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Old 08-17-2021, 06:00 PM   #1
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...than mechanicals is the name of the article that I read today in Field & Stream. It was a good article and I have to say after 17 years of shooting mechanicals and then moving to fixed blades, I agree with much of what is said in the article. Interesting read....

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Old 08-17-2021, 06:06 PM   #2
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Tamato… tomato!!! Agree to disagree as that argument will never go away. I do love my rage extreme. Never had a failure or lost an animal

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Old 08-17-2021, 06:09 PM   #3
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Nah. I love my rage extreme. Never had a failure or lost an animal
Did you read the article? It wasn't a mechanical bashing article. I used mechanicals for 17 years and killed countless animals with them. That's not the point of the article.
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After decades and countless studies, reviews and anecdotal evidence, it has become the the Chevy vs Ford argument of the archery world.
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Pretty good article. Back years ago when Expandable/mechanical broadheads were cheaper, it was cost effective. Now? Its much more worth it to use Fixed blades or at the very least replaceable blade broadheads. Shoot, resharpen, shoot, resharpen etc
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At least in the article they link to the study that shows a consistent higher recovery rate on deer with mechanicals.......
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After decades and countless studies, reviews and anecdotal evidence, it has become the the Chevy vs Ford argument of the archery world.
I’m a fixed fan myself…. But I don’t think there are any Broadheads manufactured with only one running light.

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Old 08-17-2021, 08:13 PM   #8
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If you’re shooting over a 475 grain arrow upwards of 280 FPS penetration with a mechanical probably won’t be an issue. The article didn’t mention various arrow weights, speed or KE so it sounds like a test I can perform. Which wouldn’t be very scientific lol.


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Old 08-17-2021, 08:41 PM   #9
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Something that a lot of these tests don’t take into consideration is a well tuned bow.

I was the shop manager for one of the busier Mathews dealers in DFW for 2 years and I’d often have people tell me that they never broadhead tuned or even checked point of impact when it came to mechanicals. They just screwed em on and away they went.

For fixed blade heads, they seem to require a little bit more diligent shooter in making sure they tune right, have enough fletching (especially for the bigger heads), have enough poundage, etc. but even mechanicals won’t cover up everything on a bad tuned bow.

Personally, I shoot Grim reapers out of my compound and Simmons land sharks out of my recurve. The whitetail specials and whitetail extremes required a little bit of tuning to hit with field tips, but that’s normal for me with fixed blade heads. If I get a bullethole on a paper tune, then fixed blade heads tend to shoot about an inch to the right of field tips. But that’s also why I say paper tuning is just a starting point as well. Bareshaft tuning is always gonna result in the best tune because the fletchings don’t have to do any correction of the arrow. (DISCLAIMER: This is if your form and grip are good enough!!!) But even then some big fixed blades will require tuning. If they don’t spin true they aren’t gonna fly worth a ****.

But with all that said, I’m also a long draw guy. I shoot a 31.5 inch draw length and 70lbs. I’m shooting a 520gr arrow in the 290s out of my Traverse. Only time I haven’t gotten a pass through was when I hit the spine last year on a quartering away shot. If I was to use a fixed blade head, all that energy would go towards killin earthworms.

And I’m not saying I would take a shot out past 60, but I know guys who do regularly. A mechanical is going to be more forgiving of form and wind drift. But use em for what they are, not a bandaid for an untuned bow!

This article is getting dated but it’s interesting nonetheless. I feel like a lot of mechanicals on the market have improved, but there’s still a lotta junk out there.

http://www.seafwa.org/26Pedersen_et_al_163-166.pdf

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Old 08-17-2021, 10:01 PM   #10
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Did you read the article? It wasn't a mechanical bashing article. I used mechanicals for 17 years and killed countless animals with them. That's not the point of the article.
I read most of it. I’m not bashing fixed blades as I do shoot Kudu heads also.
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Old 08-17-2021, 10:32 PM   #11
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I’ve never tried mechanicals since my trusty 25yr old Thunderheads have yet to fail me. I don’t fix what’s not broken......
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Perhaps the article should have been re-titled:
"Fixed Blade Broadheads are Better than Mechanical Broadheads (for shooting into cow ribs). And Here's the Proof:"

The author offers no proof that fixed blade broadheads improve the likelihood of deer recovery over mechanicals...
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:45 PM   #13
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Fixed blades are better? Define better.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:54 PM   #14
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Fixed blades are better? Define better.
Just the name of the article...
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Fixed blades are better? Define better.
A field and stream journalist said so…

I shoot fixed blades in my compound. I think they are “better” for my setup because I am only shooting 60 lbs.
I shoot mechanicals in my crossbow because 2”+ cut at 400 fps is devastating.
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Perhaps the article should have been re-titled:
"Fixed Blade Broadheads are Better than Mechanical Broadheads (for shooting into cow ribs). And Here's the Proof:"

The author offers no proof that fixed blade broadheads improve the likelihood of deer recovery over mechanicals...

I’d say finding all those mechanical Broadheads in the deer shot with rifles is pretty good proof.


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Old 08-24-2021, 10:02 PM   #17
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I prefer fixed blades when elk hunting mostly because blades seem to rattle out etc.. when in rough country hunting on foot. Hunting stands in Texas mechanicals work great.
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I like both. Fixed blades can’t compete with the devastation of a mechanical though.
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I like both. Fixed blades can’t compete with the devastation of a mechanical though.
Mehh

Take a 2” mechanical…. It has 2” of cutting

A simple slick trick mag… 1 1/8” has 2 1/4” of blood spurting trama. And it’s a square slug hole that gaps open if closed the other way
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I’d like to see proof of all those deer shot with mechanical broad heads inside
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Take a 2” mechanical…. It has 2” of cutting

A simple slick trick mag… 1 1/8” has 2 1/4” of blood spurting trama. And it’s a square slug hole that gaps open if closed the other way

A picture is worth a 1000 words. 3 blade whitetail special. I like big nasty mechanicals for deer and fixed for elk and up.



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You can’t shoot a mule deer with a whitetail special! Lol

That’s like wearing Nike socks and under armor shoes
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That’s like wearing Nike socks and under armor shoes
Lmao! I do wear under armour shorts and reeboks
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Old 08-25-2021, 09:11 AM   #24
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I have mostly used fixed blades, when I did a lot of bow hunting. I tried mechanical broadheads for two or three seasons. I never recovered a mechanical that was of much use, after being shot into a critter. The concept of mechanicals is good. They can work great, but they can result in major malfunctions. They seem to either work like they are designed to and give great results or they hit bone or something, just right and don't work for crap. I only used mechanicals back in the mid 90s, I am sure there are some better designs out there now. It would take a very good design to be greatly improved over the broadheads I used years ago. The two big issues I see, are the blades getting ripped off and or bent and twisted, when they hit bone. Then if they hit the wrong spot at the wrong angle, they likely won't penetrate much at all, if the blades are strong enough to not get ripped off.

During those two or three seasons, I used mechanicals. I tried two different mechanicals. I don't have any idea what they were. They were just bent twisted and ripped pieces of junk after I shot them. I did have some good kills with them on a couple of occasions.

After the two years I used mechanicals, and recovered every arrow I shot. I concluded that they were not as reliable as I wanted. Yes fixed blade broad heads have their problems also. I have had fixed blade broadheads hit one small twig and make 45 degree direction changes instantly. That has stuck in my mind ever since.
I love shooting rabbits with field tips and blunts. It was fun shooting rabbits, I did not have to worry about a broad head catching a twig and making a drastic flight path change. I shot through very heavy brush all the time, seldom had a arrow deflected. I did a couple times, out of many shots, was not a big deal. Most of my rabbit hunting was in very thick brush down south. I killed a lot of rabbits in that brush. But then when I would see deer or pig I wanted to shoot, I would be using broadheads. So that changed things quite a bit. I then had to be very aware of twigs, limbs, ECT. There have been a lot of shots, I have not taken, because I was not sure, a broadhead was going to get past a limb or twig without hitting it and deflecting. Basically hunting with broadheads, definitely adds more ways things can go wrong.

In all my years of bow hunting, I only had one fix blade broadhead get deflected by a twig. That caused me to be very aware of twigs and brush, in the arrows flight path.

Mechanicals, if you make shots only through the rib cage, can work very well. Many occasions, I have had the opportunity to shoot a deer, or pig, but was never given a good broadside shot. On those occasions, I don't want a mechanical. When the mechanicals work like they are designed to, they are definitely impressive. Until the miracle mechanical comes out, I am going too stick to simple and reliable. If you put the arrow in the right spot, a common fixed blade, will kill quickly. It would be nice to shoot a broadhead, that would fly like a field tip.

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Old 08-25-2021, 10:48 AM   #25
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A picture is worth a 1000 words. 3 blade whitetail special. I like big nasty mechanicals for deer and fixed for elk and up.



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Now that’s what I’m talking about.



For record, I shoot both for this very reason. And I have a setup that I can
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Just a personal preference based around their own personal experiences. I first shot fixed, but then wanted a part of the mechanical hype! I started shooting grim reaper whitetail specials mainly for the filed point accuracy and large cut.

Unfortunately, my first animal to try them on was a buck down on the Chaparral about 6 years ago after being drawn for the archery hunt. 25 yd shot at last light. Not sure what happened, but the buck ran off with my arrow in his shoulder, and it fell out 100 yds or so away. Found the arrow and only got about 3" of penetration. Never found the deer.

Needless to say that was the last time I shot them. I switched to Ramcats soon after and have never not had a pass through and never not killed the deer. Who knows, if my first experience would have been better, I may still be shooting mechanicals today.
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Old 08-25-2021, 11:21 AM   #27
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In a tuned bow/arrow I don't think there is much difference. IMO, in an untuned bow/arrow both have their shortcoming. Face it many people have a hard time having a perfect arrow flight due to tuning, form, or both. For those people mechanical is more likely to hit where you aim with less penetration and a fixed will get better penetration but not as close to where you aim if arrow flight isn't perfect. Still a pick your poison...
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Now that’s what I’m talking about.



For record, I shoot both for this very reason. And I have a setup that I can
Key works for the big mechanicals You need a heavy arrow shot from serious draw weight. Hybrids are the best of both worlds. In the end all that matters is shot placement.
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In the end all that matters is shot placement.
And in the end, just about every animal is moving by the time the arrow arrives so shot placement is not guaranteed.
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So fixed are better for shooting through a calf. Rage xtreme work pretty good on deer.
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And in the end, just about every animal is moving by the time the arrow arrives so shot placement is not guaranteed.
Lol. With proper setup and knowing when to shoot this eliminates the “jump string factor”. I’ve shot probably 150 animals and have had 1 doe possibly “jump the string” causing a miss.
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this horse is dead after hundreds of articles failing to prove either is 'better'.
Shot placement + practice. No one is guaranteed anything when using bows/arrows.
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I wonder if the indians sat around arguing if flint or obsidian was better...
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Lol. With proper setup and knowing when to shoot this eliminates the “jump string factor”. I’ve shot probably 150 animals and have had 1 doe possibly “jump the string” causing a miss.
I'm not necessarily saying jumping the string to cause a miss. I'm just saying moving, they may only get an inch of movement before the arrow gets there but more times than not they are moving.
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I bet they did lol
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I'm not necessarily saying jumping the string to cause a miss. I'm just saying moving, they may only get an inch of movement before the arrow gets there but more times than not they are moving.
Understood. I try and shoot when they not moving (eating/drinking/looking away). Ideal is when they have no clue what hit them Moving shots are tough and require lots of practice and experience.
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I’ve killed a lot of deer with mechanicals, 99% of time work perfect and leave a crazy hole. It will only take one time to ruin it all. I’m going back to fixed this season and excited. It took some very fine tuning but I have my fixed flying true to my field points out to 60 right now. Hurry up Season!
If you guys haven’t seen this video, watch Waddell have a mechanical bounce off a Booner Buck, might help your decision on whatever you chose.
Shot is around the 1:59 mark
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I’ve killed a lot of deer with mechanicals, 99% of time work perfect and leave a crazy hole. It will only take one time to ruin it all. I’m going back to fixed this season and excited. It took some very fine tuning but I have my fixed flying true to my field points out to 60 right now. Hurry up Season!
If you guys haven’t seen this video, watch Waddell have a mechanical bounce off a Booner Buck, might help your decision on whatever you chose.
Shot is around the 1:59 mark
https://youtu.be/w2oiQtMZJ94
Had a very similar experience years ago with a rage hypo. Have now switched to Grim Reaper and their tips are designed to continue penetrating and not get deflected. Heck I've seen a 7mag bullet get deflected off a deer!
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Had a very similar experience years ago with a rage hypo. Have now switched to Grim Reaper and their tips are designed to continue penetrating and not get deflected. Heck I've seen a 7mag bullet get deflected off a deer!
I killed buck in my profile pic and about ten other bucks with Rage Hypo, all pass through amazing blood trail, like throwing an axe through a deer. Had a bad experience with Grim Reaper on the only buck I shot with one. He died within 100 yards but horrible penetration, poor blood and all blades did not open.

At the end of the day it’s all about what you’re confident in. If I can get a big cut diameter fixed head to fly Exactly the same as a mechanical it’s a no brainer for me.
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I, like many others, have tried the Rage hype train out for myself, with varying results. I lost confidence in them and now shoot Grim Reaper. I love fixed blades, but I have yet to find one that leaves a good blood trail. The Hell Razor by NAP flies better than any other broadhead in my toolkit. I just wish it left a decent blood trail. The Silver flames may be worth considering.
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Grim Reapers make monster holes and I've never had one fail. Having said that I only use them in windy conditions where there's not much risk of brush or grass getting in the way. Normally I'll reach for a plain old Slick Trick for the best all around head for general use. Having a tuned bow is important to be able to switch back and forth and shoot what you want for the conditions, not to mention getting the best performance out of the bow.

As for the jumping the string stuff, we primarily hunt Amistad and save for a doe I walked up on in 25+ mph sustained winds and a buck that was sound asleep I've never had a deer still in the same spot from when I shot to when the arrow arrived, those deer are insanely spooky. Over the years I've probably had 5 bucks straight up completely dodge an arrow between 12 and 35 yards. The deer at 12 was about to fight another buck and had it's head down, when I release I swear his belly hit the ground like Bambi on ice as the arrow went right over his back. I also had a broadside doe twist away from an arrow, arrow went exactly where I aimed but she rotated out and away so fast her chest wasn't there anymore.
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I’d like to see proof of all those deer shot with mechanical broad heads inside

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I was wondering when someone was going to say it!!!
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