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Old 12-01-2021, 01:55 PM   #1
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Default The proper way to measure pipe.

One of my pet peeves that has stuck with me since my downhole tool days, is properly calling out pipe sizes.

Every time I hear someone say " 2 3/8 pipe or 2 7/8 pipe" its like fingernails on a chalkboard.

I just thought some of you might be interested in this info.

Most pipe is roughly measured in I.D. at standard thickness up until 14" pipe. I say roughly because you wont find a 2" pipe measuring 2" anywhere, but all 2" pipe is 2 3/8 OD.

If you find a peace of pipe that doesn't match this chart, then you have a peace of tubing, not pipe.
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Old 12-01-2021, 02:07 PM   #2
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I still call it 2 3/8 and 2 7/8 but everything else is ID
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I'm in the pipe design business for ExxonMobil and your chart is correct. We use NPS (Nominal Pipe Size) We don't call out 2 3/8" OD pipe. It's simply called out as 2" pipe. 14" pipe and above is actually 14" OD, etc. as per your chart.
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Not an oilfield guy but I’ve always referred to pipe size by NPS, Schedule, material (i.e., 2” Schedule 40, carbon steel).

But whoever came up with the convention for pipe sizes deserved a kick in the shin, I’ve read a few bits on how it came to be but it still makes me scratch my OCD head for being so oddball.
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My nails on chalkboard is spelling. It’s piece of pipe, not peace……….
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If you find a peace of pipe that doesn't match this chart, then you have a peace of tubing, not pipe.
This is awesome.

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My nails on chalkboard is spelling. It’s piece of pipe, not peace……….
I guess one correction deserves another. LOL
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I'm in the utility business, which builds, operates, and maintains many times more pipe than the energy sector ever will, and that whole chart is essentially meaningless in my world!
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Old 12-01-2021, 02:29 PM   #9
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Indians smoke Peace Pipes.
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every type of pipe I've ever called out was classified by OD, then wall thickness and grade. drift where applicable.

OD matters when it's inside an annulus.

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Old 12-01-2021, 02:45 PM   #11
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Well I'll be. I've been doing it wrong all this time. I would always use these points for measuring. Thanks
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OD matters when it's inside an annulus.
That's what she said.

Jokes aside, my uncle would get legitimately angry with folks (whom he thought should know better) about this, way beyond OP's pet peeve. I get it.
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my nails on chalkboard is spelling. It’s piece of pipe, not peace……….:d
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Thanks. Very helpful after I retire!

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2 3/8 pipe , 2 7/8 pipe it’s still just a pizza pipe.
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Oh the irony

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I'm defiantly not the best speller, but sometimes I spell things rong on porpoise.
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I'm defiantly not the best speller, but sometimes I spell things rong on porpoise.
Maybe, but you're also worried about how another man measures his pipe

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Those are decimals in that chart.

And if I.D. was the call why is OD the second column?
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Old 12-01-2021, 04:38 PM   #20
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maybe, but you're also worried about how another man measures his pipe

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Those are decimals in that chart.

And if I.D. was the call why is OD the second column?
The same guy that came up with how to measure a 2x4 wrote the chart.
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Old 12-01-2021, 04:44 PM   #21
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One of my pet peeves that has stuck with me since my downhole tool days, is properly calling out pipe sizes.

Every time I hear someone say " 2 3/8 pipe or 2 7/8 pipe" its like fingernails on a chalkboard.

I just thought some of you might be interested in this info.

Most pipe is roughly measured in I.D. at standard thickness up until 14" pipe. I say roughly because you wont find a 2" pipe measuring 2" anywhere, but all 2" pipe is 2 3/8 OD.

If you find a peace of pipe that doesn't match this chart, then you have a peace of tubing, not pipe.
I have a peace pipe. Probably a thousand years old. About 1inch inside the bowl .
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I have a peace pipe. Probably a thousand years old. About 1inch inside the bowl .
Peace pipes are measured by circumference not diameter. That’s an old Indian method I learned in Iran.
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Some in the class might not comprende’ ‘ID’ vs.’OD’.You might explain.

Carry out the plan of the day…
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I've always used a tape measure.
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Peace pipes are measured by circumference not diameter. That’s an old Indian method I learned in Iran.
I thought the bowl of the pipe was measured by the amount of hits it took to empty it

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I'm in the utility business, which builds, operates, and maintains many times more pipe than the energy sector ever will, and that whole chart is essentially meaningless in my world!

Yeah but “high pressure” in y’all’s world is about as much pressure as my craftsmen air compressor puts out. LOL


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You know that does make more since. Freaking Iranians!!
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I sell and deal with Pipe and Tubing all the time on the Hydraulic and pneumatics side. People are always like well its just a standard thread.... There are no more standard threads in today world. i deal with about 25 different ways to seal off a fitting on a daily basis.

You really blow there mind when they put a tape measure on 1/4NPT threads and they measure roughly 1/2". They will try to tell you its 1/2NPT... Happens weekly.
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My nails on chalkboard is spelling. It’s piece of pipe, not peace……….
Zing!!!!!

Now, where’s the 2-3/8” drill pipe on that chart, I didn’t see it.
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You really blow there mind when they put a tape measure on 1/4NPT threads and they measure roughly 1/2". They will try to tell you its 1/2NPT... Happens weekly.
I worked for a concrete truck manufacturer. I had to do inventory of the hydraulic fitting myself, because guys couldn't figure out the difference in a JIC or NPT.
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Ya but if working in the field with certain jobs you need to know the OD so you know what tools etc to use. If you just called it 2” you’d be wrong


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Ya but if working in the field with certain jobs you need to know the OD so you know what tools etc to use. If you just called it 2” you’d be wrong


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In my world they're called culverts and the smallest sizes start at your largest size, just in case we're measuring
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Thanks for the lesson. Even though I have been in the steel industry for 25 years, and know that 2” pipe is 2-3/8” OD and 2-1/2” pipe is 2-7/8” OD, I still sometimes reference the pipe by OD, if referring to the NPS would confuse the conversation with someone who may not be familiar with the industry standard nomenclature for pipe.
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I sell and deal with Pipe and Tubing all the time on the Hydraulic and pneumatics side. People are always like well its just a standard thread.... There are no more standard threads in today world. i deal with about 25 different ways to seal off a fitting on a daily basis.

You really blow there mind when they put a tape measure on 1/4NPT threads and they measure roughly 1/2". They will try to tell you its 1/2NPT... Happens weekly.
I am in the metric and American hydraulics field and see this daily also. I always hear “I have a standard metric fitting.” 😂
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Take a piece of scrap to the gettin place, and buy the **** that works.

Pipe is round, tubing gots corners.
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I install PVC, CMP, HDPE and RCP..... from 1" to 144", I.D. is all that we ever go by.
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No DIP?
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I am a piping design manager (by day). Your assessment is correct, BUT when pipe is used as drill stem, it is usually called out by the actual OD. All process piping is called out by the NPT size, which as mentioned above, doesn't match the actual OD until you get to 14".
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I sell and deal with Pipe and Tubing all the time on the Hydraulic and pneumatics side. People are always like well its just a standard thread.... There are no more standard threads in today world. i deal with about 25 different ways to seal off a fitting on a daily basis.

You really blow there mind when they put a tape measure on 1/4NPT threads and they measure roughly 1/2". They will try to tell you its 1/2NPT... Happens weekly.
Had a drawing come down the other day to run on my lathe. The part was .250 dia by about 4.000 long. They wanted a O.D. 1/4" NPT on the end.

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On the inspection side of this.... we have to be specific in pipe size reference due to the fact the total weld length determines the size of weld discontinuity allowed as per code. This is especially crucial when dealing with 2 3/8" vs. 2 7/8". We have had inspectors as well as welders refer to both pipe sizes as "two inch".

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every type of pipe I've ever called out was classified by OD, then wall thickness and grade. drift where applicable.

OD matters when it's inside an annulus.

Yep, ID don’t matter much when fabricating. Thanks for sharing OP, knowing I have your chart at my disposal brings me piece
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Yep, ID don’t matter much when fabricating. Thanks for sharing OP, knowing I have your chart at my disposal brings me piece
I'm glad I could bring someone a little PIECE of mind.
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I am in the metric and American hydraulics field and see this daily also. I always hear “I have a standard metric fitting.” ��
Interesting i dont run across many people in the same field? What do you do. We are a Parker Distributor for Hose and fittings among many other things in NETX.

Metrics are pretty simple but most people have no idea. I get the well just bring me the most common up here ill know it when i see it. Or let me walk back into the warehouse ill know it when i see it.

I always tell them go ahead. We only have about 11-12,000 bins worth of fittings to go look in. Be my guest!!
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There are some differences in line pipe and oil country tubulars. some folks confuse the two.
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Pipe is round, tubing gots corners.

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