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Old 06-05-2018, 01:27 PM   #1
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My current AC is about 18 years old and I'm going to be replacing it soon before it croaks. What are the better brands to look at? Any to stay away from?
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Replaced mine a few years ago. My AC guy, who I trust based on years of excellent service, told me there are only a couple of manufacturers nowadays. Many relabeled - but all pretty much the same underneath. I went with Goodman based on his recommendation and have zero complaints so far.
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I agree with Goodman.
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Goodman is the best bang for your buck I hear. Lots of people I know use them, ruud or American standard
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You just asked what is better, Ford Chevy or dodge. Goodman is builder's grade IMO opinion. But it's like most other machines, they will never run forever.
Trane is the best on the market IMO, or American Stardard if you want to save money. American Standard is pretty much the same piece of equipment with different names. Lennox, Rudd/Rheem, and Carrier all make a great system. It depends on what you want to spend when it comes to how well the system will be and most importantly how well the system is installed. I recommend researching for a very reputable company before deciding what brand you want to go with.
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You just asked what is better, Ford Chevy or dodge. Goodman is builder's grade IMO opinion. But it's like most other machines, they will never run forever.
Trane is the best on the market IMO, or American Stardard if you want to save money. American Standard is pretty much the same piece of equipment with different names. Lennox, Rudd/Rheem, and Carrier all make a great system. It depends on what you want to spend when it comes to how well the system will be and most importantly how well the system is installed. I recommend researching for a very reputable company before deciding what brand you want to go with.
Great advice here! Been a Trane dealer for 15yrs now and its better quality but they will all get the job done if installed properly.
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Trane and only Trane.
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As an engineer, I would stick with Trane, Lennox, Carrier, Rheem or York. They typically have an installer network that is higher quality, and the machines have a few details that set them apart, especially when you get into the higher efficiency arena.
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I just replaced my entire system (minus duct work). I probably over-paid but I went back with Carrier. The last one I had last 20 years and was still running strong until it developed a leak in the evap coil. I'm hoping I get 20 years out of this one, even though I was told the newer system won't last that long
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Make sure you fill out and send in the warranty paperwork.
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The 3 bigger install companies in my area install Carrier, Trane, and Comfortmaker. I have never heard of the last. I will get pricing from all 3, but just curious on how they would compare to each other.
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Following.
I am running a 1988 Lennox system AC/heat and the service man cannot believe how this has lasted. I, personally did change the blower motor. But in my 22 years in this house the unit has not even taken a blast of Freon in the 6 or so times it has been serviced. Blows ice cold. New motor makes it quieter with greater CFM's. I am sure newer equipment is much more efficient.
Good info in this thread.
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Walker Air just replaced my whole system with a Rheem. Sucker blows icicles and will last as long as EllisCountyHog lasts.
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We went with American standard… Which is the keystone light of Trane!
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I'm glad some folks have had a good Trane Unit.

I'm on my fifth coil in 9 years. They just keep springing leaks. If you install a Trane be sure and purchase the extended parts and labor warranty.

Last one installed in March was over $2600.
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Just replaced ours a few weeks ago and went with Trane. Our old unit sounded like a SA 200 working at full tilt, this one runs like a sewing machine.
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My current AC is about 18 years old and I'm going to be replacing it soon before it croaks. What are the better brands to look at? Any to stay away from?
We installed a Carrier last year and don’t have any complaints.
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We’ve had good luck with Carrier.


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Our AC guy said the "best brand" is constantly changing. It'll be one brand for a few years, then it'll go downhill and it'll be another brand, etc. He currently recommended Rheem. A lot has to do with the installation and efficiency. Like, we had a Trane unit that was just BARELY big enough for the house we bought. The house was 1750 sq. gt. and the unti was designed for houses up to about 1800 sq. ft. What happened? After a couple of years, it just burned itself out as it got older, struggling to do its job. We went from a 3 1/2 ton to a 4 ton unit, and we were in AC Heaven. Keep the coil clean, the filters changed, etc.
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I agree with Goodman.
All of their units are made here in Texas, too.
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My current AC is about 18 years old and I'm going to be replacing it soon before it croaks. What are the better brands to look at? Any to stay away from?
How big is the house, one story, two story?
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I like my rheem. Installation is the biggest factor.
Base decision on: installation, service, brand... in that order
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How big is the house, one story, two story?


My house is a single story, just under 1,800 sq ft. 3 bed/2 bath.
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My house is a single story, just under 1,800 sq ft. 3 bed/2 bath.
Ok, all good advice above.
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I am running a 1988 Lennox system AC/heat and the service man cannot believe how this has lasted. I, personally did change the blower motor. But in my 22 years in this house the unit has not even taken a blast of Freon in the 6 or so times it has been serviced. Blows ice cold. New motor makes it quieter with greater CFM's. I am sure newer equipment is much more efficient.
Good info in this thread.
My 1977 Lennox unit still runs strong, but I have a freon leak somewhere. Gonna try to limp along on window units this summer. I'll be in your shoes next spring.

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Walker Air just replaced my whole system with a Rheem. Sucker blows icicles and will last as long as EllisCountyHog lasts.
We have a Rheem system. 1999 model. replaced one capacitor a couple years ago and that was it. I figure I will have to replace my system in the next few years. It has been a good unit.
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Trane or Daikin. Trane needs to fix their valve issues on the high end product.

https://daikincomfort.com/products/h...r-conditioners
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Anyone like to take a guess on who owns, designs, and builds Goodman?

D.....
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The 3 bigger install companies in my area install Carrier, Trane, and Comfortmaker. I have never heard of the last. I will get pricing from all 3, but just curious on how they would compare to each other.
5 manufacturers build the top 24 lines available here in the USA.
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We have a Rheem system. 1999 model. replaced one capacitor a couple years ago and that was it. I figure I will have to replace my system in the next few years. It has been a good unit.
We also had 2 RHEEM units on our house starting in '02. Only because we understand what it takes to keep them running, we were able to run them for 15 years (the last 2 were on barrowed time). Replaced a compressor, a fan motor, and a valve over the life.

When they were changed out, the coils would fall off on a single touch.
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Is there a better time of year to purchase?....assuming you are not in a pinch
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D.....
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Goodman is nothing special. They work, but definitely more of a builder grade procuct. Carrier, Trane and Mitsubishi get my top votes. And a product is only as good as its installer in most cases. Been in the HVAC industry a long time.
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D.....
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If you talk to 10 ac guys you will get 10 different answer. They all sell the"best" and every other brand is
"junk". Truth is there are only 3-4 companies that make compressors so get you one that has a good service record and youth will be OK. I have a comfort maker in 2 houses and a goodman in my other 1.
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but that's neither here nor there, i'd go with Trane.
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Replaced our outdoor compressor and interior air handler and gas furnace with a Carrier unit several years ago (5 ton unit). Malek could never get it to function as advertised and neither to the calls to the Houston Carrier service center. It has NEVER been variable speed and NEVER did dehumidify as advertised, and we only paid an additional $1,400 for that feature.

I would never buy another Carrier, and NEVER use Malek AC or allow them on my property. YMMV.
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Interesting information:

First things first, however. While there are many brands of central air conditioners, digging deeper reveals that the majority of central air conditioners are made by a handful of companies, marketing merely makes it looks as if you have a wider range of choices. The major manufacturers are:
Trane, which also makes American Standard
United Technology, which owns Carrier, Bryant, Payne, Day & Night, Heil and Tempstar
Lennox, which owns Ducane, Armstrong, Concord, Allied and AirEase
Rheem, which owns Ruud
Goodman, which makes Amana and Janitrol
York, which makes Coleman and Luxaire
Nortek Global HVAC, which makes Maytag, Westinghouse, Frigidaire, Kelvinator and others

Group 1 – Our Top Picks for the Top 10 Air Conditioner Brands of 2018:
Goodman
Day & Night
Mitsubishi
Bryant
Carrier
York
Amana
Trane
Rheem
Lennox
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Daikin are extremely high quality units. They are used and have been very popular units in the rest of the world for a long time now.
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Any brand is only as good as its installer.

All the actual ac guys that commented above recommended whichever brand they sell, which is understandable. The rest probably recommended what they have in their own homes.

Daikin owns Goodman manufacturing, which is Houston-based, and they just built the largest hvac mfr plant in the world there. Being American made gives them points (daikin, Amana, and Goodman units are built there) and also means they have a strong distribution in Texas.
Carrier makes a decent product, in Mexico.
Same with ruud/rheem.

In my opinion, trane is riding their brand recognition and is putting out some of the worst units on the market. Lots of mfr defects, lots of plastic components.


Pick a company you think you can trust and has great warranties and guarantees. That’s way more important than the brand of the equipment.
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Any brand is only as good as its installer.

All the actual ac guys that commented above recommended whichever brand they sell, which is understandable. The rest probably recommended what they have in their own homes.

Daikin owns Goodman manufacturing, which is Houston-based, and they just built the largest hvac mfr plant in the world there. Being American made gives them points (daikin, Amana, and Goodman units are built there) and also means they have a strong distribution in Texas.
Carrier makes a decent product, in Mexico.
Same with ruud/rheem.

In my opinion, trane is riding their brand recognition and is putting out some of the worst units on the market. Lots of mfr defects, lots of plastic components.


Pick a company you think you can trust and has great warranties and guarantees. That’s way more important than the brand of the equipment.
Hmm I agree with most of this extcept the Trane comment. I sell all major brands and get good pricing from them all too. Now if you are talking basic models then yes all the same. But when talking higher seer and modulating/variable speed units Trane has the one of the best if not the best units. Lennox is close and the rest are not even considered. Heck Goodman doesn’t even offer one. They use a 3rd party line in Franklin. So if you want lower end builders grade then yes Goodman is spitting them out but that’s not our market. Dakien is making a come back for sure but still not near the proven years as Trane. I have not had a single unit come out from the warehouse with a “defect”. Plastic weather guard tops reduce vibration of the fan motor so it’s quieter. Just a heckuva a statement saying they are the worse in the market but yet they have been our go to brand for 15yrs and I would sell something else before I delt with defects and plastic crappy units and that’s not the case here.
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Goodman is a subsidiary of Daikin, so Goodman still designs and builds Goodman units.
Yeah, just like a son that lives at home makes all of his choices without the approval of his parents. (sarcasm)

Daikin owns Goodman. They don't open their doors on Monday morning without Daikin's blessing.

Seriously? What is the next debate? Toyota and Lexus? Nissan and Infinity? GM and Cadillac?
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Trane is still very good, but they have been losing ground due to their design choices over the last 2 years.

B+ to A- now vs when they were the best.
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You live in TX with long, hot summers, so get a unit that is not too high end. Go middle of the road to save some money on install and also save money on repairs (which all units need at one time or another). I relate it to a Ford vs Mercedes. The Ford will save you money up front and on parts in the future. Also, like mentioned above, the installer plays the biggest part of the whole deal.
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You live in TX with long, hot summers, so get a unit that is not too high end. Go middle of the road to save some money on install and also save money on repairs (which all units need at one time or another). I relate it to a Ford vs Mercedes. The Ford will save you money up front and on parts in the future. Also, like mentioned above, the installer plays the biggest part of the whole deal.
Going with Mercedes in the debate makes an easy story to shoot holes in. Everyone knows they are as expensive to own as a Jaguar or BMW.

Suggest a debate comparison like that of a Ford/Chevy/Dodge to Toyota/Honda. There lies a true argument similar to that of Trane/Daikin vs Rheem/York/Goodman/Am Std, ect

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