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Old 01-27-2021, 08:06 AM   #1
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Default .45-70 Lever Action Recoil

I know this is a subjective question, but I am itching for a lever action rifle probably in ..45-70. I was wondering what the recoil is like say compared to a bolt action hunting rifle. Thank in advance for your help.
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Old 01-27-2021, 08:10 AM   #2
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I am not a fan of recoil. I had one, Marlin Guide, and sold it. It hurt my soul to shoot it! I did kill two deer with it before I sold it though.
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Old 01-27-2021, 08:22 AM   #3
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I have the Henry octagon barrel. The weight absorbs the recoil
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Old 01-27-2021, 08:27 AM   #4
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Depends on the load, and how you shoot it. Stout loads off the bench aren’t a whole lot of fun. Field positions that let your body move with the recoil isn’t too bad at all. Overall, the 45/70’s recoil is typically a slower, heavy push as compared to the sharp snap of something like a hot 7 or 300. There are a wide range of ammo choices and bullet weights for the 45/70 which will make a big difference in recoil.
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Old 01-27-2021, 08:50 AM   #5
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Old 01-27-2021, 08:50 AM   #6
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My 1895G is factory ported and I feel like this gun has much more of a push than it does a kick. I throughly enjoy shooting it
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Old 01-27-2021, 09:10 AM   #7
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Have you ever been kicked by a mule?
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Old 01-27-2021, 09:16 AM   #8
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My 1895 will knock the snot outta you!
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Old 01-27-2021, 09:17 AM   #9
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With the standard Winchester 300gr JHP at 1700fps, it’s about like a 12 gauge. Handloads with a 300gr hard cast gas check run up to 2200+FPS, and it recoils like a 300 Weatherby. I’ve also loaded 405gr to 1850fps in my Guide Gun, and that is some heavy recoil. Those same 405’s at the factory load of 1300fps are absolute cream puffs and will still flatten anything within 100yds

Also highly recommend the Guide Gun over a longer barrel. Longer barrel doesn’t really get you much additional effective range, but the quick handling of the Guide Gun is noticeably better than the full length rifle.

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Old 01-27-2021, 09:28 AM   #10
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With the standard Winchester 300gr JHP at 1700fps, itís about like a 12 gauge. Handloads with a 300gr hard cast gas check run up to 2200+FPS, and it recoils like a 300 Weatherby. Iíve also loaded 405gr to 1850fps in my Guide Gun, and that is some heavy recoil. Those same 405ís at the factory load of 1300fps are absolute cream puffs and will still flatten anything within 100yds

Also highly recommend the Guide Gun over a longer barrel. Longer barrel doesnít really get you much additional effective range, but the quick handling of the Guide Gun is noticeably better than the full length rifle.

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Old 01-27-2021, 09:33 AM   #11
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Remington 405 grain are powder puffs and very accurate. Some 45-70 loads are beasts. Some ammo can be shot in new and old rifles. Lower pressures. Some loads are too hot to be fired in old rifles and it states that on the box.
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Old 01-27-2021, 09:34 AM   #12
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I have owned .45/70's of different flavors for 50 years. Levers and single shots. Have about a dozen different bullet molds from 300 grain to 545 grain for them. People's preferences vary, of course, and I have other rifles to shoot tiny groups with, and other rifles that shoot much flatter trajectories, but the .45/70 is my most used hunting caliber.
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Old 01-27-2021, 09:37 AM   #13
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I have several 1895's been shooting them for years. Light loads (cowboy action) are nothing But run a stiff hunting load through it and it will definitely clear your sinus out.
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:18 AM   #14
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I know a light load of RE7(32-34gr) and a 300gr bullet is something a child could shoot with no problem out of a Guide Gun, serious as a heart attack.
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Old 02-01-2021, 10:51 AM   #15
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A lot depends on the load, but it’s called T Rex killer for a reason!
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Old 02-01-2021, 11:49 AM   #16
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Remington 405 grain are powder puffs and very accurate. Some 45-70 loads are beasts. Some ammo can be shot in new and old rifles. Lower pressures. Some loads are too hot to be fired in old rifles and it states that on the box.


I have the regular henry without the octagonal barrel.

The 405 remingtons feel like a 20 gauge to me. Real easy on recoil.

The 325 Hornady rounds are an entire different animal but still nowhere near my 300 RUM recoil wise. Very manageable.
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Old 02-01-2021, 12:19 PM   #17
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1895 G here. Standing or off sticks it’s not too bad at all. Sighting it in on a bench is awful.
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Old 02-01-2021, 12:34 PM   #18
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1895 G here. Standing or off sticks itís not too bad at all. Sighting it in on a bench is awful.
Same here. Trying to work up loads is punishment.

Now my subsonic 450 gr rounds are powderpuffs.
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Old 02-01-2021, 12:38 PM   #19
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My Henry may be the hardest kicking gun I own.
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Old 02-01-2021, 03:05 PM   #20
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Not all 45-70s are equal that’s for sure. Like others said the 405 corlockt cowboy loads are nothing but the 350gr Winchester Hunting loads are stout for sure. They are fun guns regret selling mine.
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Old 02-01-2021, 04:28 PM   #21
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I’ve shot lots of 45-70’s and I use Buffalo Bore ammo... Recoil has never been an issue... except for the really heavy bullets...
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Old 02-01-2021, 05:58 PM   #22
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Not a lever gun. But I do plan to add a 45-70 T/C barrel in 12" or 14" to my collection of various calibers. Already have the dies, brass, and everything else for reloading.


Love me some straight-wall Mag pistols too. I also hunt with a few slug guns.
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Old 02-01-2021, 06:06 PM   #23
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I find the recoil of a light 270/30-06 worse than the 45-70s that I have shot. The 45-70 has more of a shove similar to a 12 gauge. Whereas a light 30-06 is a very sharp recoil.
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Old 02-01-2021, 07:40 PM   #24
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Lever guns do typically have more recoil in the same caliber than other guns. First because of their weight, then probably stock design and then the older ones, only having a butt plate and no recoil pad. I would bet the more modern guns, such as the Marlins in 45-70, should have some decent recoil pads on them, but other than that, pretty much the same as the older guns.

I personally don't have a problem with the recoil of those guns, but I can tell you, that I definitely notice the recoil more with lever guns.

If you really want to experience some heavy 45-70 recoil. Try a Ruger Number 3, in 45-70, with some really hot 500 gr. solids. You will think the 45-70 lever gun seems like a 223. In guns like the Ruger Number 1 and Number 3, you can load a 45-70 up pretty hot, to the point, it's close ballistically to a 458 Win. Mag.
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Old 02-01-2021, 08:34 PM   #25
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I had a Marlin .45-70 GBL & shot Hornady LeverEvolution ammo. Like others have said, it's more of a stern push than a kick. Never hurt or bruised my but my 7mag would bruise me.
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Old 02-01-2021, 09:07 PM   #26
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I have some 500 gr soliids that will turn your hat sideways


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Old 02-01-2021, 09:18 PM   #27
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With loads at trapdoor pressures, the recoil is pretty light.

I load 420 flat points I cast from wheel weights and push them to around 1500 and they ain’t no joke. You’ll only want a few of them but I like the load. Shoots well and they hit HARD.

When you load 350 grainers to 1900 FPS it’ll rattle your teeth out.
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Old 02-01-2021, 09:32 PM   #28
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i had shot one for nearly 40 years,,,, the factory 300 gr hp from Winchester are listed at 1800 fps,, the recoil is a firm shove not a slam,, lower velocity = longer time of recoil,, higher velocity = faster recoil.... i never found the factory loads to be a rough at all and i had shoulder surgery,, i gave up my 30-06 after that because of the recoil but kept the 45-70 for a long while because it did feel considerably milder

my handloads in my 1895 marlin ran 2050 fps, with a 300 gr hp, considerably hotter than the factory winchester or remington loads i had shot for years,,, the recoil was still not bad,,, no recoil pad either

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Old 02-01-2021, 09:36 PM   #29
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Normal factory about like a 20ga shotgun. Stiff marlin or Ruger only loads about like a 12 gauge. It’s not a big deal at all. Some people talk it up like it’s a 458 Lott or something.
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Old 02-01-2021, 09:39 PM   #30
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My 45-70 GBL isn't to bad, my Marlin 44mag kicks like a three legged ninja. It's the hardest recoiling rifle I own.
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Old 02-01-2021, 09:41 PM   #31
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[QUOTE=RifleBowPistol;15444577
If you really want to experience some heavy 45-70 recoil. Try a Ruger Number 3, in 45-70, with some really hot 500 gr. solids. You will think the 45-70 lever gun seems like a 223. In guns like the Ruger Number 1 and Number 3, you can load a 45-70 up pretty hot, to the point, it's close ballistically to a 458 Win. Mag.[/QUOTE]

I have a #3 and shooting 300gr speers at 2400fps after about 10 or so it gets s bit uncomfortable. That little lever will also break you dang fingers if you donít grab it firm!
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Old 02-02-2021, 07:27 AM   #32
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I have a #3 and shooting 300gr speers at 2400fps after about 10 or so it gets s bit uncomfortable. That little lever will also break you dang fingers if you donít grab it firm!

Thatís approaching 375 H&H level. I always wanted one of the limited run Lipseyís Ruger #1ís in 45-70 with the 26Ē barrel just for high velocity testing, but was too cheap to spring for one when I had the chance.


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Old 02-02-2021, 08:31 PM   #33
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I have a Marlin SBL in 45-70 and love it. One thing I always wondered though is why more people don't use them in Africa.
I think that cartridge with the right load would be excellent on Cape Buffalo etc..

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Old 02-02-2021, 08:41 PM   #34
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Old 02-04-2021, 10:43 AM   #35
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Trapdoor level loads are nothing. Lever gun level loads are serious business. Ruger and Siamese Mauser level loads are brutal.
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Old 02-04-2021, 11:07 AM   #36
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300-405 grain 45-70 loads are obnoxious and the 18” barreled or shorter rifles are loud and obnoxious. That is all.

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Old 02-07-2021, 11:35 AM   #37
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Friend brought a lever rifle out years ago at the range and don't know what kind of load was shot but one little fella dropped it after He shot it. Almost turned Him around. I shot it after and really didn't kick worse than my 12 gauges.
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Old 02-11-2021, 11:43 AM   #38
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Did an accuracy load workup for a customer with the Marlin. Ended up with 300-gr hollow-cavity Barnes bullets and it shot very well. But--after the first bench session I had to go to the dentist--my lower bridge was broken! Told the customer I wouldn't shoot it again unless he let me put on a recoil pad, and he agreed. That made it tolerable, but still a stiff kicker. The load? Well, the rifle got the name "Ham Slammer" and it was a hog killer for sure.
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Old 02-11-2021, 12:51 PM   #39
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Just shoot a 3" magnum .410 slug from a single barrel 410 shotgun and you will know
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Old 02-12-2021, 05:09 PM   #40
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My Marlin, 22” barrel shoots great. Not much recoil, reloads May be a different story though.
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