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Old 01-03-2016, 09:50 AM   #1
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Default Militia occupies building and Malheur National Forest in Oregon

Just heard about this. Some of the same people from the Bundy Ranch standoff involved as well. Tensions got pretty high last time.
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:05 AM   #2
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Oh silly welfare ranchers...
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:55 AM   #3
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Protesting the arrest of poachers?
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:02 AM   #4
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Not really sure what they realistically plan to accomplish with this. And the dude showing up in full multicams and knee pads and all? Bit ridiculous
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They're Idiots, playing right into o's hands. UFB
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:25 AM   #6
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I am having a hard time figuring out who is protesting what? Feds are saying a rancher and his son set a fire to cover up their poaching and they were found guilty and are being sent to prison. Some of the locals and anti-government folks think the feds are trying to grab land. Huh?

I think our group of resident "barely containing themselves, ready to stand shoulder to shoulder to fight the vast anti-Merica conspiracy" steely eyed heroes need head out there and get this mess straightened out.
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a bunch of uninformed idiots playing follow the leader
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:37 AM   #8
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I am having a hard time figuring out who is protesting what? Feds are saying a rancher and his son set a fire to cover up their poaching and they were found guilty and are being sent to prison. Some of the locals and anti-government folks think the feds are trying to grab land. Huh?

I think our group of resident "barely containing themselves, ready to stand shoulder to shoulder to fight the vast anti-Merica conspiracy" steely eyed heroes need head out there and get this mess straightened out.
Lol I'm with ya on that
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:44 AM   #9
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I read this on Fox News, they are protesting cause they already served their time one guy in his 70's son in his 40's then a federal judge decided they weren't sentenced for long enough and wants them to serve another 5 years starting tomorrow.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:46 AM   #10
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Here's the link

Armed protesters occupying national wildlife refuge building vow long stay
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I am having a hard time figuring out who is protesting what? Feds are saying a rancher and his son set a fire to cover up their poaching and they were found guilty and are being sent to prison. Some of the locals and anti-government folks think the feds are trying to grab land. Huh?
I thought they were protesting Black Lives Matter with all those anti-BLM signs
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:04 PM   #12
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I read this on Fox News, they are protesting cause they already served their time one guy in his 70's son in his 40's then a federal judge decided they weren't sentenced for long enough and wants them to serve another 5 years starting tomorrow.
I could see being ****** off about that
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:30 PM   #13
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Just think what you would be saying about all these "from my cold dead hand" types on these forums after the media reports their slanted views.

On the gun forums you read they ain't takin my guns all the time. Each little isolated pocket will be treated just the same as this.

These may or may not be lunies, but look how quick people are to jump to that conclusion.
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:41 PM   #14
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I could see being ****** off about that
I agree - it seems unfair. I am not understanding what the protesters would like the have happen? From what I've read, the original sentencing judge made a mistake in assessing the sentence.
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Why do these stories always involve the BLM?

I guess I don't understand their jurisdiction and what they're doing that constantly keeps everyone getting tee'd off
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The BLM is nothing but a federal land grabbing agency. They turn private property into federal property with bully tactics and corruption. They have lots of foreign interest. I wonder why?
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Old 01-04-2016, 06:56 PM   #17
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...y-persecution/


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Old 01-04-2016, 07:02 PM   #18
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Read the links posted to understand the situation better. The family has been railroaded by the feds for a long time.
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They're not "welfare ranchers'. They burned 130 acres of scrub, invasive, non-native plants that were on land next to their ranch to prevent it from seeding and ruining their cattle feeding. That's the issue and their crime.

I used to drive through that area (Burns) going elk hunting in eastern Oregon. The SE corner of the state is high desert and pretty ugly land- not a national park by any stretch of the imagination.
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They're not "welfare ranchers'. They burned 130 acres of scrub, invasive, non-native plants that were on land next to their ranch to prevent it from seeding and ruining their cattle feeding. That's the issue and their crime.

I used to drive through that area (Burns) going elk hunting in eastern Oregon. The SE corner of the state is high desert and pretty ugly land- not a national park by any stretch of the imagination.
Exactly! No evidence of poaching was ever presented. No double jeopardy in this country. They served the time they were sentenced to. Complete BS that the Feds say they have to serve more after the fact. Amazing all the criminals this government wants to let out of prison but they want these guys put back in.
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Two different families, read that the ones having to serve time again really don't want the Bundy guy involved. Bunch of yahoos anyway
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Two different families, read that the ones having to serve time again really don't want the Bundy guy involved. Bunch of yahoos anyway
I don't think anyone who stands up to an obvious corrupt government is a Yahoo. Research the BLM. There are many reasons the people are fed up with them.
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Old 01-04-2016, 08:14 PM   #23
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But you have armed men/women taking over a federal building.
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Old 01-04-2016, 08:18 PM   #24
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The Hammonds (folks in Oregon) want nothing to do with the Bundy Militia group.........for some reason Bundy is pushing for a fight that he thinks will bring people to his cause..........................NOT!
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Old 01-04-2016, 08:19 PM   #25
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Two different families, read that the ones having to serve time again really don't want the Bundy guy involved. Bunch of yahoos anyway
The ranchers, Dwight Hammond, 73, and son Steven, 46, turned themselves in today for the prison sentence & thru their spokesman claim the Militias don't speak for them

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Still very crappy that they are headed back to jail. If you read the entire background of them having to sue federal government several times to get to their water and cattle grazing grounds. It really makes it sound like a trumped up BS charge.
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But you have armed men/women taking over a federal building.
I don't agree with what they are doing but have you seen the federal building they took over? It is a remote shack at best. Media makes it sound like the pentagon.
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I don't agree with what they are doing but have you seen the federal building they took over? It is a remote shack at best. Media makes it sound like the pentagon.
I know, but still they ain't right, the Bundy guy.
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these people are complete idiots... and should be dealt with by authority..
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I don't agree with what they are doing but........
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Media has blew it out of proportion. A family homesteaded thousands of acres that the government came and took from them years and years ago to turn into a wildlife refuge. A big prairie fire started And Burnt the animal refuge and the ranchers place including his house and others on the ranch. He started a back fire to stop the original fire that started and the government arrested the man and boy said to have started the whole fire when a lighting strike started it. I know this first hand from a good friend I work with as this is part of his family. This fight has been going on for years now with the government after they took the land flooded there houses out and ran off over 200,000 head of cattle of theirs.
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Read the links posted to understand the situation better. The family has been railroaded by the feds for a long time.
Wasn't the govt trying to buy their ranch and they refused? Been railroaded ever since it seems.

Big BS story about the sentences. Going back after the time was served and adding more time is BS.
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Oh silly welfare ranchers...

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Wasn't the govt trying to buy their ranch and they refused? Been railroaded ever since it seems.

Big BS story about the sentences. Going back after the time was served and adding more time is BS.
There was a mandatory MINIMUM sentence, which original judge thought was cruel and unusual punishment for length of sentence, so he changed it to several months to a year, which was served.

Fed prosecutor did not like length of sentence, appealed to higher court and won. Much lengthier sentences this time.

Or something to this effect. Going by article I read this morning.
BS on many levels.
And the father/son are distancing themselves from the "rioters".
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There was a mandatory MINIMUM sentence, which original judge thought was cruel and unusual punishment for length of sentence, so he changed it to several months to a year, which was served.

Fed prosecutor did not like length of sentence, appealed to higher court and won. Much lengthier sentences this time.

Or something to this effect. Going by article I read this morning.
BS on many levels.
And the father/son are distancing themselves from the "rioters".
They are being charged as terrorists thus the minimum 5 year sentence. All for starting a backfire on their own land.
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If you read the article they also did a prescribed burn that jumped the fence line and burned 1xx acres of blm land. Blm is saying they did that on purpose as well. I would be ashamed if my governor ,state Rep , congressman etc was standing by watching this happen. It makes me think maybe there is more to the story........ things are written for one side or the other.
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BLM is full of crooks & thieves. Study up on just how many long standing family ranchers it's screwed over the years. Some of these families were FORCED to give up their land that their family had been ranching since the 1800's. The BLM needs to be governed & instead they just run free. They've been sued by ranchers many times & have lost many times yet they still run rampant. Courts ruling for ranchers, against the BLM, so many times should be a huge red flag.
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Still very crappy that they are headed back to jail. If you read the entire background of them having to sue federal government several times to get to their water and cattle grazing grounds. It really makes it sound like a trumped up BS charge.
Correct!

The Feds burn 1/3 of the ANWR here in TX every year, its 155k acres. And their fires have gotten out of control and burned neighboring ranches. That's a lot of terrorism some federal employees need to be serving that mandatory 5yr jail sentence. It's also kind of ironic. The records of the government leasing, and not buying, Madagorda Island were lost, "one day there was a fire". Just saying.

Those fires were nothing more than brush control, not terrorism.

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congratulations on posting the stupidest thing I've read all day.

makes absolutely no sense.....



You want a government that comes in and takes what they want?
Move your *** to Russia, China, Mexico, practically anywhere else.

It's pretty clear you have no idea what the founders of this country believed in.
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Mullet fail!!
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Naaaaa! I'm good with my slick top!
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