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Old 01-11-2019, 07:41 AM   #1
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What do you think of this?
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:22 AM   #2
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I don't see a problem with killing sea lions if it means saving the winter steelhead from going extinct. From the article it says they tried barriers and using underwater explosives with no effect. What other methods are left to try?
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:28 AM   #3
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Do they eat good? Lol I mean sell some tags as a hunt, I’m sure somebody has wanted to hunt one.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:30 AM   #4
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No problems here. If they could get hunters to take them, and sell licenses for it, making a little extra money to manage their wildlife better, that would be even better. But I can only imagine what those tree huggers up there would do if they saw that.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:30 AM   #5
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I’d try eating one.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:30 AM   #6
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If they're contemplating regulating the population of the sea lions, they should also look at issuing permits to the public and generate revenue through the hunting/permits to put back into conservation programs rather than having the so called "sharp shooters" take them out with no economical gain. Similar to Mountain Lions in Cali. The lions are illegal to shoot per the Cali hunter yet they have govt "sharp shooters" take them out. Seems a little A** Backwards to me. If the govt is going to regulate populations of any animal they should open it to the public and the cost of permits and licenses should be put back in to various wildlife conservation programs. All in all I'm ok with it as long as there's still a sustainable population for generations to come.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:31 AM   #7
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Good for them.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:35 AM   #8
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I agree with giving hunters a chance to thin the herd. It won't happen though.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:39 AM   #9
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probably not much 'hunting' to it.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:42 AM   #10
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If they're contemplating regulating the population of the sea lions, they should also look at issuing permits to the public and generate revenue through the hunting/permits to put back into conservation programs rather than having the so called "sharp shooters" take them out with no economical gain. Similar to Mountain Lions in Cali. The lions are illegal to shoot per the Cali hunter yet they have govt "sharp shooters" take them out. Seems a little A** Backwards to me. If the govt is going to regulate populations of any animal they should open it to the public and the cost of permits and licenses should be put back in to various wildlife conservation programs. All in all I'm ok with it as long as there's still a sustainable population for generations to come.
x2. I just don't agree with the govt doing any of the removal or controlling, this should be left to the public through license and permit/tag sales.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:42 AM   #11
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I just got back from the area recently, When your salmon fishing 5 miles up river from the pacific,and you see 7 of them in the next 3 miles, they can stand to lose a few. Last year i saw maybe a thousand floating on the kelp beds near shore. They have to take a huge toll on the fishery.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:43 AM   #12
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I agree with giving hunters a chance to thin the herd. It won't happen though.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:48 AM   #13
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Wait till PETA hears about this...
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:53 AM   #14
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This is a bandaid (but potentially an effective one) to a bigger problem for wild salmon and steelhead runs across the Pacific Northwest. Unless the dams come down on the Snake and Columbia, things look very grim for fish populations.

This story talks about legislation to make it easier for states to kill the sea lions.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:59 AM   #15
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probably not much 'hunting' to it.
Maybe, maybe not, but, it would be a conversation piece to have on display at the house.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:59 AM   #16
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Iíd try eating one.
Ditto. Might turn out to be the bacon of the ocean.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:01 AM   #17
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I think they should let nature take its course, if the steelhead goes extinct then that’s what nature intended
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:02 AM   #18
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No problems here. If they could get hunters to take them, and sell licenses for it, making a little extra money to manage their wildlife better, that would be even better. But I can only imagine what those tree huggers up there would do if they saw that.
Just look at the Mountain Lion problem in California to see how this works.


"We have to stop lion hunting! It's barbaric!"

Okay done

"Oh MY God There are mountain lions every where! Someone do something!"

Okay, we will have state agents go out and kill every one they find

"Thank goodness! Thank you State! Now I can go to that anti hunting rally without fear of getting mauled."
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:07 AM   #19
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I think they should let nature take its course, if the steelhead goes extinct then thatís what nature intended
Most of the problems with steelhead and salmon are man caused. The sea lion thing is just a measure to protect what's left. Of course, the argument could be made that man and it's creations are part of the natural course.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:11 AM   #20
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probably not much 'hunting' to it.


Why? Are they high fenced?


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Old 01-11-2019, 09:14 AM   #21
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I think they should let nature take its course, if the steelhead goes extinct then thatís what nature intended
That's not the intention of 'nature' if extinction was caused by dams, human over fishing, the destruction of baitfish populations through commercial fishing, dilution of wild genetics through hatcheries, and (dare I say it?) warming ocean temperatures from all our coal rolling trucks.
You have to include mankind in your definition of nature, or admit that it isn't a natural happening.

I see it this way:

1. declare we are above the system, and not part of the natural order (usually a religious argument, but that begs the question about being good stewards).

Or:

2. decide we are part of the system, in which case we act an awful lot like wild hogs. Just with a much higher tolerance for cold and flying.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:20 AM   #22
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Tags should be issued. Revenue for the State. I agree with most of what has already been said.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:25 AM   #23
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I'm in! Get it mounted standing on its flippers balancing a beachball on its back flippers.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:28 AM   #24
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I'm in! Get it mounted standing on its flippers balancing a beachball on its back flippers.
Now that's something to be done!
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:31 AM   #25
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I think they should let nature take its course, if the steelhead goes extinct then thatís what nature intended
Wrong, this is man's doing not nature. I grew up fishing steelhead on the Clearwater River in Idaho. In the 50's and 60's there were great runs into the Snake, Clearwater, and Salmon River drainages.

Now a fish has to navigate 8 dams on the Columbia and Snake, their associated fish ladders, slack water, sunbathing seals, and the tribes netting them, before it ever hits Idaho water.

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Old 01-11-2019, 09:32 AM   #26
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:33 AM   #27
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x2. I just don't agree with the govt doing any of the removal or controlling, this should be left to the public through license and permit/tag sales.
I agree with you, if they won't make public permits available for purchase then so bit it, that being said I'd rather the public permit 100%. At the end of the day its going to take the Hunters and Conservation programs of that area stepping up to influence the decisions in the future.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:53 AM   #28
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My guess is that the Marine Mammal Protection Act would have to be amended to allow hunts by non-governmental entities or "natives". I've always had a problem with two facets of this act. Number one, what is so special about marine mammals as compared to all other mammals that they cannot be sustainably harvested? Number two, why is it OK for "native peoples" to harvest marine mammals, but nobody else? I thought we were all created equal, or is that just a slogan?
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:07 AM   #29
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My guess is that the Marine Mammal Protection Act would have to be amended to allow hunts by non-governmental entities or "natives". I've always had a problem with two facets of this act. Number one, what is so special about marine mammals as compared to all other mammals that they cannot be sustainably harvested? Number two, why is it OK for "native peoples" to harvest marine mammals, but nobody else? I thought we were all created equal, or is that just a slogan?
Yep, that act would be a huge obstacle to allowing regular folks to kill them.


The natives are a sovereign people and the laws of the US apply to them differently through various treaties, they are basically a different nation.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:14 AM   #30
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Do whatever it takes.

Looks like this place is dang near in city limits of Portland so I don’t see how hunting is possible? Plus who’d kill a sea lion? Lol

We are the primary cause of the steelhead decline so whatever we can do to help is a plus. Unfortunately ****s and other manmade structures along rivers will probably lead to their extinction
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:20 AM   #31
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Admittedly I did not read the article, but did they give a quota to remove?
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:26 AM   #32
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Yep, that act would be a huge obstacle to allowing regular folks to kill them.


The natives are a sovereign people and the laws of the US apply to them differently through various treaties, they are basically a different nation.
Which is a major problem. They have all of the benefits of U.S. citizenship without the taxes and with their own set of laws, which, for the most part, they don't enforce.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:38 AM   #33
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Maybe they'll get something right. And allow hunters to handle it. I'd eat one. Imagine a 600lb full body sea lion to greet people in your living room mounted up on the Fireplace rocks..

Probably be easier to just club the baby ones. They probably taste better too.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:54 AM   #34
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Hippies' heads are exploding all up and down the Left coast right now.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:05 AM   #35
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I was there around Tillamook just a few weeks ago steelhead fishing, hiking, and scouting for next season's elk hunt. The steelhead numbers are way down. In two days fishing, I only caught one. I only saw one other one caught. Normally the run would be in full swing.
Beautiful area though.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:08 AM   #36
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Which is a major problem. They have all of the benefits of U.S. citizenship without the taxes and with their own set of laws, which, for the most part, they don't enforce.
Them's the treaties, whether we like it or not.

The US Govt has already reneged on enough treaties with them as it is, it's not like there are enough Indians for much of anything they do to have much effect as it is so there's really not good reason to change anything.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:08 AM   #37
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https://www.foodrepublic.com/2011/08...-seal-meat-ok/

Sounds pretty tasty and very healthy.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:16 AM   #38
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Man... this comment is bugging me lol

****ís are probably 80-90% of the reason of the steelhead decline.

Nature wanted to place impassable ****s in rivers to make fish species who breed upstream not be able to reproduce?
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:17 AM   #39
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Whatever they kill they should ship up north to the inuits I am sure they eat them and put to use nearly every part


Also to add I would think if the seals weren't protected in the beginning that there wouldn't be this problem.

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Old 01-11-2019, 01:12 PM   #40
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Let people that want to hunt them hunt them. Why do they need to pay another tax on top of the regular hunting lic.

It amazes me how on another thread everyone is complaining how much they pay in tax. Yet anytime something illegal might be legal everyone is all over it. "yea, then the state can tax it, the state can generate revenue"
Wait, how about the fishermen have to buy a steelhead stamp to pay for the government removal of the sea lions?

We have been brain washed into thinking we need to pony up more money to be free.

Really? Why is paying the gov to do something that we should already be allowed to do better.

Legalize weed!
Why?
Cause the gov can tax it make money?

How about the gov BTFU and let us be free men and women.... or tranny or whatever you want to call yourself.

Less government involvement. We all know nothing the government gets involved with works well. It just makes some people more money in the end.
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:26 PM   #41
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Ditto. Might turn out to be the bacon of the ocean.
or the Dog of the Sea!!!!
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:27 PM   #42
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If they kill them, they need to be sure and save the hides and have them tanned! Also, some of the native people up north would love to have the meat!
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Do they eat good? Lol I mean sell some tags as a hunt, Iím sure somebody has wanted to hunt one.
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Ditto. Might turn out to be the bacon of the ocean.
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https://www.foodrepublic.com/2011/08...-seal-meat-ok/

Sounds pretty tasty and very healthy.
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or the Dog of the Sea!!!!
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If they kill them, they need to be sure and save the hides and have them tanned! Also, some of the native people up north would love to have the meat!
Representatives from Long John Silvers are standing by to see if this can be added to their restaurant menus.
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:44 PM   #44
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No reason not to sell some clubbing permits. Salmon problem might have something to do with protecting predators of salmon.
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That’s a lion hunt I can afford. Sign me up!!
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