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Old 05-29-2020, 11:40 AM   #1
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Default DEF in my diesel fuel.

Terrible day so far. We left the house at 3AM heading to Orange Beach Alabama. Got distracted while pumping fuel and put DEF in my tank. Drove 3.5 miles and my check engine light game on and went into low power mode. I realized what I did then and shut it off, right before I shut it down a message came up on screen that the fuel pressure was low.

I had it towed to a mechanic. Heís dropping the tank and reversing the lines and replacing all the fuel filters. He said we should know something in about 5 hours.

So what are the odds I get off with this or have to go into the injectors? Iím literally sick right now.
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:41 AM   #2
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:41 AM   #3
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Hate to tell you this but odds aren't good.
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:52 AM   #4
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I'm hoping for you, but my guess is Zero.
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:53 AM   #5
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:53 AM   #6
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Ahh man, hoping the best for you, but if the DEF hit the pump, that's no good...sorry to rain on your parade.
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:53 AM   #7
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Not good at all def crystallizes in the fuel system causing all kinds of issues I have seen it go both ways tho some very lucky (caught it before starting) some not lucky at all $$$$$$ can get very expensive in a hurry Cp4 injectors high pressure lines labor etc might check with your insurance before paying out a big amount.
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I’m gonna give you better odds that the filters caught it. Reason for the low fuel pressure. I’m gonna say change the filters drain the tank and refill and you will be back on the road.
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Your insurance company will cover the cost on these repairs or a large portion. I have had to replace lines, pumps, injectors and even engines in these cases. I would contact your insurance company ASAP and get that ball rolling.
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Old 05-29-2020, 11:58 AM   #10
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My best advice (straight from my mechanic) is to get it running again and go straight to the dealer and trade it in for another vehicle. Even draining the tank and changing all the lines you can't be a 100% sure you got it all out.
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Old 05-29-2020, 12:00 PM   #11
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Yeah thats a bugger. I bought a slightly used truck and after driving 20 miles from the dealer, same thing happened. Either the dealership or previous owner put def in the fuel tank. They just drained the tank and changed filters. After putting it in the shop, I was quoted 12k for a complete replacement of the fuel system. Called the dealership I bought from and said come pick it up, I dont want it anymore. Hope the same is not the case for you.
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Old 05-29-2020, 12:01 PM   #12
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Default DEF in my diesel fuel.

Hello new fuel system (about $12K-$14K)


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Old 05-29-2020, 12:03 PM   #13
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Where is that picture taken? Hankamer??
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Well there's a kick in the nuts. Everyone involved in the idea, design and engineering of def should publicly strung up. What a way to start a vacation.
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When something that easy can destroy a 70K viehicle....why do the manufactures still put the holes so close together?
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I'll keep my fingers crossed that it works out in your favor.
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Old 05-29-2020, 12:11 PM   #18
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Your insurance company will cover the cost on these repairs or a large portion. I have had to replace lines, pumps, injectors and even engines in these cases. I would contact your insurance company ASAP and get that ball rolling.
Just called GEICO, they said Iím covered. Thank you Jesus!
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When something that easy can destroy a 70K viehicle....why do the manufactures still put the holes so close together?
So they can bring them back to the dealership for major repairs, lining those pockets more!
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When something that easy can destroy a 70K viehicle....why do the manufactures still put the holes so close together?
or make the nozzles on the pumps the same size? This could be easily prevented by simple human factors engineering.
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When something that easy can destroy a 70K viehicle....why do the manufactures still put the holes so close together?
When GM put the Def fill under the hood. We still saw clients putting it in their fuel tank.
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Just called GEICO, they said Iím covered. Thank you Jesus!
that usa a releif to hear. stinks the start of your weekend is so crumby. dumb questions from a non diesel owner but what is DEF?
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Man, I am sick for you! I don't drive a diesel but doing what you did would be my biggest fear. Easy mistake to make just not paying close enough attention but there is no incentive for the manufacturers to separate the fill holes to try and prevent it because when this happens, it is their dealer network that reaps the rewards in high repair costs.
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Your insurance company will cover the cost on these repairs or a large portion. I have had to replace lines, pumps, injectors and even engines in these cases. I would contact your insurance company ASAP and get that ball rolling.
Iíve seen them repair the mentioned above when it was due to bad fuel, but never due to pumping DEF into the wrong tank. Have you seen them cover it then? Iím genuinely curious.
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Just called GEICO, they said Iím covered. Thank you Jesus!
That is awesome! Good to know that!
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Iíve seen them repair the mentioned above when it was due to bad fuel, but never due to pumping DEF into the wrong tank. Have you seen them cover it then? Iím genuinely curious.
Yes. I have actually not seen full coverage not cover it. One customer has done it 2 times and they covered it both times. This was in a 3-4 month span.
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that usa a releif to hear. stinks the start of your weekend is so crumby. dumb questions from a non diesel owner but what is DEF?
Diesel Exhaust Fluid. It is injected into the exhaust system to help clean the exhaust exiting the vehicle. This was a government intervention that has killed the diesel world. Anytime the gvt gets involved in the Auto industry it never helps.....
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I guess Chevy putting it under the hoods for a reason

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Old 05-29-2020, 12:31 PM   #29
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Yes. I have actually not seen full coverage not cover it. One customer has done it 2 times and they covered it both times. This was in a 3-4 month span.
LOL, I suspect he was promptly dropped by that ins co shortly after that...

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that usa a releif to hear. stinks the start of your weekend is so crumby. dumb questions from a non diesel owner but what is DEF?
It's a mixture of urea (Urine) diluted with water that sprays into the exhaust pipe to stop the black smoke that gets past the exhaust filter, as well as react to the NOx coming out the tail pipe of the truck, creating water vapor and another compound I can't remember.

Just FYI, word on the street from a friend at Toyota, DEF may be coming to gas trucks in the future. Probably not under this president, but another D yes. Toyota already has a system ready to go is my understanding.
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You are right down the road. Where did they take your truck?
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Dang. Sorry to hear. Hope all gets better.
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Old 05-29-2020, 12:38 PM   #32
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Is the truck under factory warranty? If so and you take it to a dealer they will tell you it needs a new engine or the warranty is voided.
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I've been fighting trailer brakes all day...I'll stop whining now.
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They took it back to Houston. NAB Truck and Auto services.
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Is the truck under factory warranty? If so and you take it to a dealer they will tell you it needs a new engine or the warranty is voided.
So if Geico is covering the claim I should take it to a ford dealer?

Itís at a reputable local shop now, not the Ford house. I was thinking it was going to be out of pocket when I had it towed.
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Why would insurance pay for something like this? Serious question. I can see them paying if I had taken the truck in for service and the lot boy filled the wrong tank up with DEF but if I did it because I was not paying attention?
Not pointing the finger at the OP because I can see how this could happen and I feel bad for him. I just wonder how this would be a legitimate insurance company responsibility?
Can someone explain that one to me?
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Why would insurance pay for something like this? Serious question. I can see them paying if I had taken the truck in for service and the lot boy filled the wrong tank up with DEF but if I did it because I was not paying attention?
Not pointing the finger at the OP because I can see how this could happen and I feel bad for him. I just wonder how this would be a legitimate insurance company responsibility?
Can someone explain that one to me?
I get it. Insurance want even a thought in my head until it was suggested to me. I was prepared for Geico to tell me to go pound sand. They didnít though.
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Your insurance company will cover the cost on these repairs or a large portion. I have had to replace lines, pumps, injectors and even engines in these cases. I would contact your insurance company ASAP and get that ball rolling.
This. Had two customers do it and their insurance company paid for it to the tune of about $25,000 each.
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So if Geico is covering the claim I should take it to a ford dealer?

Itís at a reputable local shop now, not the Ford house. I was thinking it was going to be out of pocket when I had it towed.
A good shop will probably tell you the same thing, I have never done it but know a couple that have. They said the urea will corrode the aluminum, I can't verify that but have been told it several times.
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Why would insurance pay for something like this? Serious question. I can see them paying if I had taken the truck in for service and the lot boy filled the wrong tank up with DEF but if I did it because I was not paying attention?
Not pointing the finger at the OP because I can see how this could happen and I feel bad for him. I just wonder how this would be a legitimate insurance company responsibility?
Can someone explain that one to me?
Unless it was done intentionally they consider it an "other than collision" peril.
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Why would insurance pay for something like this? Serious question. I can see them paying if I had taken the truck in for service and the lot boy filled the wrong tank up with DEF but if I did it because I was not paying attention?
Not pointing the finger at the OP because I can see how this could happen and I feel bad for him. I just wonder how this would be a legitimate insurance company responsibility?
Can someone explain that one to me?
For the same reason if you have a grease fire on your stove that lights your house on fire. It's your fault for creating the grease fire, but insurance is still going to pay out. Then crank up your deductible.

BTW, glad to hear it's covered OP. Now get a rental and get on your way!

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Why would insurance pay for something like this? Serious question. I can see them paying if I had taken the truck in for service and the lot boy filled the wrong tank up with DEF but if I did it because I was not paying attention?
Not pointing the finger at the OP because I can see how this could happen and I feel bad for him. I just wonder how this would be a legitimate insurance company responsibility?
Can someone explain that one to me?
Can't really explain it. But it's kind of like people who flood their cars in a low water crossing. Ins covers that.
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They took it back to Houston. NAB Truck and Auto services.

Ok. Your trailer safe and still at Wallisville? I can come get it and bring it to my house if need be. (Get it off the side of I10)
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Why would insurance pay for something like this? Serious question. I can see them paying if I had taken the truck in for service and the lot boy filled the wrong tank up with DEF but if I did it because I was not paying attention?
Not pointing the finger at the OP because I can see how this could happen and I feel bad for him. I just wonder how this would be a legitimate insurance company responsibility?
Can someone explain that one to me?
Simply put, it was an accident.
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Glad Geico is covering it for you, but curious what coverage this falls under? I would have never expected something like that to be covered.

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Ok. Your trailer safe and still at Wallisville? I can come get it and bring it to my house if need be. (Get it off the side of I10)
Great gesture. I can do the same and bring it to my house in Mont Belvieu if needed.
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Ok. Your trailer safe and still at Wallisville? I can come get it and bring it to my house if need be. (Get it off the side of I10)
What an offer man! Thank you but the fine people at the museum are more than accommodating. Iím waiting on the call from the mechanic. If he gets my truck running that will be prayers answered. If not, Iím going to rent a truck from Enterprise.

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I had something similiar happen to me. I was filling my diesel tank at the gas station and went inside to buy some def. When I came out of the station the diesel tank was full and the handle had shut off. I put the diesel nozzle back in the pump but didn't put the cap back on my tank. I then opened the blue def and put it into my tank. I only put a little in because the tank was full and the def came spilling back out.

Anyway by the time i got home I had engine lights and fuel pressure problems. I pulled the fuel filter by the tank and it was full of def. The filter in the engine compartment only had a trace amount of def in it when I cut it open to check it. I replaced the filters and drove it for a day then changed the filters again. This time there was only a trace amount in the filter by the tank and none in the one in the engine compartment. I replaced the filters again and ran a tank full of fuel through it. When I changed the filters there were no def visible when I let the filters dry in the sun. I ended up driving that truck for several more years and around 50k miles and never had another problem with it.
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What an offer man! Thank you but the fine people at the museum are more than accommodating. Iím waiting on the call from the mechanic. If he gets my truck running that will be prayers answered. If not, Iím going to rent a truck from Enterprise.

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