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Old 02-11-2019, 07:33 PM   #101
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Doesn't sound right? We pay about 750 a ton for LnE medicated. It sounds like a bunch, but we only feed a little over 1 ton of medicated a year. We have 11 feed stations, and put 2/3 sacks in each feeder in the spring and fall.
In all honesty I have no clue how many deer we're actually medicating but remember it only takes 2 or 3 mouthfulls to medicate a deer.
In all the deer we have harvested in the last 2 years we've only had one that had parasites present. Pretty good results in my opinion.


Sounds like itíll be worth a trip down there to pick up a trailer load. Or my guys fat fingered the keyboard. But Iím not spending 1k for wormer


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Old 02-11-2019, 07:51 PM   #102
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We fed it this year and obviously hadn't seen any results but feel it can't be a negative.
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Great info we are getting ready to start a protein regiment on our lease, all this information has been really helpful!!!
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:46 AM   #104
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My feed store quoted me $1042/ton and it only treats 18 head? That sound right to yíall?


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Charles Eckel with L&E out of Llano came to my place yesterday to take some fecal samples. I ask him about the rate of application and he told me they recommend 2 lbs per day per head for 7 days. Using that as a guide, a ton should feed 140+ head.
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Charles Eckel with L&E out of Llano came to my place yesterday to take some fecal samples. I ask him about the rate of application and he told me they recommend 2 lbs per day per head for 7 days. Using that as a guide, a ton should feed 140+ head.


So basically theyíre recommending that you only feed enough for them to clean up in a week?


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So basically theyíre recommending that you only feed enough for them to clean up in a week?


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That is what I get from that....
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Well the results came back and out of 17 samples taken, 7 showed positive. Surprisingly they did not recommend feeding medicated feed at this time. They suggested taking samples again in May.
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Well the results came back and out of 17 samples taken, 7 showed positive. Surprisingly they did not recommend feeding medicated feed at this time. They suggested taking samples again in May.

Interesting, 41 percent positive result and they suggest not feeding it. Wonder what the result would have to be before they suggested it?
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Interesting, 41 percent positive result and they suggest not feeding it. Wonder what the result would have to be before they suggested it?
I think they recommend feeding if it is a majority.
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I think they recommend feeding if it is a majority.
Oh gotcha. Good info to have, we'll feed it even if it came back 2 percent positive
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We picked up some to feed one round of it this time. $20 a bag in San Angelo at Palmers.




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We picked up some to feed one round of it this time. $20 a bag in San Angelo at Palmers.




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Good deal, let me know your results. That's about what we pay per bag also
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Moving to timed protein this year. Wonder how well this would distribute using that versus free choice. I like teh concept and maybe it would keep us from losing some deer for a few extra bucks.



I guess its still not available in the Angelo area?...
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Moving to timed protein this year. Wonder how well this would distribute using that versus free choice. I like teh concept and maybe it would keep us from losing some deer for a few extra bucks.



I guess its still not available in the Angelo area?...


Palmers has it.


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Great information. I've been interested in this myself for our management program.
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:34 PM   #116
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Good deal. Any idea of the cost?

I guess there is no chance of over medicating in one fill?
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Good deal. Any idea of the cost?

I guess there is no chance of over medicating in one fill?
$20/Bag.

I assume they’re 50lb sacks, but you’ll have to ask Txwhitetail to be sure.
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Good deal. Any idea of the cost?

I guess there is no chance of over medicating in one fill?
You won't over medicate them, dang near impossible unless they live in a pen and eat only medicated feed.
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You won't over medicate them, dang near impossible unless they live in a pen and eat only medicated feed.


Thank you!
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$20/Bag.

I assume theyíre 50lb sacks, but youíll have to ask Txwhitetail to be sure.


Thatís $11.50 more a sac. Glad itís only once a year
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Thatís $11.50 more a sac. Glad itís only once a year
Twice bubba. You need to do it now and agian in the fall.

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Twice bubba. You need to do it now and agian in the fall.

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Awesome!!
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Safeguard Dewormer pellets (green and yellow 10 pound bag found at TSC) treats 50 head (generously figuring 200 pounds each body weight) of deer with each 10 pound package for around $50-$60 depending on where you get it. They only have to eat it one day to be treated and same active ingredient as in the pic above but at far greater potency. (16x greater)
I spent just over $100 and mixed in 2 bags (20 pounds) with a ton of feed and figured it will do just fine. A lot cheaper than the above $800/ton and should be just as effective.

The Fenbendazole in SafeGuard pellets is 16X more concentrated than in the feed above, so only 3 ounces of pellets needed to treat each deer...and they only have to eat that once to be treated.

I concentrated it within a few bags of feed at the bottom of the hopper so they are guaranteed to get it within approximately's a week's time.....

Maybe BS science in my head, but to me a greater success rate at a far cheaper price and the deer dont have to get used to a different feed for a whole ton.


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Safeguard Dewormer pellets (green and yellow 10 pound bag found at TSC) treats 50 head (generously figuring 200 pounds each body weight) of deer with each 10 pound package for around $50-$60 depending on where you get it. They only have to eat it one day to be treated and same active ingredient as in the pic above but at far greater potency. (16x greater)
I spent just over $100 and mixed in 2 bags (20 pounds) with a ton of feed and figured it will do just fine. A lot cheaper than the above $800/ton and should be just as effective.

The Fenbendazole in SafeGuard pellets is 16X more concentrated than in the feed above, so only 3 ounces of pellets needed to treat each deer...and they only have to eat that once to be treated.

I concentrated it within a few bags of feed at the bottom of the hopper so they are guaranteed to get it within approximately's a week's time.....

Maybe BS science in my head, but to me a greater success rate at a far cheaper price and the deer dont have to get used to a different feed for a whole ton.



Good post except the way I read it, the feed at Angelos Palmers is the same exact feed most folks feed with the medicine added so the deer changing feeds doesnít seem like an issue. The Eco ration

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Good post except the way I read it, the feed at Angelos Palmers is the same exact feed most folks feed with the medicine added so the deer changing feeds doesnít seem like an issue.
If that's the case, then cost would be the only downside.

Years ago I raised European boars for sale to game ranches. Had some feed companies try to convince me on the medicated feed by the ton. My local vet told me not to waste my money and to go with Safeguard twice a year. He said it's cheap and does the trick and impossible to overdose. I did and weight gain skyrocketed almost immediately. Made me a believer in SafeGuard for my application then. Hopefully it will benefit the deer at my feeder in similar ways. Guess we shall see.
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Iím not against it. Iím just starting in this deal so Iím interested in the cheapest way to get it done.
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Iím not against it. Iím just starting in this deal so Iím interested in the cheapest way to get it done.


Kinda my goal as well.

I wonder how much antler growth can/will be effected from one year to the next from a buck that had worms to the next year after heís been wormed.


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Safeguard Dewormer pellets (green and yellow 10 pound bag found at TSC) treats 50 head (generously figuring 200 pounds each body weight) of deer with each 10 pound package for around $50-$60 depending on where you get it. They only have to eat it one day to be treated and same active ingredient as in the pic above but at far greater potency. (16x greater)
I spent just over $100 and mixed in 2 bags (20 pounds) with a ton of feed and figured it will do just fine. A lot cheaper than the above $800/ton and should be just as effective.

The Fenbendazole in SafeGuard pellets is 16X more concentrated than in the feed above, so only 3 ounces of pellets needed to treat each deer...and they only have to eat that once to be treated.

I concentrated it within a few bags of feed at the bottom of the hopper so they are guaranteed to get it within approximately's a week's time.....

Maybe BS science in my head, but to me a greater success rate at a far cheaper price and the deer dont have to get used to a different feed for a whole ton.

How did you mix it, if you don't mind sharing?
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How did you mix it, if you don't mind sharing?


The bottom of my 2,000 lb feeder has a hopper that holds a little over 100 pounds of feed. Just mixed 10 pounds in there and another 10 pounds above it a few sacks. Not very scientific, but I have enough to treat 100 deer and I donít have near that hitting this feeder, so they should all get a good dose.



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Safeguard Dewormer pellets (green and yellow 10 pound bag found at TSC) treats 50 head (generously figuring 200 pounds each body weight) of deer with each 10 pound package for around $50-$60 depending on where you get it. They only have to eat it one day to be treated and same active ingredient as in the pic above but at far greater potency. (16x greater)
I spent just over $100 and mixed in 2 bags (20 pounds) with a ton of feed and figured it will do just fine. A lot cheaper than the above $800/ton and should be just as effective.

The Fenbendazole in SafeGuard pellets is 16X more concentrated than in the feed above, so only 3 ounces of pellets needed to treat each deer...and they only have to eat that once to be treated.

I concentrated it within a few bags of feed at the bottom of the hopper so they are guaranteed to get it within approximately's a week's time.....

Maybe BS science in my head, but to me a greater success rate at a far cheaper price and the deer dont have to get used to a different feed for a whole ton.

Very interesting, thank you for sharing bubba..

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The bottom of my 2,000 lb feeder has a hopper that holds a little over 100 pounds of feed. Just mixed 10 pounds in there and another 10 pounds above it a few sacks. Not very scientific, but I have enough to treat 100 deer and I don’t have near that hitting this feeder, so they should all get a good dose.



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Thanks! I was thinking the same thing. I have a 2k lb feeder too, I was thinking of mixing it this was as well. This works better for me too, so I don't have to change feed brands.
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There is a BIG difference in "Medicated" and "DeWormer" feed they are NOT the same.

Medicated contains CTC and is illegal unless a veterinarian gives a prescription.
Dewormer is a commonly used to feed all deer and is NOT illegal.
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There is a BIG difference in "Medicated" and "DeWormer" feed they are NOT the same.

Medicated contains CTC and is illegal unless a veterinarian gives a prescription.
Dewormer is a commonly used to feed all deer and is NOT illegal.


The feed shown above shows ďmedicatedĒ on the label and has the exact same active ingredient as the SafeGuard ďwormerĒ but the SG is way more concentrated. No other medication listed on the ďmedicatedĒ feed tag that is pictured above. Are you talking about some other feed when u say ďmedicatedĒ???


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Ours has both. No prescription required to me a dewormer is a type of medicated feed, as even our biologist calls it " medicated ".

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Moving to timed protein this year. Wonder how well this would distribute using that versus free choice. I like teh concept and maybe it would keep us from losing some deer for a few extra bucks.



I guess its still not available in the Angelo area?...
We put two bags in the bottom of each timed and bulk protein feeder before we refilled with protein/peas. Should all go out about the same time.
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Safeguard Dewormer pellets (green and yellow 10 pound bag found at TSC) treats 50 head (generously figuring 200 pounds each body weight) of deer with each 10 pound package for around $50-$60 depending on where you get it. They only have to eat it one day to be treated and same active ingredient as in the pic above but at far greater potency. (16x greater)
I spent just over $100 and mixed in 2 bags (20 pounds) with a ton of feed and figured it will do just fine. A lot cheaper than the above $800/ton and should be just as effective.

The Fenbendazole in SafeGuard pellets is 16X more concentrated than in the feed above, so only 3 ounces of pellets needed to treat each deer...and they only have to eat that once to be treated.

I concentrated it within a few bags of feed at the bottom of the hopper so they are guaranteed to get it within approximately's a week's time.....

Maybe BS science in my head, but to me a greater success rate at a far cheaper price and the deer dont have to get used to a different feed for a whole ton.

The difference to me and the way deer eat at feeders would be you could end up with a small sample of your deer eating the 10lbs basically wasting some on the small number that eat it and completely missing others. Feeding over larger weight consumption will get more deer in on it. Mixing the 10 lbs in large quantities of other feed you would get a dose that is too spread out to be effective. Normally a wormer dose in livestock you want it applied within 48 hours or so if not immediate.
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The difference to me and the way deer eat at feeders would be you could end up with a small sample of your deer eating the 10lbs basically wasting some on the small number that eat it and completely missing others. Feeding over larger weight consumption will get more deer in on it. Mixing the 10 lbs in large quantities of other feed you would get a dose that is too spread out to be effective. Normally a wormer dose in livestock you want it applied within 48 hours or so if not immediate.
Totally makes sense.... Just not worth an extra $300/ton for me to do it that way. To each his own.
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Totally makes sense.... Just not worth an extra $300/ton for me to do it that way. To each his own.


For sure who knows if much of anything we do helps as much as we think it does. Well just keep burning them $100s trying to keep up with Smart!


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There is a BIG difference in "Medicated" and "DeWormer" feed they are NOT the same.

Medicated contains CTC and is illegal unless a veterinarian gives a prescription.
Dewormer is a commonly used to feed all deer and is NOT illegal.



Sorry for the mis-usage of words. I think we all meant the same thing...
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There is a BIG difference in "Medicated" and "DeWormer" feed they are NOT the same.

Medicated contains CTC and is illegal unless a veterinarian gives a prescription.
Dewormer is a commonly used to feed all deer and is NOT illegal.
We incorporate CTC and dewormer depending on time of year. This is in Mexico though.
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Talked to Charles at L&E Sat in Llano. As soon as the deer start hitting the protein again, gonna feed medicated L&E to them.
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If that's the case, then cost would be the only downside.

Years ago I raised European boars for sale to game ranches. Had some feed companies try to convince me on the medicated feed by the ton. My local vet told me not to waste my money and to go with Safeguard twice a year. He said it's cheap and does the trick and impossible to overdose. I did and weight gain skyrocketed almost immediately. Made me a believer in SafeGuard for my application then. Hopefully it will benefit the deer at my feeder in similar ways. Guess we shall see.
I mixed 5 lbs with 50 lbs of rice bran at my two spots on the lease. I will do this again at the end of April and probably every off season trip until deer season. Iíll spend a lot less this route hopefully itís effective.
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Mixed some MG Dewormer with Antlermax during our last protein fill..

Interested to see if we notice any results.
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Old 05-15-2019, 08:38 PM   #144
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Put out some medicated L&E today, expect to see results tomorrow.
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Old 05-15-2019, 08:39 PM   #145
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Put out some medicated L&E today, expect to see results tomorrow.
Lol... good luck! It's done awesome for us!

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Old 05-15-2019, 08:46 PM   #146
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Going into Llano in the morning to get some. Deer have been hitting the protein good for the last couple of weeks. Gonna try some now.
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:28 PM   #147
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I should have a bunch of worm-free whitetail, mule deer, and coons about now out west!
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Old 05-16-2019, 06:51 PM   #148
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I always wormed my cattle with a little Basic H soap in their water tank. Cleans em' up and cleans em' out! All Natural' I think it is anyways.
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