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Old 11-16-2021, 10:57 AM   #1
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Wife is pregnant.

Wife is a nurse and has until December 4th, to get the first jab.

Will not get the jab while pregnant.

Have read things back and forth, and not sure who to even talk to about this.

Can one get unemployment for not getting the jab?

Being pregnant does not qualify as an exemption.

Religious exemption more than likely will not work either.

Sorry if there is already a thread on this, I was not able to find it.

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Old 11-16-2021, 11:18 AM   #2
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My daughter just had my grandson yesterday, she’s also a nurse. I’m hoping she doesn’t have to take it. I hope they get this mess stopped. Good luck and prayers sent.
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Old 11-16-2021, 11:29 AM   #3
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Where are you hearing that pregnancy is not a qualifying exemption?

The reason I ask is because my wife works for a big company, and if you are seeking fertility treatments, pregnant, or breast feeding you are exempt.

It really ****** me off that an employer can force a pregnant woman to get the shot when they have no clue what it could do to an unborn child.
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Old 11-16-2021, 11:41 AM   #4
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Where are you hearing that pregnancy is not a qualifying exemption?

The reason I ask is because my wife works for a big company, and if you are seeking fertility treatments, pregnant, or breast feeding you are exempt.

It really ****** me off that an employer can force a pregnant woman to get the shot when they have no clue what it could do to an unborn child.
They are basing their information off the CDC. But, her OB suggest her not to get it. Either way she will not get it while pregnant 100%. Her OB says its all experimental, when someone has issues they never point to the jab lol. My wife has the anti bodies currently from having covid early on.


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COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for people who are pregnant, breastfeeding, trying to get pregnant now, or might become pregnant in the future.
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Old 11-16-2021, 11:42 AM   #5
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My daughter just had my grandson yesterday, she’s also a nurse. I’m hoping she doesn’t have to take it. I hope they get this mess stopped. Good luck and prayers sent.
Really appreciate it, just crazy times. She has not been ever been without a job since 15, now 30. But, this is what savings is for. Thanks we will take all the prayers we can get. We are in alot better situation than others.
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prayers sent for healthy pregnancy!
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Sounds like she has a medical exemption from her OB telling her not to get it... Send that note to HR and see how they respond.....
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Old 11-16-2021, 11:49 AM   #8
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This is total b/s . The reason she has to take is not the hospitals decision. It is the decision of CMS. They are the payers for medicare-medicade. If the healthcare provider wants to get payment from medicare or medicade then every employee must have the shot. That also includes any contractor that comes into the facility to do work. They want the healthcare workers to get the shot so they don't infect patients when they come in. It should be that if you receive medicare then you should be the one getting the shot not the other way around.
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Sounds like she has a medical exemption from her OB telling her not to get it... Send that note to HR and see how they respond.....
This is the way we are going to try and go. Our OB has no issues putting her name on the exemption.
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This is total b/s . The reason she has to take is not the hospitals decision. It is the decision of CMS. They are the payers for medicare-medicade. If the healthcare provider wants to get payment from medicare or medicade then every employee must have the shot. That also includes any contractor that comes into the facility to do work. They want the healthcare workers to get the shot so they don't infect patients when they come in. It should be that if you receive medicare then you should be the one getting the shot not the other way around.
Spot on, it is crazy how it is working out. She has worked with covid patients from the get go. Now she is getting the boot for not complying.
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Old 11-16-2021, 11:54 AM   #11
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I am in a local group parents group where multiple people have filed religious exemptions with their companies and 1 is a nurse and they got it all approved last I heard. Definitely try to exercise every option possible. OSHA just got shut down from mandating too so hopefully this will make a turn around but it doesnt seem like we are going to see the light at the tunnel anytime soon unfortunately.
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Old 11-16-2021, 12:06 PM   #12
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Really appreciate it, just crazy times. She has not been ever been without a job since 15, now 30. But, this is what savings is for. Thanks we will take all the prayers we can get. We are in alot better situation than others.

Not really what savings should be for at all. Wife being forced out of a job because she won’t take a shot. It’s a crazy world.


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Old 11-16-2021, 12:13 PM   #13
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Man, I swear I saw where even the cdc recommended pregnant / nursing women to not get it??

What an insane clown show we are watching.
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Old 11-16-2021, 12:17 PM   #14
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Short story,

Wife is pregnant.

Wife is a nurse and has until December 4th, to get the first jab.

Will not get the jab while pregnant.

Have read things back and forth, and not sure who to even talk to about this.

Can one get unemployment for not getting the jab?

Being pregnant does not qualify as an exemption.

Religious exemption more than likely will not work either.

Sorry if there is already a thread on this, I was not able to find it.
She should go to work until they fire her. Then file and say she was fired because she's pregnant. I can't see being turned down for unemployment but I've seen much crazier BS so who knows.
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Old 11-16-2021, 12:41 PM   #15
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I like the way RiverRat is thinking on this one. Good luck op
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Old 11-16-2021, 12:46 PM   #16
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She should go to work until they fire her. Then file and say she was fired because she's pregnant. I can't see being turned down for unemployment but I've seen much crazier BS so who knows.
It's beyond me why anyone would quit willingly. Make them fire you every time.

OP, why does religious exemption not work?

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Old 11-16-2021, 12:52 PM   #17
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Prayers for you and wife.
I see this going to the big court but it may be several months before the Supreme Court rules. Total B/S for sure.
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Old 11-16-2021, 01:00 PM   #18
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Religious exemption more than likely will not work either.
Why do you think this? I know of two hospitals(including the one that I work at) that are encouraging religious exemptions and are helping staff fill out the paperwork. I can't imagine that any hospital wants to lose staff over this.
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Old 11-16-2021, 01:01 PM   #19
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Good luck! It's amazing the CDC is recommending that but they are also are recommending it for children.

I know a few nurses who have received medical excemptions.
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This is total b/s . The reason she has to take is not the hospitals decision. It is the decision of CMS. They are the payers for medicare-medicade. If the healthcare provider wants to get payment from medicare or medicade then every employee must have the shot. That also includes any contractor that comes into the facility to do work. They want the healthcare workers to get the shot so they don't infect patients when they come in. It should be that if you receive medicare then you should be the one getting the shot not the other way around.
In a simpler boat. The company I work for has federal contracts in the banking industry. Due to those fed contracts the labor law challenges do not apply. If the company wants to keep the contract (several millions of dollars) the workforce must be 100% vax'd. Not just started but fully. 2 doses plus 14 days I believe they said. If we are not "fully" vax'd before the 12\31 we are terminated at midnight 12\31. Period. We can try to submit for medical or even religious exemption but from what I am hearing no one has received an exemption yet.

To me this is nothing but extortion, blackmail by the federal government. If I weren't an old dude not paying for college and weddings and such I would let them can me and I'd find a small company to work for. As it is though, I'm screwed either way.
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Old 11-16-2021, 01:23 PM   #21
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They are basing their information off the CDC. But, her OB suggest her not to get it. Either way she will not get it while pregnant 100%. Her OB says its all experimental, when someone has issues they never point to the jab lol. My wife has the anti bodies currently from having covid early on.


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COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for people who are pregnant, breastfeeding, trying to get pregnant now, or might become pregnant in the future.

I would think that her OB, who is recommending she not get the shot, could write her a note and that would suffice. Now once she’s no longer pregnant, the exemption won’t apply any longer but that’s another bridge further down the road.
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Old 11-16-2021, 01:30 PM   #22
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My wife and I just recently had our third kid. It always baffled us how they tell pregnant women "that it is not safe to eat deli meat, but go ahead and get this shot we pulled out of our arse a year ago. It is proven you will be fine. Nothing to worry about. Oh, no cold medicine and only one cup of coffee"
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Old 11-16-2021, 01:46 PM   #23
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The most recent study I've seen on pregnancy is for the first 2 trimesters, the shot cause spontaneous abortion or miscarriage in 85% of women. The same article said the Pfizer label states it has not been tested on pregnant women. Moderna's studies were only on 3rd trimester.

Have your wife request the label on all of them or go to their websites.

If her OBYN is willing to provide her with a letter for medical exemption, get the doc to write it. Or better yet, write it and ask the doc to sign it.
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Old 11-16-2021, 01:48 PM   #24
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My wife is in the same boat (not pregnant), healthcare worker, hospital said get vaxed or get axed, she is applying for religious exemption. All the people in her unit said they will not get it, except 1. They have historically had trouble keeping therapist at this facility which is a rehab center...they either will have to grant them all religious exempt or fire all of them but 1. Time will tell.
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I was able to get an approved religious exemption, I work for Amerisourcebergen, one of the biggest pharmaceuticals on the planet. They have been pushing hard on the thousands of us employees to get the jab as soon as the FDA 'approved' it.

I would do the religious exemption first so that you NEVER have to take it.
Otherwise they will force it as soon as they can.

Glad to help if you have questions on the religious exemption, I learned some things thru that process.
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The most recent study I've seen on pregnancy is for the first 2 trimesters, the shot cause spontaneous abortion or miscarriage in 85% of women. The same article said the Pfizer label states it has not been tested on pregnant women. Moderna's studies were only on 3rd trimester.

Have your wife request the label on all of them or go to their websites.

If her OBYN is willing to provide her with a letter for medical exemption, get the doc to write it. Or better yet, write it and ask the doc to sign it.
link, please? I'm all for pregnant women having the choice to get the shot or not, but this study sounds like nonsense. I know a handful of women who've been vaccinated in the first 2 trimesters, and none of them "spontaneously aborted or miscarried" their baby.

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It's beyond me why anyone would quit willingly. Make them fire you every time.

OP, why does religious exemption not work?
Not sure what kind of religious exemption we would need.
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Not sure what kind of religious exemption we would need.
I would submit something like this.

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My bride applied for one and it was accepted almost immediately. Part of that may have been because her hospital was about to lose a lot of staff, but here it is if it helps.

Good luck!

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Short story,

Wife is pregnant.

Wife is a nurse and has until December 4th, to get the first jab.

Will not get the jab while pregnant.

Have read things back and forth, and not sure who to even talk to about this.

Can one get unemployment for not getting the jab?

Being pregnant does not qualify as an exemption.

Religious exemption more than likely will not work either.

Sorry if there is already a thread on this, I was not able to find it.
It is against a federal law under the EEOC to discriminate based on pregnancy. I have brought up in other threads when people make the claim that a company cannot do this and my question is under what authority are they prohibited from making a workplace rule. Texas is an at will state and for the most part, barring any discrimination, a workplace can generally set rules.

In this case however it appears as though it would be discrimination. This is directly from the federal government website on discrimination based on pregnancy.
“The Pregnancy Discrimination Act (PDA) forbids discrimination based on pregnancy when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, such as leave and health insurance, and any other term or condition of employment.”

It would obviously be discrimination to order a vaccine for white males only or female Muslims, etc. That would be discrimination based on sex, race, national origin, ethnicity, etc. The problem with those claims in my opinion is that no such mandates are given. A general rule for most private employers he is, everybody gets the vaccine so there’s no discrimination.

In this case however even though everybody might be ordered to get it, there seems to be evidence that pregnant women are at a higher risk or much higher risk of injury from the vaccine.

There is also the Americans with Disabilities Act which is another federal antidiscrimination law.

The first step should be to contact HR. If that does not produce the needed relief, perhaps a private attorney that specializes in HR and EEOC/ADA complaints.


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Old 11-16-2021, 03:28 PM   #30
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My wife got the shot while pregnant. Older son came down with covid and me, the wife and the new baby did not get sick or asymptomatic. We are all vaccinated and made me feel much better to know the baby had vaccine antibodies from the shot and breast milk.
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Get a lawyer. Lawyers are about to make a killin'!!
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Have the wife's OB put her on bed rest.
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They are basing their information off the CDC. But, her OB suggest her not to get it. Either way she will not get it while pregnant 100%. Her OB says its all experimental, when someone has issues they never point to the jab lol. My wife has the anti bodies currently from having covid early on.


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If OB suggests not to do it, then I think it would be crazy for a company to not accept that for an accommodation request. From what I have heard at my company, there was 0% denial of medical/religious accommodation requests. Other companies may look at them more closely, but not sure why they would.
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Wow. Sorry y'all are going through this. My wife is also a nurse but was exempt from the jab because she was prego and was also exempt during an allotted period of time for breastfeeding.

These companies and liberals went from not trusting "Trump's vaccine" to weaponizing it real dadgum quick. What a difference a year makes
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This whole thing is absolute horse s#$t. Time to stand up. I would never let my wife get the shot, especially if pregnant. Stand strong, praying for you and your family. And I see people getting the shot while pregnant and or breastfeeding. ****** me off more than anything currently does. If you really loved your family, you wouldnt put them through a science experiment. What happened to informed consent? Why are all the vax inserts left blank? What are the long term side effects? Way too many questions to risk mine or my families lives on. I am way more useful to them looking for a job and protecting them then I am dead from a blood clot or heart failure.

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Short story,

Wife is pregnant.

Wife is a nurse and has until December 4th, to get the first jab.

Will not get the jab while pregnant.

Have read things back and forth, and not sure who to even talk to about this.

Can one get unemployment for not getting the jab?

Being pregnant does not qualify as an exemption.

Religious exemption more than likely will not work either.

Sorry if there is already a thread on this, I was not able to find it.
Will they not resort to testing her every week or two weeks? While it sucks, and is not ideal, at least unemployment wouldn't be a concern. I worked for a large hospital here in North Texas, and anyone not vaccinated had to take a COVID test every 2 weeks. I remember them saying, that people getting terminated due to 1. not getting vaccine and 2. refusing to get tested, would not be eligible for unemployment, due to it being a matter of being fired due to "non compliance to company policy." Crazy times...
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My wife got the shot while pregnant. Older son came down with covid and me, the wife and the new baby did not get sick or asymptomatic. We are all vaccinated and made me feel much better to know the baby had vaccine antibodies from the shot and breast milk.
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Man, I swear I saw where even the cdc recommended pregnant / nursing women to not get it??

What an insane clown show we are watching.

They changed the recommendations in the middle of the night shortly before announcing the federal contractors mandate… i guess they felt it would have made it harder to for e people i to it if they allowed too many outs. Pure evil, if you ask me.


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If OB suggests not to do it, then I think it would be crazy for a company to not accept that for an accommodation request. From what I have heard at my company, there was 0% denial of medical/religious accommodation requests. Other companies may look at them more closely, but not sure why they would.
I am hoping this is the case, but we shall see. There will be a huge walk out hopefully with her company. But, she has talked to a few that said they will not get it. They are the bread winner of the household, so now they are possibly going to comply. Sad

Thanks and we shall see how it goes.
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My wife got the shot while pregnant. Older son came down with covid and me, the wife and the new baby did not get sick or asymptomatic. We are all vaccinated and made me feel much better to know the baby had vaccine antibodies from the shot and breast milk.
That is awesome and happy for you and your family. You made that choice, this is a little different.
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Old 11-16-2021, 05:17 PM   #42
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My wife got the shot while pregnant. Older son came down with covid and me, the wife and the new baby did not get sick or asymptomatic. We are all vaccinated and made me feel much better to know the baby had vaccine antibodies from the shot and breast milk.
I was in the same boat. We have a 3 month old. I was vaccinated in June but we decided to wait until the baby was born for my other half. a few weeks after she was born, my wife was vaccinated. I'm a firm believer in your body, your choice (some of yall ain't ready to have that convo yet! ). Nobody should be forced to get anything against their free will and shouldn't be punished for it.
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link, please? I'm all for pregnant women having the choice to get the shot or not, but this study sounds like nonsense. I know a handful of women who've been vaccinated in the first 2 trimesters, and none of them "spontaneously aborted or miscarried" their baby.
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/st...-covid-vaccine

Sorry, I should have posted that because I knew someone would ask.
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Old 11-16-2021, 05:53 PM   #44
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I don't how many testimonials I've seen on SM from women who lost their baby post jab since this was rolled out...several articles have covered the dangers too.

I can't understand these companies pushing this so hard when the whole mandate is still in limbo...the fact it's not official should leave them open for liability.
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Ok, I'm totally lost with this article. Per their study, they took 827 VACCINATED women for the study. the national average for "spontaneous abortions" aka Miscarriages, is 12.5%.

Of that 827, 127 had a miscarriage with 104 being before the 3rd trimester which falls right in line with the national average of normal miscarriages of women who ARENT VACINATTED...but its the vaccines fault? Am i missing something here? There should been a control group run right along side of this study...where's those numbers? This don't smell right....
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Ok, I'm totally lost with this article. Per their study, they took 827 VACCINATED women for the study. the national average for "spontaneous abortions" aka Miscarriages, is 12.5%.

Of that 827, 127 had a miscarriage with 104 being before the 3rd trimester which falls right in line with the national average of normal miscarriages of women who ARENT VACINATTED...but its the vaccines fault? Am i missing something here? There should been a control group run right along side of this study...where's those numbers? This don't smell right....
Article is from a women's online magazine. Not trying to be sexist or political, but I'd feel a lot better if this article was printed in a medical journal, and not something along the lines of Cosmo/Good Housekeeping.

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Not a conspiracy theorist but a good friend of mine DIL is pregnant and got that shot because of fear and peer pressure. She is now at home on bed rest at 28 weeks because of contractions and they don't know what brought it on but she got the jab a couple months ago at about 15 weeks FWIW.

My wife and I got our second jabs last week. Neither one of us are happy about it but we both agree they do provide some protection against the Covid turning deadly. Being in our early 40's and already having 4 kids fertility wasn't an issue BUT had my wife said she wanted to have another baby we wouldn't have taken the shot.

I agree with others, go for the religion exemption. If that doesn't work your wife is a nurse and they are in high demand so just switch hospitals or maybe find a nice doctors office for her to work in part time. She may even be able to transition into some tele-health... that would be ideal with a newborn on the way.

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Article is from a women's magazine. Not trying to be sexist or political, but I'd feel a lot better if this article was printed in a medical journal, and not something along the lines of Cosmo/Good Housekeeping.
You will find all sorts of articles going both pro/con as this topic has been around since day 1...Pretty sure WHO is on record suggesting healthy pregnant women should avoid just like the CDC was, but who knows the stance today with the jab mfg's now wanting to vaccinate infants.

Whether one wants to prove one way or the other isn't the issue...it's the coercion with threat of termination is what everyone should be upset about. I wish everyone opposed to the jab would hold their ground and fight like hell.
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I own a Healthcare company and employee over 1000 folks. We are right at 85% vaccinated. I think because of the mandate we will hit around 95%. Roughly 5% will be requesting religious or medical exemptions. They will be granted. Have you read the CMS mandate? It clearly states that there will be medical and religious exemptions and that we must grant them. Our stance is that anyone that brings a letter from a doc or clergy stating the reason the employee should be exempt we will honor...period. We are in a staffing crunch and we aren't going to cut off our nose to spite our face. Our patients need to be cared for and we need our staff to be able to do that. I don't think you will have any problem getting a medical or religious exemption. Start by asking for a copy of the organization's policy and then follow it. You'll be fine.

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Article is from a women's online magazine. Not trying to be sexist or political, but I'd feel a lot better if this article was printed in a medical journal, and not something along the lines of Cosmo/Good Housekeeping.


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Ok, I'm totally lost with this article. Per their study, they took 827 VACCINATED women for the study. the national average for "spontaneous abortions" aka Miscarriages, is 12.5%.



Of that 827, 127 had a miscarriage with 104 being before the 3rd trimester which falls right in line with the national average of normal miscarriages of women who ARENT VACINATTED...but its the vaccines fault? Am i missing something here? There should been a control group run right along side of this study...where's those numbers? This don't smell right....


You’re right… it’s not right. The article from a MAGAZINE supposedly summarizing a real study is trying to remove over 700 of the participants from the statistics they are reporting. This puts so much bias to the statistics they are trying to “report” that the results are not valid or reliable. You can’t just use the portions of participants that you want to…
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