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Old 07-29-2022, 01:50 PM   #1
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Itís a ways below the Denison Dam. Whatís the term for the metal structures that hold the cable in place?
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Old 07-29-2022, 02:09 PM   #2
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The cable below Livingston was as far up as you could go. This might be the same. Not sure
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Old 07-29-2022, 02:13 PM   #3
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Old 07-29-2022, 02:15 PM   #4
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To keep the banks from splitting wider...
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Old 07-29-2022, 02:45 PM   #7
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Used to monitor river conditions. They usually have a cable car type thing suspended that folks got out to the middle of the river and lower various instruments to measure stream flow and sediment, etc.
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Old 07-29-2022, 02:52 PM   #8
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I've always heard that Texas doesn't fall into the gulf because OU sucks, but it might actually be this cable.
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Old 07-29-2022, 03:13 PM   #9
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I've always heard that Texas doesn't fall into the gulf because OU sucks, but it might actually be this cable.

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Keep the whole river in Oklahoma.
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Where exactly is the cable and how low does it hang? Near a bridge? Anything attached to the other end?
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Old 07-29-2022, 08:27 PM   #13
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Where exactly is the cable and how low does it hang? Near a bridge? Anything attached to the other end?
The other end is on the Texas side and is attached or anchored to another tower.

No bridge nearby. There are remnants of what must’ve been a bridge a long time ago. (See photo)

In the photo the other tower is circled. I think that’s where the other end terminates.

Not sure how low the cable presently is above the river.
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I meant what town/highway is it near.
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Old 07-29-2022, 08:42 PM   #15
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That's so if the bridges are out due to flooding, the guys bringing Meth from Mexico can still get it to their #1 market immediately across the river.
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Old 07-29-2022, 08:45 PM   #16
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It’s north of Denison off 91. You can get on Texoma Parkway in Sherman and follow it north into Denison. You hang a left in Denison to get to 91. I don’t remember the cross street where you turn left. There are at least two ways to get to 91 from Denison.
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I've always heard that Texas doesn't fall into the gulf because OU sucks, but it might actually be this cable.
The cable isnít needed for that, and you heard right.
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Old 07-29-2022, 09:35 PM   #18
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It looks like the Texas side is at the Corp of Engineers, so maybe it was used to shuttle stuff across the river after the bridge was gone. That is sure enough the footings for some kind of bridge or support for something. The river looks to be way down. The next time you are near there go by the Corp offices on the Texas side and ask them. It would be interesting to know.
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That's so if the bridges are out due to flooding, the guys bringing Meth from Mexico can still get it to their #1 market immediately across the river.

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I've always heard that Texas doesn't fall into the gulf because OU sucks, but it might actually be this cable.
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It looks like the Texas side is at the Corp of Engineers, so maybe it was used to shuttle stuff across the river after the bridge was gone. That is sure enough the footings for some kind of bridge or support for something. The river looks to be way down. The next time you are near there go by the Corp offices on the Texas side and ask them. It would be interesting to know.
Thatís a good idea. Will do. The next time I went through there they were releasing a bunch of water and it looked quite different. Praying my recovery keeps speeding along to where I can go there again soon. Iím determined to fully recover.
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Old 07-30-2022, 10:18 AM   #22
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It is for steam monitoring, they take a basket type carrier over the river and lower instruments down to the water to measure stream flow and sediment etc.
They are all over up here and most have a cable car basket they folks sit in , down there they don't leave them on the cables because you folks will do stupid stuff from them.

There were also several ferries that ran across the Red at one time, an old ferry cable is also still across west of Muenster before Bulcher.
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Old 07-30-2022, 10:28 AM   #23
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It is for steam monitoring, they take a basket type carrier over the river and lower instruments down to the water to measure stream flow and sediment etc.
They are all over up here and most have a cable car basket they folks sit in , down there they don't leave them on the cables because you folks will do stupid stuff from them.

There were also several ferries that ran across the Red at one time, an old ferry cable is also still across west of Muenster before Bulcher.
That sounds logical, but this cable is just below the Denison Dam, so no need to measure flow at that location. Your ferry scenario or measuring sediment may be correct.
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Old 07-30-2022, 04:16 PM   #25
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That sounds logical, but this cable is just below the Denison Dam, so no need to measure flow at that location. Your ferry scenario or measuring sediment may be correct.
They are in place all over up here and across the west. They were mainly used before electronic monitoring.
They allow someone to go out to the middle of the stream or river and hang an instrument down into the middle of the flow to get measurements.
The old ferry cable crossings I have seen on family place are mainly older wooden poles with cables, not the newer metal towers.
That is a stream monitoring station. Probably not in use anymore hence no basket to take across the river.
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Makes sense.
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Old 07-30-2022, 07:18 PM   #27
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It is for steam monitoring, they take a basket type carrier over the river and lower instruments down to the water to measure stream flow and sediment etc.
They are all over up here and most have a cable car basket they folks sit in , down there they don't leave them on the cables because you folks will do stupid stuff from them.

There were also several ferries that ran across the Red at one time, an old ferry cable is also still across west of Muenster before Bulcher.
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They are in place all over up here and across the west. They were mainly used before electronic monitoring.
They allow someone to go out to the middle of the stream or river and hang an instrument down into the middle of the flow to get measurements.
The old ferry cable crossings I have seen on family place are mainly older wooden poles with cables, not the newer metal towers.
That is a stream monitoring station. Probably not in use anymore hence no basket to take across the river.
Thanks for the info. It is interesting to note the names of places along the Red River when steam ships once carried people. If I recall correctly, there were some locations named after the ships/boats. Someone had a handwritten map of these locations with info not found on the internet. Possibly not even in any library. Some of it is dark but still history nonetheless.
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Old 07-31-2022, 11:51 AM   #28
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Thanks for the info. It is interesting to note the names of places along the Red River when steam ships once carried people. If I recall correctly, there were some locations named after the ships/boats. Someone had a handwritten map of these locations with info not found on the internet. Possibly not even in any library. Some of it is dark but still history nonetheless.

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It’s a USGS cableway. Actually that one now belongs to the COE. In the old days as mentioned it was used to measure stage and discharge. Water quality samples for different constituents could be obtained as well. There used to be a lot of them but they are being removed due to age and safety concerns. Bridges and boats are being used these days in most cases.
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Itís a USGS cableway. Actually that one now belongs to the COE. In the old days as mentioned it was used to measure discharge. Water quality samples for different constituents could be obtained as well. There used to be a lot of them but they are being removed due to age and safety concerns. Bridges and boats are being used these days in most cases.
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Thanks, HYDRO.
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Itís a USGS cableway. Actually that one now belongs to the COE. In the old days as mentioned it was used to measure stage and discharge. Water quality samples for different constituents could be obtained as well. There used to be a lot of them but they are being removed due to age and safety concerns. Bridges and boats are being used these days in most cases.
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I fished thousands of hours on THE WALL there back in the 80's in it's hayday. The cable nearest the dam connected to the wall, s the no trespass cable. This one is down a little ways near the old bait store in the parking lot. Watched them back then take cart to bottom and measure. And they don't leave the cart there because um like said above of being used by teenagers. The top cable when you hooked a monster striper, you had to open your bail drop your line and run down the hill to get under the cable and tighten your line after and fight them again. Largest I ever caught was a 29 lber on a pencil popper. Had some you could never turn out of the white water and they would smoke your reel. Those were some good ol days.
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I fished thousands of hours on THE WALL there back in the 80's in it's hayday. The cable nearest the dam connected to the wall, s the no trespass cable. This one is down a little ways near the old bait store in the parking lot. Watched them back then take cart to bottom and measure. And they don't leave the cart there because um like said above of being used by teenagers. The top cable when you hooked a monster striper, you had to open your bail drop your line and run down the hill to get under the cable and tighten your line after and fight them again. Largest I ever caught was a 29 lber on a pencil popper. Had some you could never turn out of the white water and they would smoke your reel. Those were some good ol days.
So that explains what the small concrete slab was for.
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It’s for illegals, so they don’t get their feet wet. Duh !
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Itís for illegals, so they donít get their feet wet. Duh !
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Old 07-31-2022, 07:18 PM   #37
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Yes Sir! I've ridden on many of them during floods collecting data and now responsible for taking them out in many cases. Some of them we are making bank operated with remote controls to keep our staff safer. The historical perspective on these cableways is very interesting. We have them on remote ranches in Texas. During previous floods the locals used them to move food, supplies and family across the creeks and rivers. I had to retrieve them from the middle of the rivers over the years as the kids rode them and used them for diving boards. The car that hangs below the main cable can make things interesting during floods when you hang a tree in 10-20 foot per second velocities. We carried two pair of side cutters (in case you dropped one) to cut the sampling equipment loose when hung up on trees. Once you cut loose you better hang onto the side of the cablecar as it had a pretty good sling shot effect.
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Used to monitor river conditions. They usually have a cable car type thing suspended that folks got out to the middle of the river and lower various instruments to measure stream flow and sediment, etc.
This. I have one in my backyard to monitor the llano river
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I have one of those on the farm that crosses over arroyo in floodway. We used to unlock it as kids and roll out across.
I used to believe it was to get an important person to the other side during a flood. They have measuring yardsticks so it makes sense its to measure water flow. My farm is where the floodway splits and the nicer homes in Harlingen are spared so they send Most of the floodwater north nowadays. Ive had a front row seat for the last 50 years. Mercedes farmers were blamed for blowing up the levee in the aftermath of Beula before my time in The RGV
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This. I have one in my backyard to monitor the llano river
Thank you! I've been on that one over the years many times. Lots of historic data has been obtained from that cableway. As you know , that river floats alot of debris during floods. Now I dunk a boat upstream of the dam when I can, otherwise its the cableway, unless the water is to high to get to it.
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I have one of those on the farm that crosses over arroyo in floodway. We used to unlock it as kids and roll out across.
I used to believe it was to get an important person to the other side during a flood. They have measuring yardsticks so it makes sense its to measure water flow. My farm is where the floodway splits and the nicer homes in Harlingen are spared so they send Most of the floodwater north nowadays. Ive had a front row seat for the last 50 years. Mercedes farmers were blamed for blowing up the levee in the aftermath of Beula before my time in The RGV
Those cableways along the Rio Grande are owned and operated by the IBWC on the US side. I've been to that one and alot of the ones on the Rio.
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That’s an interesting life, Hydro. I get the screen name now.
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