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Old 07-24-2021, 06:12 PM   #1101
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What’s good for the goose…

Based on today’s comments from a Pres and AD, it’s obvious how this went down.

I wasn’t big on the move, I figured they’d end up in the B1G at some point, but this simply makes more sense geographically.

If/when it becomes official. It’s funny that everyone affiliated with a few instate programs wants to pin it on the cash cow that kept their coffers full for years. The SEC had to want to expand.

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Old 07-24-2021, 06:17 PM   #1102
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I am really excited about UT going to the SEC. Football and baseball will be great to watch. I do think there is a lot that needs to be hashed out before it’s a done deal and I’m sure there will be some legislators that will attempt to block it. I hope it happens. I think it would be great to have the UT - Aggy game again. May need to have the national Guard on site to keep peace though.

Let’s face it, college sports is getting more and more tainted by the big money and I think it’s naive for us to look at it the same way as it was. I do think Tech, TCU, Ok St and Baylor land somewhere. Most likely not all together. Tech to PAC 12 is kind of exciting. Could see TCU and OK St there too. Gonna sit back and watch this drama unfold.

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I figure a chunk of the Big 12 ends up in the American.


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I bet you’re right
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TBH Aggy trippin.

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Old 07-24-2021, 07:11 PM   #1106
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IMO, the Longhorns stand to be the the biggest beneficiary of a move to the SEC, financially and athletically (program wise). I happen to think A&M is likely to get the second biggest bump, followed by Oklahoma and the rest of the SEC teams. (I will add that Arkansas could actually get a substantial bump, competitively, as well.)

Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, and the upper echelon teams in the current SEC will obviously continue to recruit at their normally high level, as will OU.

But I think the Longhorns and Ags (along with OU, LSU and possibly Arkansas) will be in better position to recruit the Texas kids that might otherwise have gone to TCU, Tech or Baylor, especially if those schools aren’t able to jump on another P5 wagon.

I also think the increased strength of league could even negatively impact recruiting powerhouses like OSU, Clemson, ND, Oregon, etc.

Of course, there will still be highly rated Texas HS kids that go out of state, but I think most will give even higher consideration to SEC schools, as well.


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Texas lawmakers draft bill to require approval of conference realignment

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would love to see this happen. but dont think it will? hope am wrong.
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Old 07-24-2021, 07:30 PM   #1109
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IMO, the Longhorns stand to be the the biggest beneficiary of a move to the SEC, financially and athletically (program wise). I happen to think A&M is likely to get the second biggest bump, followed by Oklahoma and the rest of the SEC teams. (I will add that Arkansas could actually get a substantial bump, competitively, as well.)

Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, and the upper echelon teams in the current SEC will obviously continue to recruit at their normally high level, as will OU.

But I think the Longhorns and Ags (along with OU, LSU and possibly Arkansas) will be in better position to recruit the Texas kids that might otherwise have gone to TCU, Tech or Baylor, especially if those schools aren’t able to jump on another P5 wagon.

I also think the increased strength of league could even negatively impact recruiting powerhouses like OSU, Clemson, ND, Oregon, etc.

Of course, there will still be highly rated Texas HS kids that go out of state, but I think most will give even higher consideration to SEC schools, as well.


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Old 07-24-2021, 07:31 PM   #1110
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I hope everyone is having a lot of fun wrapping themselves in their school color and pointing fingers and yelling at they and them. The bottom line is this has nothing to do with school loyalty or conference loyalty or anything other than money. This is the first step in a trip that will end with 4 16 team conferences splitting off from the NCAA, for football and probably basketball. College football and basketball will be a professional program. Athletes will be paid employee's of the university and not students. They will have contracts and agents and be traded and bought like NFL and NBA players. Except for a few they won't care where they are except for who offers the best contract and when they leave there won't be any connection back to the program.

It's been this way at the AD and coaching level and up for a long time. The only color that matters is green and who has the most will determine who win's the most.

Welcome to the future folks, I for one am not excited where this is going and it has nothing to do with Texas joining the SEC.
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IMO, the Longhorns stand to be the the biggest beneficiary of a move to the SEC, financially and athletically (program wise). I happen to think A&M is likely to get the second biggest bump, followed by Oklahoma and the rest of the SEC teams. (I will add that Arkansas could actually get a substantial bump, competitively, as well.)

Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, and the upper echelon teams in the current SEC will obviously continue to recruit at their normally high level, as will OU.

But I think the Longhorns and Ags (along with OU, LSU and possibly Arkansas) will be in better position to recruit the Texas kids that might otherwise have gone to TCU, Tech or Baylor, especially if those schools aren’t able to jump on another P5 wagon.

I also think the increased strength of league could even negatively impact recruiting powerhouses like OSU, Clemson, ND, Oregon, etc.

Of course, there will still be highly rated Texas HS kids that go out of state, but I think most will give even higher consideration to SEC schools, as well.


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So you like Texas to the SEC? You seem to have done a complete 180?

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So you like Texas to the SEC? You seem to have done a complete 180?

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Old 07-24-2021, 08:32 PM   #1113
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So you don’t have to search, post 603...
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Count me as a proponent. I want the annual game back! I’m not sure about the proposed POD, though- that would mean that ATM and tu probably wouldn’t play annually. Of course, tu/OU would need to play every year, and I’d like to see LSU/A&M every year, too. A POD of OU, tu, LSU and A&M would be entertaining (ESPECIALLY from a TBH perspective!) but would be a rough schedule every year!

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As an Aggie and a Texan, I want the annual rivalry back ASAP. Like you, I’d love to see the Horns and Ags strong at the same time. I think this increases the likelihood of that happening.

As a fan of tradition and CFB, I agree that the move (along with NIL and the portal) are collectively bad for college football as we know it. Some programs (including mine and yours) will benefit while other programs (in Texas and elsewhere) will surely suffer. Some will not survive, at least in the capacity we’ve known, historically.

Change is inevitable. I’m happy to be among the “haves” but feel bad for fans of the many schools that now have uncertain futures.



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Spot on Michael. I agree with you.

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Old 07-24-2021, 08:37 PM   #1115
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So you don’t have to search, post 603...

As an Aggie and a Texan, I want the annual rivalry back ASAP. Like you, I’d love to see the Horns and Ags strong at the same time. I think this increases the likelihood of that happening.

As a fan of tradition and CFB, I agree that the move (along with NIL and the portal) are collectively bad for college football as we know it. Some programs (including mine and yours) will benefit while other programs (in Texas and elsewhere) will surely suffer. Some will not survive, at least in the capacity we’ve known, historically.

Change is inevitable. I’m happy to be among the “haves” but feel bad for fans of the many schools that now have uncertain futures.



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This is pretty much how I feel as well. The haves are exponentially widening the gap, fun to watch great football but sucks for the overall good of the college game IMO.
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Old 07-24-2021, 08:40 PM   #1117
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Nobody really hated Baylor before Briles. They just didn’t respect them. They were pretty much irrelevant to the point of not even being an after thought.


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LOL yes they did its been that way for ages, I remember it well when they started winning in the 80's. There was even a good contingent of Waco locals that hated them then, never hear of the Baylor bubble?
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Being an old fart I hate that money now rules everything. I'm old enough to still remember the old SWC that I loved growing up. Dad would take me to all the Baylor home games. This was 60 years ago. Could buy tickets at game time in the end zone. Every now and then might get 20 yard line tickets. Loved watching Don Truell and Lawrence Elkins! That's it. Back to todays time.

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LOL yes they did its been that way for ages, I remember it well when they started winning in the 80's. There was even a good contingent of Waco locals that hated them then, never hear of the Baylor bubble?
Grew up in Waco. No one hated them. The locals support them now. From 75-84 Baylor was a bigger threat than the Aggies for Texas.

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So you don’t have to search, post 603...

As an Aggie and a Texan, I want the annual rivalry back ASAP. Like you, I’d love to see the Horns and Ags strong at the same time. I think this increases the likelihood of that happening.

As a fan of tradition and CFB, I agree that the move (along with NIL and the portal) are collectively bad for college football as we know it. Some programs (including mine and yours) will benefit while other programs (in Texas and elsewhere) will surely suffer. Some will not survive, at least in the capacity we’ve known, historically.

Change is inevitable. I’m happy to be among the “haves” but feel bad for fans of the many schools that now have uncertain futures.



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Agreed X2

It’ll be interesting to see how many football programs are lost over the next 3-6 years with the superconferences undoubtedly forming and the NIL (or is it NLI) pay to play starting.
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I could see players wanting to leave a rotting Big 12 or some top talent in a conference looking to get to the SEC.

There was even rumors of the SEC looking forward to a 20 team conference. Not sure if true.


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Old 07-25-2021, 08:37 AM   #1122
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I have been reading other “biased” articles from various schools recently trying to get an idea of where some of the schools may be in terms of their vote. I’m sure most of it is just opinions of the writer, but a Razorback article i saw earlier claims there may be a 4th no. Their guess, A&M and Mizzou are hard No’s as well as Arkansas who is supposedly still butthurt from SWC days.
Their prediction, LSU with Woodward and his ties to A&M could be the final No vote.

I seriously thing the additional 60+ Million in yearly revenue will over ride any hard feelings and get a unanimous Yes vote unless A&M just wants to stick to principle and vote No anyway.


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Old 07-25-2021, 08:45 AM   #1123
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I have been reading other “biased” articles from various schools recently trying to get an idea of where some of the schools may be in terms of their vote. I’m sure most of it is just opinions of the writer, but a Razorback article i saw earlier claims there may be a 4th no. Their guess, A&M and Mizzou are hard No’s as well as Arkansas who is supposedly still butthurt from SWC days.
Their prediction, LSU with Woodward and his ties to A&M could be the final No vote.

I seriously thing the additional 60+ Million in yearly revenue will over ride any hard feelings and get a unanimous Yes vote unless A&M just wants to stick to principle and vote No anyway.


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Tending to lean on this thought process as well. Not all Aggies are against this though as some assume on here. This is a huge money deal and all schools included will increase revenue significantly. Other thought....If this NIL stuff and Transfer Portal crushes College Sports then I for one will treat them no different than I treat Professional sports. I have better things to do with my time than sit in front of a tv.
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I have been reading other “biased” articles from various schools recently trying to get an idea of where some of the schools may be in terms of their vote. I’m sure most of it is just opinions of the writer, but a Razorback article i saw earlier claims there may be a 4th no. Their guess, A&M and Mizzou are hard No’s as well as Arkansas who is supposedly still butthurt from SWC days.
Their prediction, LSU with Woodward and his ties to A&M could be the final No vote.

I seriously thing the additional 60+ Million in yearly revenue will over ride any hard feelings and get a unanimous Yes vote unless A&M just wants to stick to principle and vote No anyway.


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The vote portion is all but done. That will not be what stops this. There really isn't anything stopping it. Its a done deal. Some are hoping for 2022 but I think 2023 is as early as it gets. The vote has happened so to speak. I'll go out on a limb and say everyone votes yes...even the ags.
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Tending to lean on this thought process as well. Not all Aggies are against this though as some assume on here. This is a huge money deal and all schools included will increase revenue significantly. Other thought....If this NIL stuff and Transfer Portal crushes College Sports then I for one will treat them no different than I treat Professional sports. I have better things to do with my time than sit in front of a tv.

My BIL is one of them that graduated 2015 from A&M. Hes pretty excited to see how it shakes out.

I may be mistaken, but i thought the NIL was pointed toward sponsors/businesses paying the athletes, not the university itself? I haven’t done a deep dive in the workings of that part yet.


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Old 07-25-2021, 09:25 AM   #1126
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The vote portion is all but done. That will not be what stops this. There really isn't anything stopping it. Its a done deal. Some are hoping for 2022 but I think 2023 is as early as it gets. The vote has happened so to speak. I'll go out on a limb and say everyone votes yes...even the ags.

That was my thinking as well. Money Talks, BS walks.

To me, and this is just my opinion, i would imagine they want to get it done and over with as early as possible. Why drag it out to 2023 if their conference agreement goes to 2025? They will still have to pay a severance and will be another year behind in recruiting with de-commits and such.


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That was my thinking as well. Money Talks, BS walks.

To me, and this is just my opinion, i would imagine they want to get it done and over with as early as possible. Why drag it out to 2023 if their conference agreement goes to 2025? They will still have to pay a severance and will be another year behind in recruiting with de-commits and such.

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Nor Texas or OU will pay. They won't have to becuase the others are trying to get into conferences as we speak. Everyone will just go there own way. You might have a Baylor get left out but there will be no one left to ask for money. That is the reason I say '22 or '23. Will depend on how fast everyone else finds a landing spot. Texas and OU would go tomorrow if it could happen. Just too much to work out in a short time period.
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I have been reading other “biased” articles from various schools recently trying to get an idea of where some of the schools may be in terms of their vote. I’m sure most of it is just opinions of the writer, but a Razorback article i saw earlier claims there may be a 4th no. Their guess, A&M and Mizzou are hard No’s as well as Arkansas who is supposedly still butthurt from SWC days.
Their prediction, LSU with Woodward and his ties to A&M could be the final No vote.

I seriously thing the additional 60+ Million in yearly revenue will over ride any hard feelings and get a unanimous Yes vote unless A&M just wants to stick to principle and vote No anyway.


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I think it will ultimately be a unanimous vote. I think A&M’s objection is more than just because of hurt feelings from the past. Being the only state school in the SEC is important for a number of reasons.

I think Arkansas and Mizzou have somewhat legit reasons for objection. I can’t imagine Woodward has enough stroke based simply on his prior relationship at A&M for them to really vote “no.”

Could some of the “objections” be posturing as leverage to get additional concessions in exchange for a “yes” vote (Maybe additional $$, or maybe more say about which POD they are in, etc?)


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Old 07-25-2021, 09:57 AM   #1129
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How could A&M leak a story they knew nothing about? It's looking more and more like a hit job by Texas' PR. They are doing a good job of making it look like A&M is taking the back seat/being run over by UT. Which is the image/appearance UT needs to have in order to be successful recruiting Texas players. A&M PR needs to come out and say we welcome UT to the SEC and we've been excited about the possibility since we first heard about it 8 months ago or 10 months ago.
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How could A&M leak a story they knew nothing about? It's looking more and more like a hit job by Texas' PR. They are doing a good job of making it look like A&M is taking the back seat/being run over by UT. Which is the image/appearance UT needs to have in order to be successful recruiting Texas players. A&M PR needs to come out and say we welcome UT to the SEC and we've been excited about the possibility since we first heard about it 8 months ago or 10 months ago.

A&M Administration knew about it and kept their athletic department in the dark according to the Aggie media guys. They let their guys get blind sided at media days and allowed them to make comments they have had to walk back.

Another interesting tidbit, it was OU that reached out first, followed by Texas.
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I think it will ultimately be a unanimous vote. I think A&M’s objection is more than just because of hurt feelings from the past. Being the only state school in the SEC is important for a number of reasons.

I think Arkansas and Mizzou have somewhat legit reasons for objection. I can’t imagine Woodward has enough stroke based simply on his prior relationship at A&M for them to really vote “no.”

Could some of the “objections” be posturing as leverage to get additional concessions in exchange for a “yes” vote (Maybe additional $$, or maybe more say about which POD they are in, etc?)


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I don’t see Arkansas and Mizzou objecting. It’s more money and helps them gain additional access to Texas for recruiting. I don’t know why they would be against a move.
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A&M Administration knew about it and kept their athletic department in the dark according to the Aggie media guys. They let their guys get blind sided at media days and allowed them to make comments they have had to walk back.

Another interesting tidbit, it was OU that reached out first, followed by Texas.


Yep, presidents were all involved. The AD was clueless and caught off guard. He has since walked everything back.

Now they’re ready. I’m guessing some folks above missed the AD’s original comments and yesterday’s 180.

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How could A&M leak a story they knew nothing about? It's looking more and more like a hit job by Texas' PR. They are doing a good job of making it look like A&M is taking the back seat/being run over by UT. Which is the image/appearance UT needs to have in order to be successful recruiting Texas players. A&M PR needs to come out and say we welcome UT to the SEC and we've been excited about the possibility since we first heard about it 8 months ago or 10 months ago.


I’ll be honest, this theory crossed my mind a couple of days ago when people questioned the timing of A&M leaking the news just before Jimbo hit the stage at media days. Honestly, it makes more sense that UT would leak the news (to A&M best writer) on the day that Jimbo is set to speak in order to dominate the news cycle, while also sending the remaining BigXII schools scrambling to jump ship and find a new conference in order to avoid a buyout.

I’m not saying that’s how it went down, but it would definitely be a strong play by tu! Kudos if that’s how it happened!


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Old 07-25-2021, 10:22 AM   #1134
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Yep, presidents were all involved. The AD was clueless and caught off guard. He has since walked everything back.

Now they’re ready. I’m guessing some folks above missed the AD’s original comments and yesterday’s 180.

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They let their guys get blind sided at media days and allowed them to make comments they have had to walk back.
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All the more reason to think (hope) it was tu that leaked the story.

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I don’t see Arkansas and Mizzou objecting. It’s more money and helps them gain additional access to Texas for recruiting. I don’t know why they would be against a move.
I tend to agree. I alluded to “somewhat legit reason”, but I can’t imagine hard feelings from Previous conference dealings standing in the way of a huge financial windfall.




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Old 07-25-2021, 10:34 AM   #1135
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Maybe….

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Old 07-25-2021, 10:36 AM   #1136
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How could A&M leak a story they knew nothing about? It's looking more and more like a hit job by Texas' PR. They are doing a good job of making it look like A&M is taking the back seat/being run over by UT. Which is the image/appearance UT needs to have in order to be successful recruiting Texas players. A&M PR needs to come out and say we welcome UT to the SEC and we've been excited about the possibility since we first heard about it 8 months ago or 10 months ago.
They didn't know about it 8-10 months ago. The only recently found out about it and were livid to say the least. And had very good reason to be livid. That said they were told by SEC to not to release the info and they did anyway. Let's say the SEC was none to happy. Over the last few days boths sides have used calmer heads and seem to be ready to move on. You even had Ag AD come out and say "we're ready". I think everyone is on the same page now and moving forward. SEC was right in the end for excluding ags in conversation. That was proven by Ags leaking story.
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Old 07-25-2021, 10:38 AM   #1137
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Except media days aren't that big of a deal. Does anyone even watch?

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Old 07-25-2021, 10:45 AM   #1138
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… Their prediction, LSU with Woodward and his ties to A&M could be the final No vote. ..
Scott Woodward has absolutely ZERO allegiance to Texas A&M. His paycheck comes from the State of Louisiana. He was born and grew up in Baton Rouge and is an LSU alumni. Woodward’s #1 responsibility as the Athletic Director is to make LSU more profitable and competitive in ALL sports. His current job is merely a stepping stone. Woodward has made it publicly clear that he wants to be the next LSU President. A vote for NO on conference expansion is a bad PR move and would result in LSU missing out on over $100,000,000 in the next 3-4 years. A YES vote will financially benefit LSU for decades, and all but guarantee SW is selected as the next LSU President.
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Old 07-25-2021, 10:56 AM   #1139
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The AD’s don’t make these decision.


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Old 07-25-2021, 11:18 AM   #1140
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Old 07-25-2021, 11:26 AM   #1141
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A&M Administration knew about it and kept their athletic department in the dark according to the Aggie media guys. They let their guys get blind sided at media days and allowed them to make comments they have had to walk back.

Another interesting tidbit, it was OU that reached out first, followed by Texas.
This is true….the progressive liberal administration of Texas A&M is about as useless as they come. There’s no love loss between Jimbo and those knuckleheads. They’d rather all sports be played with no winners or losers….the participation trophy generation.
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Old 07-25-2021, 11:32 AM   #1142
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Old 07-25-2021, 11:50 AM   #1143
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I’ll be honest, this theory crossed my mind a couple of days ago when people questioned the timing of A&M leaking the news just before Jimbo hit the stage at media days. Honestly, it makes more sense that UT would leak the news (to A&M best writer) on the day that Jimbo is set to speak in order to dominate the news cycle, while also sending the remaining BigXII schools scrambling to jump ship and find a new conference in order to avoid a buyout.

I’m not saying that’s how it went down, but it would definitely be a strong play by tu! Kudos if that’s how it happened!


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No doubt..... If it was A&M why would they leak it a few minutes before Jimbo went on? Aggies do some dumb stuff but that would take the cake!!!
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The AD’s don’t make these decision.
Woodward was very much aware of what was going on behind closed doors with the talk of UT/OU conference merger. The previous LSU President resigned and left Baton Rouge in December 2019 due to the Board of Supervisors calling for his head. With reports circulating that he was fixing to be fired, he quit and took a job at Oregon State. (For those who don’t know, this was the same idiot who jumped to conclusions and F’d up the Duke Lacrosse scandal.) Without a University President, LSU immediately began conducting a search for his replacement. LSU was without a University President from Jan 2020 to June 2021; approximately 17 months. Pretty much the same time frame that OU initially reached out to the SEC
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Nope. But, I bet he was well aware of everything.

Since…. LSU AD Scott Woodward's father in law is NCAA President Mark Emmert.

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Nope. But, I bet he was well aware of everything.

Since…. LSU AD Scott Woodward's father in law is NCAA President Mark Emmert.

Now they are saying additional teams have reached out to the SEC in joining and we're not talking about the Big 12 leftovers. SEC could go to 20-24 teams and be a division upon itself.
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This is true….the progressive liberal administration of Texas A&M is about as useless as they come. There’s no love loss between Jimbo and those knuckleheads. They’d rather all sports be played with no winners or losers….the participation trophy generation.
James is not going to be happy with you admitting this…
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I don't think this is what Michael meant by a "ramp up" in his thread title. This has morphed more into like a snowball rolling downhill......rapidly...
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James is not going to be happy with you admitting this…

Hahahahaha....I thought "that is gonna trigger a bunch of Ags."
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