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Old 01-25-2019, 02:23 PM   #1
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Did trump just fold to democrats?
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Old 01-25-2019, 02:28 PM   #2
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Probably depends on where you found your information. Democrats will say he folded, but we know better than that.

I hear a deal has been reached.
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Old 01-25-2019, 02:31 PM   #3
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All I’m hearing is politicians will work together ..... ya right.
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And the deal is?
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Old 01-25-2019, 02:54 PM   #5
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And the deal is?

No Wall.. Continue resolution for 3 weeks and try again...
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So back where he started from.
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Except that the Govt is up and running.
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He folded.
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Old 01-25-2019, 03:22 PM   #9
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And the deal is?
Democrats cross their hearts pinky promise to work with the president ...

I believe Ďem ..
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Unreal!

I'm listening now. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...om-rose-garden
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Like a cheap suit. Ugh.
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I don’t think he folded honestly. I can see how some can say or feel he did though. He is giving congress a chance to do the job they were supposedly elected to do. This isn’t the end of the border wall fight, IMO he put this on the lap of the dems because they cried open the gov’t back up so we can work a deal, well here it is, they have to feb 15th.
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Yes and it began with small folds weeks ago..
Concrete to steel fence..
2,000 miles down to 580 and now down to 230..
And there are many more small folds along the way..
At this rate the corrupt political machine of the deep state will win.. Trump won't..
I HOPE I'm dead wrong on this but it ain't looking good...
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I donít think he folded honestly. I can see how some can say or feel he did though. He is giving congress a chance to do the job they were supposedly elected to do. This isnít the end of the border wall fight, IMO he put this on the lap of the dems because they cried open the govít back up so we can work a deal, well here it is, they have to feb 15th.
This. I donít think he folded at all. I think heís getting federal workers paid and projecting non partisanship. When this fails he will lay it at the feet of the Dems, declare emergency, and build the wall this country needs.
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I donít think he folded honestly. I can see how some can say or feel he did though. He is giving congress a chance to do the job they were supposedly elected to do. This isnít the end of the border wall fight, IMO he put this on the lap of the dems because they cried open the govít back up so we can work a deal, well here it is, they have to feb 15th.
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This. I donít think he folded at all. I think heís getting federal workers paid and projecting non partisanship. When this fails he will lay it at the feet of the Dems, declare emergency, and build the wall this country needs.
Are y'all insane?
If that's what he was going to do he didn't need to shut the govt down in the first place

He didn't get a wall from this shutdown
And he WON'T get one either.
In any form
It's not happening
He won't call a govt emergency to do it either
He's all hot air and he's blowing up y'alls tail pipes and y'all like it

The Art of The Deal alright

They gave him 5.7B and told him to not spend it on a wall.
He won't win this fight
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Old 01-25-2019, 04:10 PM   #18
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Are y'all insane?
If that's what he was going to do he didn't need to shut the govt down in the first place

He didn't get a wall from this shutdown
And he WON'T get one either.
In any form
It's not happening
He won't call a govt emergency to do it either
He's all hot air and he's blowing up y'alls tail pipes and y'all like it

The Art of The Deal alright

They gave him 5.7B and told him to not spend it on a wall.
He won't win this fight

I guarantee you he will use an emergency if they donít figure it out. No doubt.
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Old 01-25-2019, 04:24 PM   #19
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Old 01-25-2019, 04:30 PM   #20
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They are just playing good cop bad cop. In the end both want to spend our money how they see fit. And they dont give a crap about any of us..
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Old 01-25-2019, 04:36 PM   #21
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I guarantee you he will use an emergency if they donít figure it out. No doubt.
Friendly wager.
If he doesn't get approval for his wall by Feb 28, 2019 you have to put up a Obama avatar of my choosing March 1, 2019 - March 31, 2019.
If he DOES get funding for (at least a portion) of his wall I'll put up whatever avatar you want me to for same timeperiod.

Deal?

He's not getting that wall funded!
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They are just playing good cop bad cop. In the end both want to spend our money how they see fit. And they dont give a crap about any of us..
They are throwing around billions like I'd throw around nickels in one arm bandits
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Old 01-25-2019, 05:16 PM   #23
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Old 01-25-2019, 05:19 PM   #24
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They are just playing good cop bad cop. In the end both want to spend our money how they see fit. And they dont give a crap about any of us..
I wouldn't include Trump in with the career politicians in DC...
The career politicians, on either side, Absolutley do not care about any of us....
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Old 01-25-2019, 05:58 PM   #25
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I think and hope Trump played them on this. I think he has set this up to use emergency powers to secure the border and build the wall. If the Dems don't come to the table now after agreeing to then he can do what he needs to do and not be blamed by anyone but the obstructionists and FNM Fake News Media.
I think now he can safely tell Pelosi and Schumer to go pound sand.
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We’ll see...
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I think and hope Trump played them on this. I think he has set this up to use emergency powers to secure the border and build the wall. If the Dems don't come to the table now after agreeing to then he can do what he needs to do and not be blamed by anyone but the obstructionists and FNM Fake News Media.
I think now he can safely tell Pelosi and Schumer to go pound sand.
He can honestly say he did everything he could to work with Congress but had no other option.

Just another Dem ****show that Pelosi owns.
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Old 01-25-2019, 07:06 PM   #28
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It's going to be an interesting 3 weeks...the dems are in a precarious position now. My guess is we will be going to the SCOTUS when he pulls the emergency funds vs shutting it down again mid Feb.

Ending the shutdown was the right move imo...I have to look into the eyes of the guys & gals working the border every day. Most all BP supports barriers in rio sector & support the potus but they gotta pay bills. Call it a fold, but it was time to change tactics. Dems are not gonna give a bill with barriers so I suspect trump will gamble with the courts vs a 2nd down.
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I donít think he folded honestly. I can see how some can say or feel he did though. He is giving congress a chance to do the job they were supposedly elected to do. This isnít the end of the border wall fight, IMO he put this on the lap of the dems because they cried open the govít back up so we can work a deal, well here it is, they have to feb 15th.
This. He is playing them for the fools they are. Now either way he wins. Checkmate
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This ain't over by a long shot! TRUMP!
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Old 01-25-2019, 07:41 PM   #31
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I wouldn't include Trump in with the career politicians in DC...
The career politicians, on either side, Absolutley do not care about any of us....
Agree. Vote however you want, neither side gives a rat's azz about us.
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This ain't over by a long shot! TRUMP!
Hell no it isn't. Almost laughable to see a few supporters in this forum thinking he's caving.lol! Most of the doubters have been wrong about him ever since he announced he was running for President. I'm loving every bit of it.

Go Trump! Feels **** good to feel like an American again.



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I still say he's in control, if he doesn't get the wall then he can see i tried working with the dems but they will not work with me. Good reason to declare national emergency and have the military build the wall. I see this as a win because he's calling the dems bluff.
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This ain't over by a long shot! TRUMP!
I sure hope you are correct.. I'm as big of a Trump supporters as there is and I've always thought he is exactly what this country needs. It's not his capabilities that worries me...
The corruptness and evil in runs waaaaaay deep in DC and it just may be more than he can defeat.. He's only one man and he doesn't have much help. There is no loyalt in that snake pit..
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This. I donít think he folded at all. I think heís getting federal workers paid and projecting non partisanship. When this fails he will lay it at the feet of the Dems, declare emergency, and build the wall this country needs.

This.
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It's going to be an interesting 3 weeks...the dems are in a precarious position now. My guess is we will be going to the SCOTUS when he pulls the emergency funds vs shutting it down again mid Feb.

Ending the shutdown was the right move imo...I have to look into the eyes of the guys & gals working the border every day. Most all BP supports barriers in rio sector & support the potus but they gotta pay bills. Call it a fold, but it was time to change tactics. Dems are not gonna give a bill with barriers so I suspect trump will gamble with the courts vs a 2nd down.
Spot on in my opinion
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Any one wishing for a declaration of national security needs to check themselves. This is the last thing we need is for the Executive Branch a half step away from dictatorial measures and the tyranny that accompanied that.
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If he goes the emergency route the demtards will get a leftist federal judge to stop it with an injunction. Then it's bogged down for eternity
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Any one wishing for a declaration of national security needs to check themselves. This is the last thing we need is for the Executive Branch a half step away from dictatorial measures and the tyranny that accompanied that.


Agree, thatís a slippery slope that could wreak havoc down the road. The dems cried to open gov and they would talk so letís see if they have any mortality left in their blood


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This fight isn't over... I am glad employees are going to get paid if the government is going to mandate they work during the so called shut down. First order of business should be legislation that stipulates no member of the House or Senate gets paid during any government shutdown. Additionally, that they must be in DC working or they will automatically forfeit their seat and a special election be held to replace them.

I agree with the folks on here that are calling to rethink before we ring the alarm bell on declaring a national emergency... Would we be happy if the next democratic president declares a national emergency on mass shootings and attempts to confiscate and or limit weapons??
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Any one wishing for a declaration of national security needs to check themselves. This is the last thing we need is for the Executive Branch a half step away from dictatorial measures and the tyranny that accompanied that.
The congress granted the President this authority under the National Emergencies Act of 1976. This is a true crisis. For someone to sue the court to try and stop Trump from using it they would need to have standing. Dems would have no standing but perhaps a landowner on the border where the wall took his land would have standing. When it does make it to the courts POTUS can fast track this to SCOTUS where he has a clear advantage. The law is vague and loose on redirecting funds and Trump will come out on top.

By the way both Obama and Bush used the National Emergencies Act in their Presidencies.

Trust Trump and trust the plan. A three week delay is nothing...but it shows any remaining people that the Dems truly want open borders. This has been thought out long ago and in three weeks he will have won the war. Trump doesn't lose.
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No convict Clinton

Obamacare tax still in place

No prospect of border security



No more votes...the deck is stacked against him and I think now he knows it, the POTUS is not leading anymore, the courts have made it impossible.

Sad day for the USA
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Friendly wager.
If he doesn't get approval for his wall by Feb 28, 2019 you have to put up a Obama avatar of my choosing March 1, 2019 - March 31, 2019.
If he DOES get funding for (at least a portion) of his wall I'll put up whatever avatar you want me to for same timeperiod.

Deal?

He's not getting that wall funded!
Now hang on. Your original argument is that he wonít declare a nation emergency. Whether it can be struck by some lowly judge along the west coast is another story.
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Obamacare tax still in place

No prospect of border security



No more votes...the deck is stacked against him and I think now he knows it, the POTUS is not leading anymore, the courts have made it impossible.

Sad day for the USA
This is exactly how I see it at this point in the game..

The 2 Supreme Court additions were a huge win though!!!!!!
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Anyone who has dealt with the illegal immigrants who have Murderd, raped, stole from or caused any harm to citizens of the USA know we need a wall. The immigrants who want to work will gladly still go the proper way and get documented. Will there still be undocumented individuals who rape and murder citizens? Yes there will be however it will lower rate I truly believe. The main problems I’m talking are coming from a lot further south than Mexico. MS13 is on the rise in the states and the Columbia nationals are one of the biggest house burglars I’ve seen.

I have several friends who work for the ICE, homeland security, FBI who All say we need the security at the border.

FUND THE WALL
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This is exactly how I see it at this point in the game..

The 2 Supreme Court additions were a huge win though!!!!!!
When Ruthie gives up her throne, we get one more.
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Friendly wager.
If he doesn't get approval for his wall by Feb 28, 2019 you have to put up a Obama avatar of my choosing March 1, 2019 - March 31, 2019.
If he DOES get funding for (at least a portion) of his wall I'll put up whatever avatar you want me to for same timeperiod.

Deal?

He's not getting that wall funded!
I got no dog in this but an AOC avatar would be more fitting
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This fight isn't over... I am glad employees are going to get paid if the government is going to mandate they work during the so called shut down. First order of business should be legislation that stipulates no member of the House or Senate gets paid during any government shutdown. Additionally, that they must be in DC working or they will automatically forfeit their seat and a special election be held to replace them.
Take a look at their bank balance. I think they can survive a government shutdown.

As for the forfeiture, well, we can dream canít we.

Bottom line, both parties are out of touch with the American worker.
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The congress granted the President this authority under the National Emergencies Act of 1976. This is a true crisis. For someone to sue the court to try and stop Trump from using it they would need to have standing. Dems would have no standing but perhaps a landowner on the border where the wall took his land would have standing. When it does make it to the courts POTUS can fast track this to SCOTUS where he has a clear advantage. The law is vague and loose on redirecting funds and Trump will come out on top.

By the way both Obama and Bush used the National Emergencies Act in their Presidencies.

Trust Trump and trust the plan. A three week delay is nothing...but it shows any remaining people that the Dems truly want open borders. This has been thought out long ago and in three weeks he will have won the war. Trump doesn't lose.
A) itís not Trump Iím worried about, itís the next guy.
B) this is dangerous precedent. If congress wonít give you what you want, just call a national emergency and do it anyway. Thatís not the intent and it undermines the system of checks and balances and it will eventually be abused
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Any one wishing for a declaration of national security needs to check themselves. This is the last thing we need is for the Executive Branch a half step away from dictatorial measures and the tyranny that accompanied that.
Nailed it! Should he go that route, I believe the legal challenges will derail it quickly....
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