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Old 10-03-2017, 09:41 AM   #451
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I’m not ragging on you but who is “they” and what purpose are they hiding it for?
if we are all wearing our tin foil hats... there are a couple on gun bills going to vote this month from what I hear. so seems like prefect timing for another mass shooting and "never let a tragedy go to waste". Killary wasted no time on her political stance on gun regulations and even had to mention "silencers".
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Looks like is anti trump, Obama supportor, and liberal


Figures!
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I’m not ragging on you but who is “they” and what purpose are they hiding it for?

Thats my point. Common sense says nobody was shooting from the 4th floor.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:51 AM   #454
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Watching videos and I kept trying to see the flash from the 32nd floor but never did. Just ran across this. Interesting and you can see the flash.

https://youtu.be/475_Hc5MheI
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Assuming this is a video I saw earlier with flashes from 3-4th floor. I have no idea what to make of it. It looks strange.
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Here is another video supposedly showing a lower level shooter. I think it's a taxi driver taking the video.

Mandalay Bay More Evidence of 4th Story Shooter - YouTube
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This cab driver has a 18 minute video.
This video is just a small clip.
She picks up a car load of people fleeing concert.

And to me that looks like muzzle blast down on lower levels.
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Pretty convincing having two videos showing same thing and timed with report of rifles. One thing I haven’t noticed in any videos is the muzzle flash from the 32nd floor.....
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Same here. Can't find a video showing the flash from the far right 32nd floor. Lots of videos you can easily see what looks like muzzle flash from the 4th and a bit left of center of the building.
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I guess this is the video from far away but you can still notice the flash.
https://youtu.be/iuv4cLjQqNE
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I thought reflection too. But of what??? Can’t be of the 32nd floor.... doesn’t match the sign below it.... no cop cars on scene.... definitely needs to be investigated. But if you can’t open the windows, and that one isn’t broken, then it wasn’t gun fire coming from there.
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Only reflecting off a single window on a tower of nothing but windows?
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Devils advocate. Ok so let's assume the 4th floor videos are true, and there are multiple out there now so that may not be a stretch! What's the story? Second shooter?
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I wonder if the 4th floor room has been investigated, surely it has. There is ways of removing sections of glass without busting a window, right? If someone wanted to be stealthy thats one way to do it. One obvious hide and another not so?

I realize that is very conspiracy theorist-esque but nothing is adding up.
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Watch the one called a second angle of the person videoing while driving by on the street
They saw it from the 4th floor and videotaped it.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R6a78gZNT84&feature=share

Another video showing some sort of "flash" in same window area as others.
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Interestingly enough, clicked over to the news and happened to notice flashing on the side of a building coming off one window.... trying to figure out how to get the video loaded
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Man I’ve seen about 3 different videos showing flashes on a low floor. This is so weird.

Can we now bury the "4th floor shooter" theory ?

video of "flashing" blue light taken 6 hours after the shooter had expired

it was likely a hearing impaired fire alarm strobe light.
Gunsmoke had previously set off alarms on the 32nd floor



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rpv...ature=youtu.be




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Old 10-03-2017, 10:26 AM   #456
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Can we now bury the "4th floor shooter" theory ?



video of "flashing" blue light taken 6 hours after the shooter had expired



it was likely a hearing impaired fire alarm strobe light.

Gunsmoke had previously set off alarms on the 32nd floor






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rpv...ature=youtu.be









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Old 10-03-2017, 10:27 AM   #457
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:29 AM   #458
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Was he using an m249 SAW?
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:30 AM   #459
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Can we now bury the "4th floor shooter" theory ?

video of "flashing" blue light taken 6 hours after the shooter had expired

it was likely a hearing impaired fire alarm strobe light.
Gunsmoke had previously set off alarms on the 32nd floor



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rpv...ature=youtu.be




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I glad you posted this before I took the time to look at all these vids..although I would have probably come to the same conclusion a few min into the first one.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:35 AM   #460
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Can we now bury the "4th floor shooter" theory ?

video of "flashing" blue light taken 6 hours after the shooter had expired

it was likely a hearing impaired fire alarm strobe light.
Gunsmoke had previously set off alarms on the 32nd floor



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rpv...ature=youtu.be




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Thank you Was really hoping there would be an answer to that flashing.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:35 AM   #461
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You got it. I could be color blind and not able to judge height.

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Can we now bury the "4th floor shooter" theory ?

video of "flashing" blue light taken 6 hours after the shooter had expired

it was likely a hearing impaired fire alarm strobe light.
Gunsmoke had previously set off alarms on the 32nd floor



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rpv...ature=youtu.be




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Old 10-03-2017, 10:39 AM   #462
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Was he using an m249 SAW?
No, AR15 with a bumpfire stock. Go back in the thread, I posted a pic.

Scoped AR10 in there as well.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:40 AM   #463
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Some gun pics released. Thought it doesn't show all of them, the ones here don't have silencers. What they all do have is the Bump Stock rapid fire setup.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7980831.html
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:44 AM   #464
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Some gun pics released. Thought it doesn't show all of them, the ones here don't have silencers. What they all do have is the Bump Stock rapid fire setup.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7980831.html
That daniel defense AR10 does not have a bump fire stock on it.

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Old 10-03-2017, 10:45 AM   #465
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Can we now bury the "4th floor shooter" theory ?

video of "flashing" blue light taken 6 hours after the shooter had expired

it was likely a hearing impaired fire alarm strobe light.
Gunsmoke had previously set off alarms on the 32nd floor



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rpv...ature=youtu.be




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The flashing isnt what caught my attention but the sound. Sounds like one gun is way closer than the other. Or maybe yall can explain it to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNiRr763gJA
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:48 AM   #466
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Echo.

and if you are meaning the video from the crowd getting shot at, the loudest sound is the supersonic crack of incoming bullets, then you hear the muffled muzzle blast
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:50 AM   #467
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The flashing isnt what caught my attention but the sound. Sounds like one gun is way closer than the other. Or maybe yall can explain it to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNiRr763gJA
Early reports were that some were .223, and others .308.

There is a similar flashing light in the other hotel behind that guy.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:58 AM   #468
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It seems like other guests on the 3-5th floors would be speaking up about the gunfire....then again, I havn't seen anyone from the 31-33rd floor interviewed either.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:59 AM   #469
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Is that a second shooter or just an echo from the shots fired in the distance in that video?
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:02 AM   #470
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Is that a second shooter or just an echo from the shots fired in the distance in that video?
It sounds to me like a mixture of live fire, echos off of other large structures, and bullet impacts. Very creepy.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:04 AM   #471
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Are there any actual new facts that have come out?
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:06 AM   #472
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Link?
There is this. Not saying that's his motive behind the shooting.


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Old 10-03-2017, 11:11 AM   #473
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There is this. Not saying that's his motive behind the shooting.


https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/veg...ntitrump.html/
It's not even confirmed that is the same guy.
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It's not even confirmed that is the same guy.
No, but that is where all the "leftist" speculation is stemming from.
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Country music supporters are majority republicans. He was anti trump and an obummer guy. Best chance to kill a bunch of trump supporters and do it safely up high. So that is what he did.

Then the coward killed himself
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No, but that is where all the "leftist" speculation is stemming from.
Plus his FB

It's not speculation.
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No, but that is where all the "leftist" speculation is stemming from.
Oh I got ya. Yeah that is where a lot of speculation is coming from. There are just very few facts and confirmations at this point.
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Are there any actual new facts that have come out?
Only the gun pics and the pic of him in a pool of blood with a blood spattered revolver.
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Country music supporters are majority republicans. He was anti trump and an obummer guy. Best chance to kill a bunch of trump supporters and do it safely up high. So that is what he did.

Then the coward killed himself
Source? I haven't seen anything from him himself.

Edit: Sorry misread your post and thought it said "that is what he said".
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Plus his FB

It's not speculation.
I hadn't seen his FB. The problem is there is no reputable news source anymore so until there is a consensus amongst all or most of them who knows what to believe.
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Are there any actual new facts that have come out?
not yet since LEO are investigating 4 different crime scenes, could be more based on property owned by Paddock. This info below was already shared with the public by the Clark County SO
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Law enforcement officers had conducted a floor by floor search beginning on the 29th floor. Upon arriving at Paddock's suite on the 32nd floor, they announced themselves. Paddock responded by shooting through the door, wounding a security guard in the leg, Lombardo said. "They received gunfire. They backed off and SWAT responded," said a somber Lombardo. They entered the room to find Paddock dead. The sheriff said investigators believe Paddock killed himself.
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I hadn't seen his FB. The problem is there is no reputable news source anymore so until there is a consensus amongst all or most of them who knows what to believe.
Yeah I haven't sen anything about his facebook page.
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Plus his FB

It's not speculation.

I've sorted through a ton on info on this and I have yet to see a reliable FB page of his.

Link it if it exist.
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Patience grasshoppers
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:21 AM   #485
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No, but that is where all the "leftist" speculation is stemming from.
That plus common sense. If he were conservative he would have been labeled a long time ago. The media staying quiet speaks volumes.
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I think he was referring to post 16 & 35 from the top. That John guy posting all of that warning last month something like this is going to happen in Vegas.

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That plus common sense. If he were conservative he would have been labeled a long time ago. The media staying quiet speaks volumes.
Exactly.
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Plus his FB

It's not speculation.
I read he had no social media ...

Just saw that someone else posted photos that are allegedly him.

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Old 10-03-2017, 11:27 AM   #490
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That plus common sense. If he were conservative he would have been labeled a long time ago. The media staying quiet speaks volumes.
Im not sure why people think it's quiet - He just doesn't fit the bill.

No criminal history, has money, no social media rants. They have dug quite a bit, they just aren't finding anything salacious or out of the ordinary.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:28 AM   #491
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Echo.

and if you are meaning the video from the crowd getting shot at, the loudest sound is the supersonic crack of incoming bullets, then you hear the muffled muzzle blast
Some of the sounds, an echo makes sense. But there were some shots that all you heard was the faint sound of an echo. You did not hear the loud report that you can clearly hear from the other shots. This leads one to come to the conclusion that shoots were occurring at 2 locations. However, the faint reports could have come from police shooting at the gun man in the hotel. That could be an explanation.
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Country music supporters are majority republicans. He was anti trump and an obummer guy. Best chance to kill a bunch of trump supporters and do it safely up high. So that is what he did.

Then the coward killed himself
Where are you getting this information from? I can't find any reliable news yet that he was anti trump. All I have seen is the post by Pam Geller that he was at an Anti-Trump rally wearing pink, and that is pretty weak evidence...you can't even tell if it is him. If you have something more reliable, I'd love to see it.
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Im not sure why people think it's quiet - He just doesn't fit the bill.

No criminal history, has money, no social media rants. They have dug quite a bit, they just aren't finding anything salacious or out of the ordinary.
Evil being evil is hard to grasp without a face of a monster.
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That plus common sense. If he were conservative he would have been labeled a long time ago. The media staying quiet speaks volumes.

That's what I'm thinking. I pay as much mind to what people aren't saying as what they are.
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More pics of the hotel room.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ck-s-room.html
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Country music supporters are majority republicans. He was anti trump and an obummer guy. Best chance to kill a bunch of trump supporters and do it safely up high. So that is what he did.

Then the coward killed himself
That's the obvious knee-jerk reaction and pretty much what a lot of people are waiting for, but nothing seems to be real obvious with this guy. Kinda odd if you ask me. If this guy was anti-trump/anti-conservative you would think it would be documented somewhere/somehow and would already be reported, like in the past with this type of situation. I'm still waiting to hear something, just like everyone else.

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That plus common sense. If he were conservative he would have been labeled a long time ago. The media staying quiet speaks volumes.
I don't think the media has been quiet about this story at-all. Non-stop coverage since it happened.
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That's the obvious knee-jerk reaction and pretty much what a lot of people are waiting for, but nothing seems to be real obvious with this guy. Kinda odd if you ask me. If this guy was anti-trump/anti-conservative you would think it would be documented somewhere/somehow and would already be reported, like in the past with this type of situation. I'm still waiting to hear something, just like everyone else.



I don't think the media has been quiet about this story at-all. Non-stop coverage since it happened.

Agreed - the media was quick to give us details about the congressional baseball practice shooters anti-republican/Trump background - definitely seems they are having some difficulty finding any kind of public profile built out to report on - in the mean time law enforcement will do a proper and more thorough job of digging in to his non public profile and eventually release the details
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:06 PM   #500
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That's what I'm thinking. I pay as much mind to what people aren't saying as what they are.
x2! The liberal media woulda been all over it if he was conservative. They are hush tho
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