I hope Greg Abbott reads this book. Never seen a politician caught so far on his heels ever before.
Maybe plan 3 should be to make sure plans number 1 or 2 work.
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Just ordered a 36kw Cummins, going to have a slab poured and insulated 20x20 small building built over it and the well. Will post pics when finished
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If your looking at getting one after this I highly recommend getting auto transfer switch and capabilities for exercising these units.

That just means they will crank. They don’t switch over and do a load test. That should be done at least quarterly.


These are important issues. Transfer switch will keep you from loading power on the lines when workers are trying to fix them... Also gens need to be run and loaded with power demand to keep ALL systems functioning. I have an 8KW gen which I have had stored for a need. Well got it out just before storm and it wouldn't start, luckily I didn't need it but now I have to trouble shoot it to get it working again when it warms a little. Thinking of installing a breaker in panel so I can load power direct to panel when I need to. Deffinently going to do regular runs (every 1 to 2 months) once I get it up and running again...
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Why would they intentionally sell you a cheaper unit?
I agree..... now selling you a 25kw when all you need is a 20 or 22kw is most likely the way it will go
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That's not what our Generac guy did. We had a survey on EXACTLY what was important to us and deciphered what we need for our . Have not missed a beat in 10.5 years running. Paid for itself probably the 1st year we were here. All my neighbors noticed and bought one also.

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10.5 years same machine??
That speaks volume!
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I'm looking real hard at them now. My company is a generac dealer so I can get one at 6% above cost. I've been looking at the 22kw whole home guardian and running off of a propane tank. Anyone with experience with generac?
I read that a 16kw propane whole home generac will burn approximately 1.7 gallons of propane an hour at 50% load. That would get expensive real quick and actually was a deal breaker for me. I'm going to go the big portable route with the plug/breaker switch.
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So you move forward with the purchase and they make a sell.

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I'm looking real hard at them now. My company is a generac dealer so I can get one at 6% above cost. I've been looking at the 22kw whole home guardian and running off of a propane tank. Anyone with experience with generac?
The reviews in general are not good. We have one at the ranch, and it has had lots of issues.

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I don't know about down there but up here most propane generators are set up to kick on every once in a while automatically for test runs. Staining a log house up here that had one and it would kick on about once a week or so and run just a bit.
The huge backups at UW also kick on every so often to make sure they are ready when needed, they are diesel powered mostly.

Generac is the preferred brand up here for sure.
Yes they are set up that way. We have had 2 in our family that will exercise weekly as scheduled, but wont run under a load when needed.

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Because so many people are simply looking for the lowest bidder
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I read that a 16kw propane whole home generac will burn approximately 1.7 gallons of propane an hour at 50% load. That would get expensive real quick and actually was a deal breaker for me. I'm going to go the big portable route with the plug/breaker switch.

Yea, i hear that. At 50% load, a 250 gal propane tank would last about 6(ish) days if my math is correct. My only problem with gasoline is having a place to store it or it going bad over time.


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Just ordered a 36kw Cummins, going to have a slab poured and insulated 20x20 small building built over it and the well. Will post pics when finished
What do you think the total cost for that is gonna be, including the filled propane tank?

Y'all have lots of natural disasters up that way?
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Wonder how long the run on generators will last. Probably wonít see any in stores for a while


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What do you think the total cost for that is gonna be, including the filled propane tank?

Y'all have lots of natural disasters up that way?

Idk about a 36KW, but i see a 30KW Generac from Electric Generators Direct is $9,897. So its around that ballpark. And probably another $2500 for full installation


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What do you think the total cost for that is gonna be, including the filled propane tank?

Y'all have lots of natural disasters up that way?
$12,000 generator
$2,500 install
$3000-5000 building

Not far from you probably 50-60 miles but lose electricity quite a bit living out in the country.
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I've gone back and forth on installing a whole home generator and have decided it's just not worth the huge cost. I put in a 2500 gallon water tank that is about 20' of elevation above the house. I also put in a bypass so I go directly from the tank to my house bypassing all pumps/filters. I'll only get about 8-10psi of water pressure but it will give me water for an extended period of time without needing power for the pumps.

That leaves me needing to keep a fridge, portable heater or portable A/C depending on season, coffee pot, and microwave as items I want to run. One of the 4500 inverter types with a 100lb tank on wheels will run for quite a while. I always have at least 2 20-lb tanks for the grill (one in operation and one spare). Perhaps getting a pair of slightly smaller units that can run in parallel would make even more sense as I'd have a backup if one fails...

For cooking, a 15K BTU butane cooktop is safe for indoor cooking and will give me a burner than doesn't need electricity.

Lots of freeze dried foods already stocked up, batteries, candles, water purification, etc. and I'm good to go.
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Old 02-19-2021, 01:04 PM   #43
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I agree..... now selling you a 25kw when all you need is a 20 or 22kw is most likely the way it will go


And thatís not a bad thing. Less prone to failure if not used at max rated capacity.


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I read that a 16kw propane whole home generac will burn approximately 1.7 gallons of propane an hour at 50% load. That would get expensive real quick and actually was a deal breaker for me. I'm going to go the big portable route with the plug/breaker switch.


16kw gas wonít be much of any better on gasoline. Plus you then have to store gas long term which can be problematic as well. Propane or NG is the way to go. You just have to make provisions for it if using propane.


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Yea, i hear that. At 50% load, a 250 gal propane tank would last about 6(ish) days if my math is correct. My only problem with gasoline is having a place to store it or it going bad over time.


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Yea also you have to supply propane for the weekly 30 minute test run. Unless there's a way to not have that happen. A 11000 watt portable will burn about .75 gallon per hour at 50 % load per the specs. I'd rather have to deal with gas occasionally when theres a storm brewing than have to feed a propane beast all the time. I already have a 500 gallon in ground propane tank for my stove and water heater and it sucks filling it a couple times a year. Propane is usually $2.50-3.00 per gallon and who knows what gas will be next winter.
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Yea also you have to supply propane for the weekly 30 minute test run. Unless there's a way to not have that happen. A 11000 watt portable will burn about .75 gallon per hour at 50 % load per the specs. I'd rather have to deal with gas occasionally when theres a storm brewing than have to feed a propane beast all the time. I already have a 500 gallon in ground propane tank for my stove and water heater and it sucks filling it a couple times a year. Propane is usually $2.50-3.00 per gallon and who knows what gas will be next winter.

Just my thoughts on it.


This is the reason I went with a propane company with a keep full program. I get topped off monthly so I keep a good supply on hand and I get a small bill instead of a big hit 2-3 times per year.
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Yea also you have to supply propane for the weekly 30 minute test run. Unless there's a way to not have that happen. A 11000 watt portable will burn about .75 gallon per hour at 50 % load per the specs. I'd rather have to deal with gas occasionally when theres a storm brewing than have to feed a propane beast all the time. I already have a 500 gallon in ground propane tank for my stove and water heater and it sucks filling it a couple times a year. Propane is usually $2.50-3.00 per gallon and who knows what gas will be next winter.
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I agree. This 250 gal propane tank is my first one i ever owned and i have yet to fill it up. Itís sitting at about 50% capacity right now. Iíve got two gas stations very close (1/4 mile) and have some storage tanks and cans for small usage. About 55 gallons worth. I figure it wonít be too difficult getting fuel a week or so before a hurricane or couple weeks out of an event like this.

Just might invest in a slightly larger storage tank if/when more may be needed.


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