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Old 09-10-2021, 01:47 PM   #1
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I know at some point, some of you guys have had to have told someone they werenít welcome back on a lease for the next season. Thereís a chance I may have to do that next year with one thatís just always creating drama. How have yíall done it in the past, for those of you that have? Just tell them they arenít welcome back and they have whatever amount of time to get their stuff out?


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Old 09-10-2021, 01:53 PM   #2
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Subscribed. I got put in charge of our place last year. Fortunately we have a great group and hope to never have to do this but will be good to be prepared.
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Old 09-10-2021, 01:54 PM   #3
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Just tell them they arenít welcome back and they have whatever amount of time to get their stuff out?


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Old 09-10-2021, 01:55 PM   #4
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Have done it 3 times in the past...
1. don't do it alone. Have a co-manager with you.
2. Have a written copy of your lease rules/contract to reference.
3. Give the specific reason(s) and point out the violation(s) in the rules
4. I do it at the end of the lease year unless it is an immediate termination offense.

5. Give them the standard time to get personal equipment/gear off the property. After that time has passed they need to understand that if they tresspass onto the property, that they will be filed on for criminal tresspass.


If you don't have a written set of rules/contract, Good luck. Hope it goes well for you. If it does get ugly, escort the offender off the property and change the locks on the gate/access to the property immediately and notify all other members... (in writing).
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Old 09-10-2021, 01:56 PM   #5
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Tell them you're going a different direction. They'll start asking 1000 questions don't need to be answered. Give them a dead date to get everything off.

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Old 09-10-2021, 01:57 PM   #6
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Take this with a grain of salt as I don't run a lease...

I would get a couple of other lease participants to be at the meeting when the "drama queen" is told. Assuming this person is/has been the sole cause of the drama situations you can be sure he will be in full tantrum mode when told. Might as well have a couple of witnesses just in case the authorities need to get involved to get him and his stuff off the place in an orderly manner.

See post #4 SeŮor Saltwaterslick has covered responded very well...

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Old 09-10-2021, 01:59 PM   #7
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I have had to do it several times and it was never easy for me. The only advice I have is let them know early as you can so they can get their stuff and start looking for another lease.
The leases I have now I lease and then sublease. I was on hunting clubs before and it was always something and very hard to vote a member off.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:05 PM   #8
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Do you have a written agreement with rules? Has he violated rules?
Or it's just a personality conflict?
Either way, not easy, but if there are violations of an agreement you have a better leg to stand on.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:08 PM   #9
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Have done it 3 times in the past...
1. don't do it alone. Have a co-manager with you.
2. Have a written copy of your lease rules/contract to reference.
3. Give the specific reason(s) and point out the violation(s) in the rules
4. I do it at the end of the lease year unless it is an immediate termination offense.

5. Give them the standard time to get personal equipment/gear off the property. After that time has passed they need to understand that if they tresspass onto the property, that they will be filed on for criminal tresspass.


If you don't have a written set of rules/contract, Good luck. Hope it goes well for you. If it does get ugly, escort the offender off the property and change the locks on the gate/access to the property immediately and notify all other members... (in writing).
It's never easy! This is solid advice on how to make it happen. Depending on the situation you may also want to explain the situation to the landowner in case they try to contact them. Good luck!
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:13 PM   #10
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We have done it before and the last time bit us. They one who was kicked off turned around and offered the land owner (LO) more money with another group. He also told the LO all kinds off stories and we all got kicked off and he moved his group in....


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Old 09-10-2021, 02:13 PM   #11
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Don’t do it before the end of season so they don’t shoot their way out of there.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:18 PM   #12
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Around here.....The most common reason for a member being removed is killing the biggest deer on the lease two years in a row. I dont know how your agreement reads but most have a disclaimer that members can vecremoved at the managers discretion.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:28 PM   #13
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Around here.....The most common reason for a member being removed is killing the biggest deer on the lease two years in a row. I dont know how your agreement reads but most have a disclaimer that members can vecremoved at the managers discretion.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:30 PM   #14
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Around here.....The most common reason for a member being removed is killing the biggest deer on the lease two years in a row. I dont know how your agreement reads but most have a disclaimer that members can vecremoved at the managers discretion.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:31 PM   #15
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:34 PM   #16
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yeah after the season we found out a member killed an extra trophy buck and didn't tell anyone. the lease agreement was for one trophy each. as soon as we found out i told him, so that was pretty straightforward. he had to settle up with the landowner too, and he was not happy. but he created the situation.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:38 PM   #17
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Subscribed. I got put in charge of our place last year. Fortunately we have a great group and hope to never have to do this but will be good to be prepared.

i had the same, and was very disappointed in how some people act around killing deer lol
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:45 PM   #19
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I have had to do it a few times. It does not matter how you handle it. In their minds you will always be the bad guy. I would just suggest having someone with you. Tell the straight forward and then don't worry or think about it again.

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Old 09-10-2021, 02:45 PM   #20
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Have done it 3 times in the past...
1. don't do it alone. Have a co-manager with you.
2. Have a written copy of your lease rules/contract to reference.
3. Give the specific reason(s) and point out the violation(s) in the rules
4. I do it at the end of the lease year unless it is an immediate termination offense.

5. Give them the standard time to get personal equipment/gear off the property. After that time has passed they need to understand that if they tresspass onto the property, that they will be filed on for criminal tresspass.


If you don't have a written set of rules/contract, Good luck. Hope it goes well for you. If it does get ugly, escort the offender off the property and change the locks on the gate/access to the property immediately and notify all other members... (in writing).

This is sound advice, Have had to do this several times. Wait until the season is over as another said above. You need to have written rules just for this kind of situation. Good Luck
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:50 PM   #21
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I would recommend changing out all locks in camp/gates as well.. Never know these days
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:51 PM   #22
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just had to do it.

First he tried to make excuses and cry that he wont do those things again. That didnt work so then came the tantrum. Sorry, but you got to go. He got plenty of time to get his stuff off.

We came back a month later to check things out for the new year, and he had damaged some of the stands and feeders and took some more I guess he liked to balance the tally sheet in his way of thinking.

Take someone else with you is really good advice.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:55 PM   #23
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After he's gone change all locks.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:59 PM   #24
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This is sound advice, Have had to do this several times. Wait until the season is over as another said above. You need to have written rules just for this kind of situation. Good Luck
You darn mean ole slave driver you! 🤣

But yes, rules are rules! Depending on the offense it may warrant immediate removal. I ramrodded a lease for several years and fortunately only had to kick a member off 1 time. I simply told him he wasnít invited back, that we were going in a different direction and when we needed all his stuff gone.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:02 PM   #25
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Do y'all have a train station on your lease?
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:03 PM   #26
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"Everyone discussed it and voted, we don't think you're a good fit for the lease anymore."

This is always done after season so they don't shoot up the place but with plenty of time to get their stuff off before you go showing it to new people.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:09 PM   #27
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Make sure the season is over. Our group told someone on the last day of the season so he could take his stuff then as he lived a long ways from the lease. He shot two big bucks on the way out of the ranch. Another of the group saw him drive into the locker in the nearest town with the bucks in his truck. Never an easy task. Good Luck!
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:09 PM   #28
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It can get really tough especially when it is one of your closest friends! For me it ended up in a very broken relationship for 21 yrs but all is good now! New locks and firm out date are a must!
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:10 PM   #29
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Does he know he is a PIA? Has anyone given him “the talk” or in some people it’s a waist of time.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:10 PM   #30
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With a full season ahead, had he been given any warning and see how the year plays out?

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I know at some point, some of you guys have had to have told someone they werenít welcome back on a lease for the next season. Thereís a chance I may have to do that next year with one thatís just always creating drama. How have yíall done it in the past, for those of you that have? Just tell them they arenít welcome back and they have whatever amount of time to get their stuff out?


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Old 09-10-2021, 03:11 PM   #31
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So your going to have an opening?
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:17 PM   #32
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:31 PM   #33
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I know at some point, some of you guys have had to have told someone they werenít welcome back on a lease for the next season. Thereís a chance I may have to do that next year with one thatís just always creating drama. How have yíall done it in the past, for those of you that have? Just tell them they arenít welcome back and they have whatever amount of time to get their stuff out?


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Okay, am I the only one wanting to know more about the drama?

It's not rocket surgery. Are you the lease manager, or do you have one? Just tell him he has tinkled in your Wheaties one too many times, and y'all want him gone.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:33 PM   #34
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We do have written rules and heís violated several in the past and been talked to about it. I just donít see it getting any better. Heís my friend so that makes it tough but Iím afraid heís not going to get any better. Iím definitely waiting until after season so weíll see how this season goes. Just planning now for the worst in case it comes to that.


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Old 09-10-2021, 03:39 PM   #35
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We had one member cut up the land owners lounge chairs to sh*t out of. Everyone was upset, luckily the land owner was happy we replaced them. We just asked him not to come back the following year and another member bought his stands and feeders. He knew he screwed up and owned up to it. Mess with my stuff fine, but the land owner's that's a different story.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:39 PM   #36
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It is always tough but honesty is the best policy. I just say sorry but you are not welcome get your crap and go. If they ask why be honest and straight forward.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:43 PM   #37
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I’ve been managing a lease since 1989. I’ve had to tell a handful they had to go. I think 3 were immediately removed. A couple others I told at the end of the season. I have written rules though. If they didn’t have their stuff off the lease by March 1st it no longer belongs to them. I’ve had a guy get fighting mad and another cry, but a hunting lease ain’t the place for constant drama from someone. When it becomes addition by subtraction you know you’re making the right decision, and everyone left is better off.



You just have to tell them how it is. They don’t have to like it. It sucks but it has to be done
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:20 PM   #38
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We had to kick the land owners son off!
He would move hunting spots during the week and not tell anyone! Setting up to close to others!
He killed little deer and he drank to much!
Not everyone gets it!
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:30 PM   #39
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Heís your friend but apparently not a member here!!!
I would just send him a certified letter saying his part of the lease is not going to be up for renewal. Next sentence would be you have 30 days from the receipt of this letter to remove any personal belongings. Thatís it!!! I wouldnít bring anything else into it.
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:41 PM   #40
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I had a lease for 18 years in Runnels Co. In that time I let a couple different guys pay for a spot. I had to oust both of them eventually, one after one season, the other after three seasons. It wasn’t hard, I just told them to find another place to hunt. They did.
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:52 PM   #41
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Around here.....The most common reason for a member being removed is killing the biggest deer on the lease two years in a row. I dont know how your agreement reads but most have a disclaimer that members can vecremoved at the managers discretion.
This actually happens and more than one would think... Especially on leases that allow bowhunting.. If the lease boss doesn't bowhunt there will be problems.. "Drama" is coming..
Jealousy is a nasty trait to posess for some.
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:03 PM   #42
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I have had to ask some people to get gone for splitting a lease spot with a family member or friend, and one for having a mouthy wife ( she was the drama starter ) , I would ask him to
Leave ASAP so the drama doesn’t elevate
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:08 PM   #43
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100%. Correct do not pussyfoot around the matter like tearing off a bandage
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:32 PM   #44
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Iíve been managing a lease since 1989. Iíve had to tell a handful they had to go. I think 3 were immediately removed. A couple others I told at the end of the season. I have written rules though. If they didnít have their stuff off the lease by March 1st it no longer belongs to them. Iíve had a guy get fighting mad and another cry, but a hunting lease ainít the place for constant drama from someone. When it becomes addition by subtraction you know youíre making the right decision, and everyone left is better off.



You just have to tell them how it is. They donít have to like it. It sucks but it has to be done
This sums it up - no need to meet in person because that will just be more drama - email him and tell him why (so you have it in writing) because if he did what you said he did then he knows he broke the rules - good luck
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:45 PM   #45
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I have only booted one in 40 yrs of leasing.The dude was a member here until he threatened a few TBH’rs He was stalking a member here at his place of business. (But hurt in the politics forum).��He was just one of those guys that ruined the deer camp atmosphere.Mofo was a drama queen deluxe!I gave him the gate on the last day.��

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Old 09-10-2021, 05:46 PM   #46
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No wonder I have been a solo hunter for 98% of my hunts...my head is a 'no-drama zone' when hunting.....(literally one hunt with a friend). Make sure you RECORD this crap, on your phone or any other method. You want PROOF of what went down.....either days or years later when you know they will eventually run their mouth and try to down your rep. And also curious as the reason......was he a Biden voter ??....

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Old 09-10-2021, 06:18 PM   #47
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This actually happens and more than one would think... Especially on leases that allow bowhunting.. If the lease boss doesn't bowhunt there will be problems.. "Drama" is coming..
Jealousy is a nasty trait to posess for some.
I wasn't kidding. New guy gets on lease. He gets the old nasty thick pasture noone wants to hunt. Thats where the big deer hang out in daylight but noone bothers hunting that mess. New guy does his housework and puts in a couple killer setups. Gets deer on camera noone knew existed . Kills a monster. Find a reason to run him off. Next year owners son or lease managers dad have that spot.

I know a guy that absolutely lost 3 leases in 4 years for exactly that. He killed 4 studs though.

I know that's not the case here but it absolutely happens.
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Old 09-10-2021, 06:29 PM   #48
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We have done it before and the last time bit us. They one who was kicked off turned around and offered the land owner (LO) more money with another group. He also told the LO all kinds off stories and we all got kicked off and he moved his group in....


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That would suck!
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That would suck!
My Drama Queen tried that but I am close friends w the landowner😇
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