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Old 05-14-2019, 07:42 PM   #51
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No offense to wakeboard/skiers but I hate y’all lol most of them on lake placid are just extremely rude and will get within feet of you.


I hear ya. I haven’t ridden in years but just like anything else there is etiquette, and unfortunately some don’t follow it
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:01 PM   #52
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Follow this link for some drone footage of the lake

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Old 05-14-2019, 08:50 PM   #53
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Place should be crawling with metal detectors this weekend.

I wonder what the laws are on excavating in front of your house to make a deeper swimming hole, or cut ditches for fish highways?

When Granbury dried up a few years ago, several guys made a lot of money taking boats out of slings and hauling them out for folks.


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Old 05-14-2019, 08:59 PM   #54
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That’s awful. Used to fish it.
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:04 PM   #55
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I wondered if anyone was out on the lake in a boat and got stuck...doesn’t look like it was ever very deep.


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Old 05-14-2019, 09:16 PM   #56
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We will finally get the salmon runs back into Central Texas!
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:48 PM   #57
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We have a house on Dunlap and this is just sickening. There go all the summer plans. I’ve heard a rumor of $10million to fix the dam and 4-5 years to repair.
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We have a house on Dunlap and this is just sickening. There go all the summer plans. I’ve heard a rumor of $10million to fix the dam and 4-5 years to repair.


Sucks for y’all for sure. I hope they find ways to improve the lake in the meantime, and fix it quickly.


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Old 05-14-2019, 10:42 PM   #59
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Just read they expect lake to be completely empty by day's end.
It's a river, that they ****ed up. So at the worst, it will be just the Guadalupe River through that area, like it was before the ****.
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:46 PM   #60
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It's a river, that they ****ed up. So at the worst, it will be just the Guadalupe River through that area, like it was before the ****.
True, Unfortunately there are dams on the upstream side that restrict that flow. Like canyon lake. It’s gonna be a trickle.
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:46 PM   #61
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We will finally get the salmon runs back into Central Texas!
No, but the sturgeon will probably be back.
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:52 PM   #62
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Sure. Unfortunately there are dams on the upstream side that restrict that flow. Like canyon lake. Good in theory though.
There is the dam at Canyon Lake, then one in New Braunfels upstream of 35. Then there is Lake Placid dam, Lake Dunlap dam, not sure which is up stream of the other. Then Lake McQueeney, then there is another lake in Seguin. As long as there is water flowing from Canyon Lake dam, there will be some water going down stream to where Dunlap is. But I think at this time of the year, they cut the flow back quite a bit from Canyon Lake Dam. They may intentionally drain the whole thing to do repairs.
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Sad deal . What was deepest water depth in that lake ?
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:54 PM   #64
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40ft near the dam.
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:56 PM   #65
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Dunlap is the next lake down from canyon. There is canyon lake dam, then one under 35, then Dunlap, McQueeney, placid, meadow lake, and so on. You are right bout them draining the lake to make repairs. I’m sure they will replace all the gates. Not just the one that failed.

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Old 05-15-2019, 08:42 AM   #66
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Ouch! Lots of summer recreation just went down stream in a hurry.

Going to be some prime land deals for some people in the coming months. Some "long term" investment opportunities. Also, an opportunity for some people to have dock repairs and other renovations completed.
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Ya canyon will see an increase of people I bet.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:28 AM   #68
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No offense to wakeboard/skiers but I hate y’all lol most of them on lake placid are just extremely rude and will get within feet of you.
I am confused how your takeaway from what I said was that I am a wakeboarder that you should hate.
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:40 AM   #69
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How many home are vacation rentals vs how many people actually live on the lake? I wonder if anyone will be selling their houses because of this
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:48 AM   #70
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**** skiers....
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:50 AM   #71
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Full offense they're a bunch of jack asses...
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:56 AM   #72
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How many home are vacation rentals vs how many people actually live on the lake? I wonder if anyone will be selling their houses because of this
Good question. I would say the majority are either full time residents or vacation homes. There are certainly some rentals. The attraction to Lake Dunlap is there is limited public access. I think there is only one public boat ramp.
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:58 AM   #73
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How many home are vacation rentals vs how many people actually live on the lake? I wonder if anyone will be selling their houses because of this
It'll definitely be a bad time to sell. I'm sure there were a few that were already up for sale. Horrible luck for them.
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:02 AM   #74
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It'll definitely be a bad time to sell. I'm sure there were a few that were already up for sale. Horrible luck for them.
On the other hand, it could be a great time to buy while values are down..
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:14 AM   #75
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On the other hand, it could be a great time to buy while values are down..
A few years ago during the peak of the drought values really fell on properties around Lake Granbury. Looking out across a once beautiful cove and seeing just acres of chest-high weeds does a number on values - especially when some "experts" were saying that lake would never fill again.
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:42 AM   #76
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Good question. I would say the majority are either full time residents or vacation homes. There are certainly some rentals. The attraction to Lake Dunlap is there is limited public access. I think there is only one public boat ramp.
I would say if anyone sells right now they are either an idiot or have enough money that they aren't worried about the loss.
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Old 05-15-2019, 12:06 PM   #77
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I would say if anyone sells right now they are either an idiot or have enough money that they aren't worried about the loss.
Yeah, or it's just really bad timing and they can't put it off. Divorce, elderly people having to move to a retirement community, etc. I've seen people in bad situations forced to sell for half of what they could get if they had the luxury of a few months time.
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Old 05-15-2019, 12:27 PM   #78
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Who’s gonna start the first tube rental outfit in the “lake”?


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Yeah, or it's just really bad timing and they can't put it off. Divorce, elderly people having to move to a retirement community, etc. I've seen people in bad situations forced to sell for half of what they could get if they had the luxury of a few months time.
Good point
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Who’s gonna start the first tube rental outfit in the “lake”?


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Lets do it! All we need is a trashed out bus with some rattle can paint, bunch of tubes and rickety trailer. The scenery would be hard to beat!
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Old 05-15-2019, 02:34 PM   #81
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A few years ago during the peak of the drought values really fell on properties around Lake Granbury. Looking out across a once beautiful cove and seeing just acres of chest-high weeds does a number on values - especially when some "experts" were saying that lake would never fill again.
The exact same thing happened with Lake Travis. Idk where it's saved, but I made a graph a year or so ago that showed the water level of Lake Travis, along side the number of waterfront, million dollar homes actively listed for sale, and the number of waterfront, million dollars homes that sold.

As you can imagine-- the number of waterfront, luxury properties that were listed/sold directly followed the height of the lake. When Travis filled up over 50' in 2 quick storms, the amount of inventory sky rocketed the following month.

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Any new pics today?
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Old 05-15-2019, 03:25 PM   #83
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Video of the dam bursting!

https://www.facebook.com/GBRAofTexas...ref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARCszJ6RsXCeSdp7RXxYvGmQMpNswEhr0moPMIh1M96yDg _XfC-Zbs1fSjp5-w7k1sY3daszg075sWijIEcwNG44BF3H5ytVGe-LyC-YlhqOwYQH-AyCcwq6dMUc0piWWtlL6FFt3viLyNdwkZ39jYMCCEbc9xxp8Yg kAe89i5-C0CyRnhrvcGvWulGJxufaeyjbnslYZ922S5_iJj_j8B6zjqYGc YAAtit8_3NwMhCMJ52kX6E5HhQCQ-qkonhr5WdeT2vcIulrnYTjTNEEHzc2N--o7k-QAyR4rjgsRfc6AB08v1nop9yn1OcbQ0ONLSBrRrehNRrNDjqec JGMia2jo42ZEWGc
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Video of the dam bursting!

https://www.facebook.com/GBRAofTexas...ref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARCszJ6RsXCeSdp7RXxYvGmQMpNswEhr0moPMIh1M96yDg _XfC-Zbs1fSjp5-w7k1sY3daszg075sWijIEcwNG44BF3H5ytVGe-LyC-YlhqOwYQH-AyCcwq6dMUc0piWWtlL6FFt3viLyNdwkZ39jYMCCEbc9xxp8Yg kAe89i5-C0CyRnhrvcGvWulGJxufaeyjbnslYZ922S5_iJj_j8B6zjqYGc YAAtit8_3NwMhCMJ52kX6E5HhQCQ-qkonhr5WdeT2vcIulrnYTjTNEEHzc2N--o7k-QAyR4rjgsRfc6AB08v1nop9yn1OcbQ0ONLSBrRrehNRrNDjqec JGMia2jo42ZEWGc
now that will make ya think twice about fishing below a dam/spillway again!
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Local news just said Kyle gets it's water from Dunlap.

Never heard this. If this is true it'll be fixed quickly
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Local news just said Kyle gets it's water from Dunlap.

Never heard this. If this is true it'll be fixed quickly


Not sure who all gets water from it but Canyon Regional water has an office and pumps right by the dam. I believe Cibolo and Marion got some water from Dunlap.
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Old 05-15-2019, 08:22 PM   #87
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Video of the dam bursting!

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Wow!!!!!
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:45 PM   #89
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Man that would be scary fishing below that, hope they get it fixed quick
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:23 PM   #90
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Be surprised if repaired in the next 5 years. Lake Wood in Gonzales has been getting the run around for about that long. At least Lake front property value will be lowered
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Be surprised if repaired in the next 5 years. Lake Wood in Gonzales has been getting the run around for about that long. At least Lake front property value will be lowered
When they figure in how much they stand to lose in property taxes we re appraised next year. On top of the that the water issue I am starting to think there will be fix sooner than later. I think they stand to lose more in taxes and water sales or enough anyway to get a solution sooner than later.

Way more people effected here than in Gonzales unfortunately.
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When they figure in how much they stand to lose in property taxes we re appraised next year. On top of the that the water issue I am starting to think there will be fix sooner than later. I think they stand to lose more in taxes and water sales or enough anyway to get a solution sooner than later.



Way more people effected here than in Gonzales unfortunately.


You can’t just build a dam. It has to be planned, engineered, designed and built. Government agency in charge of it all. Not to mention all that money has to come from somewhere.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:58 AM   #93
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You can’t just build a dam. It has to be planned, engineered, designed and built. Government agency in charge of it all. Not to mention all that money has to come from somewhere.
Oh I hear ya not saying it will get done this year, but I am saying with that much revenue being lost it will happen faster than people are thinking.
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Oh I hear ya not saying it will get done this year, but I am saying with that much revenue being lost it will happen faster than people are thinking.
The spokeswoman for the GBRA said whatever will happen, is going to take years. I’d bet money there is still no dam there in 3 years.
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You can’t just build a dam. It has to be planned, engineered, designed and built. Government agency in charge of it all. Not to mention all that money has to come from somewhere.
When the Austin Dam broke in 1900, it took them 40 years to figure out a better solution. The old dam was made with the same granite used to build the Capitol.

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Oh I hear ya not saying it will get done this year, but I am saying with that much revenue being lost it will happen faster than people are thinking.
Not happening any time soon. It is not that much revenue vs what it cost to rebuild it. The taxes wont be that far off. They will be considered river front now vs lakefront. I think you will be surprised how much this will cost to engineer and construct. Now if Kyle/Buda do not have another water source that might push it along a little faster but outside of that it will be a slow process.
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Not happening any time soon. It is not that much revenue vs what it cost to rebuild it. The taxes wont be that far off. They will be considered river front now vs lakefront. I think you will be surprised how much this will cost to engineer and construct. Now if Kyle/Buda do not have another water source that might push it along a little faster but outside of that it will be a slow process.


I read Kyle had two other main sources of water. Dunlap was like back up or used very little.
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I read Kyle had two other main sources of water. Dunlap was like back up or used very little.
Then there is zero urgency.
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Notes I saw posted from GBRA meeting. (not mine - Long post...)

The video that was posted of the meeting the GBRA had with Guadalupe County Commissioners Court last month is very enlightening. For those that want the cliffnotes version, here's what I believe answers some of the biggest questions. But, someone else who listened to the whole thing like it I did, please feel free to set me straight if I misunderstood:

1 - How did they not see this coming? > They were completely well aware that the dams were old and in need of being replaced. In fact, they had already been working on obtaining engineering reports/estimates to replace the entire chain of dams.

2 - What exactly happened? > [This was not addressed as Dunlap obviously hadn't failed at the time of the meeting, but here's a summation of a likely culprit] The inside of the dams look like a skeleton made of steel. Most likely, some of the skeleton gave way which weakened the structure. Once the right piece(s) of the skeleton were compromised the structure could no longer hold its shape/placement.

3 - What would it cost to fix? > The engineering reports they've been gathering regarding replacing the entire chain of dams is not yet complete but has already gone from 5 - 15 (ish) million to potentially, 20+ million per dam. Obviously, each dam will cost a little different so take that into consideration as well.

4 - Why don't they have the money to fix it? > The GBRA does not generate enough income to cover their costs, plus ongoing maintenance, and then also set aside money for a rainy day. The money they do obtain after paying for all of their costs is still not enough to make payments on a loan the size of what would be required to replace the dams. Think of it this way, even if they were able to somehow set aside 1 million dollars per year, it would take 20 years of those savings just to (potentially) replace one dam.

5 - Why don't they use money the dams generate in providing electricity? > The GBRA has not profited from the sale of electricity since 2011 (estimated). The cost of repairs and maintenance to the dams and associated energy systems, plus personnel, has been greater than the income from the sale of electricity. They earn much more on the sale of water, but it's still not enough to pay for dam replacements.

6 - In a perfect world, how long would it take to replace the dam at Dunlap with a modern design? > If they had the funding, and the weather cooperated, a minimum of 26 months.

7 - What about flood control? > The GBRA does not consider the dams below Canyon Lake to be flood control dams due to liability purposes. Do they help during a flood? Absolutely. But, that's not the purpose that the GBRA can outwardly advertise.

Summary - The GBRA is looking for an entity to partner with to help tackle the issue of replacing the entire chain of dams. They do not have the revenue to afford this on their own and they have determined that there is no state/fed assistance available at this time.
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