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Old 02-08-2019, 01:58 PM   #351
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Haters will hate. The lab results speak for themselves. DD has led the field for years and still does. You might disagree with the marketing but you canít ignore the labs!
This is true! I will admit that.

Their protein and TDN% is hard to beat.

With that being said protein alone will not solely make a buck gain 30-40 inches. Ignoring the fact of predators, age, doe/buck ratio, natural browse, genetics and all other factors it takes to grow big deer.

Just be honest
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Old 02-08-2019, 06:27 PM   #352
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So everyone is judging DD by its advertising, price and what many believe is a false representation of the ranch?

How many on this forum truly have any experience with the feed itself?


I didnít mention any brand other than purina in my last post but it is interesting you would take what I said and apply it to DD...


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Old 02-08-2019, 06:39 PM   #353
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This is true! I will admit that.



Their protein and TDN% is hard to beat.



With that being said protein alone will not solely make a buck gain 30-40 inches. Ignoring the fact of predators, age, doe/buck ratio, natural browse, genetics and all other factors it takes to grow big deer.



Just be honest


Could you answer my question about the false advertising and the truth about their ranch? I would like to know what is true and what isnít. Thanks.


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Old 02-08-2019, 08:49 PM   #354
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Strictly from a LABS, TDN, and "PROTEIN PELLET" perspective, as that is what this thread is about, DD has been at the top of the list (see #276).

Exactly. The same few members say the same thing, every thread, every time.

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Could you answer my question about the false advertising and the truth about their ranch? I would like to know what is true and what isnít. Thanks.


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Nope. He wonít answer with any facts, only what heís heard. Heís never been to the Chittum, never will.

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Can you explain the untruthfulness regarding the advertising and ranch? Iím curious, and Iím not gonna go back through any past threads to find out. Would just like an honest answer, as Iím always open to learn and listen to people with proven deer results.

I follow several proven ranches on social media and have witnessed first hand increase body weight and antler size on their herds and they all believe that DD has had the biggest impact. I have witnessed the feed be consumed at a much higher rate than other feeds right next to it, and I have witnessed how powerful it can be, simply as an attractant because deer seem to love the smell and taste.


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Purina has led the field from a research standpoint if you want to go there.

Plain ol corn has a higher TDN than anything listed on this page. Looks like corn is the TDN leader as a deer feed.

Heck peas at $0.10 a lb will test around 80% TDN +/-.

Yawn, youíre redirecting like a Democrat about border security.


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The focus has been on tdn not the total package feed as it relates to ingredients and cost.

Most of the feed companies listed have a premium feed that has higher cost ingredients.

Most people buy feed based on price (usually lowest priced) and some buy the highest priced thinking they are getting the best by spending more. Fact is very little has proven that one feed really outperforms another and that really canít be proven scientifically anyway.

Feed what you like but donít take the bait that one feed is a miracle worker. Normally the benefits of going with the best dealer in your area that have feed in stock at reasonable prices will far outweigh the gains by paying extra for a premium feed. I would be feeding Purina if the dealer in my area wasnít way over priced on feed and corn.

What the average consumer (hunter) doesnít understand in many cases is that the deer advertised to sell deer feed are the extreme cases and on many ranches are more of feedlot type situation. When researching feed ask them questions about the claims made. High fence, low fence, partial high fence, quantity fed, etc etc. You will be shocked at the quantity fed most of the time and that quantity is unrealistic more most hunters/managers. Itís called marketing and it definitely works.

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What if youíre not the ďaverageĒ who does everything possible in the name of management and looks for an ďedgeĒ? You call it ďunrealisticĒ. From your posts, itís obvious that you are always looking for a bargain.

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This is true! I will admit that.



Their protein and TDN% is hard to beat.



With that being said protein alone will not solely make a buck gain 30-40 inches. Ignoring the fact of predators, age, doe/buck ratio, natural browse, genetics and all other factors it takes to grow big deer.



Just be honest
Be honest? Iíve never claimed that DD was the only reason I broke 32 years of ranch records this year and last. DD has the highest percentage of digestible nutrients, higher consumption, and a very consistent recipe. If you hang your hat on not liking the marketing, how do you ignore my independent customer experience?



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I didnít mention any brand other than purina in my last post but it is interesting you would take what I said and apply it to DD...


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You have attacked DD repeatedly. Your spin is obvious and weak. Like arguing with a liberal.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:33 PM   #355
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Exactly. The same few members say the same thing, every thread, every time.




Nope. He wonít answer with any facts, only what heís heard. Heís never been to the Chittum, never will.









Yawn, youíre redirecting like a Democrat about border security.





What if youíre not the ďaverageĒ who does everything possible in the name of management and looks for an ďedgeĒ? You call it ďunrealisticĒ. From your posts, itís obvious that you are always looking for a bargain.



Be honest? Iíve never claimed that DD was the only reason I broke 32 years of ranch records this year and last. DD has the highest percentage of digestible nutrients, higher consumption, and a very consistent recipe. If you hang your hat on not liking the marketing, how do you ignore my independent customer experience?






You have attacked DD repeatedly. Your spin is obvious and weak. Like arguing with a liberal.


Peyton about all you are good at is name calling and carry the water for DD. Itís a full time job for you justifying to others for buying it. Like Iíve said in the past if youíre happy with it keep buying it but donít try to BS others with results that canít be traced back to a certain feed factor.



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Old 02-08-2019, 09:47 PM   #356
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Peyton about all you are good at is name calling and carry the water for DD. Itís a full time job for you justifying to others for buying it. Like Iíve said in the past if youíre happy with it keep buying it but donít try to BS others with results that canít be traced back to a certain feed factor.



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Keep buying cheap for your underfed and undermanaged deer. If youíre satisfied with 150ís, keep on keeping on! Your post history says all. If you half ***, expect half ***!
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:54 PM   #357
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Never fed DD, Never managed, Never committed, owns NADA. Lease Boss knows ALL!
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:55 PM   #358
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Oh lord y'all done got them DD boys fired up! Doesn't take much though just let them think you spoke bad about their idol Bret and his miracle feed and here they come
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Old 02-09-2019, 09:06 AM   #360
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Oh lord y'all done got them DD boys fired up! Doesn't take much though just let them think you spoke bad about their idol Bret and his miracle feed and here they come


Nothing to add to the discussion?
That figures, you never do!
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Old 02-09-2019, 09:56 AM   #361
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Keep buying cheap for your underfed and undermanaged deer. If youíre satisfied with 150ís, keep on keeping on! Your post history says all. If you half ***, expect half ***!

Sure get the sore *** pretty easy.


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Old 02-09-2019, 10:09 AM   #362
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It sounds to me that the only people on here dogging dd are the people who don’t use it.

We have tried them all and I am sure that they are great feeds. I don’t knock Purina l and e or any feeds on the market. However, in our case the deerdidnt eat the other feeds and we ended up dumping it. Waste of money. With dd our deer are actually consuming the feed regardless of range conditions. Therefore the benefits are going to show. We are going into
our 3rd year of feeding it. Our deer have improved. They probably would have on other feeds as well if they would have eaten it.

Yes many factors go into growing big deer. We have been fortunate since 2012 with good rains and fawn crops. Oil field pipelines have created new habitat as well. This year was pretty incredible and I M seeing some very good bucks now that were not seen during hunting season.

I don’t worship Brett. I don’t fall for the advertising or the promise of 30 to 40 inches although I have seen it happen.

If your feed is working for you keep on it but instead of bashing guys using it you might try to use this forum , as I am trying to , to learn about new ways to grow better deer.
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Old 02-09-2019, 10:56 AM   #363
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So i have never met Brett either but my cousin who is a fishing guide in Matagorda grew up with him. I have heard first hand stories about Brett for a long time now, before all of this DD stuff got started. So Brett is also really big into fishing look up Boobytrap he spends north of 500K fishing every year. When everyone said you could not catch a swordfish in the day he learned how to do it. Spent tons of money and time with an old salt in Florida learning how to do it, like 4 months straight in FL until he had it down. If he is interested in something he is going to go balls out money no object until he gets it right. So this feed thing is no exception except that he spends less money on hunting than he does fishing. He started working with the DFG manager who I do know and he is one of the most top notch guys you will ever run across. They fed lots of cottonseed at first and then started to transition into the pellets. Things got better and Brett started doing what he does, he started trying to get the best feed available no budget. They worked with the DFG manager to put something together and after a ton of trail and error DD was made. The feed blew up and the rest is history. Another thing that I know is that they spend north of 200k a year feeding DD at that ranch, that is probably more money in feed than 90% of the people on this board make in a year. So when someone that is a so called big timer protein feeder 5K a year kind of feed bill scoffs at the feed after looking at everything I take it with a grain of salt. Just know that some guy went money no object approach to the feed to find the best, and he spent more in the in the first week of January then you will all year. I tend to trust what the guy that spends 200k when he is not looking at money over quality, than some guy that doesn’t really have a stake in the game that is just loyal to whatever brand because he was told its good. I’m not saying that any other feed is bad, I’m sure that they are all good and if you like your feed man that is great keep feeding those deer. Here is another way to look at it, you have a stock broker that manages millions and is really successful and you have done well with him. Are you going to listen to his advise closer than you are one of your buddies that is a day trader and has 2k in his account? Saying no that’s a terrible idea, this is what I really like to do, listen to me. The answer is pretty obvious, I’m going to take the advise of the stock broker that is successful and has more at stake in the game. Like daytime swordfishing Brett spent the time and money to figure it out, same thing with the feed. I’m just going to take the cheap way out, after Brett spent all the money to figure this out and just buy feed. I can spend a few extra per bag knowing that I’m giving them the best feed in my opinion. I’m totally ok with that, if you wanna bash, where is that coming from? You sound to me more like the day trader guy that’s down on his luck trying to tell everyone else what to do. I’m going to take my advise from a pro
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:31 PM   #364
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So i have never met Brett either but my cousin who is a fishing guide in Matagorda grew up with him. I have heard first hand stories about Brett for a long time now, before all of this DD stuff got started. So Brett is also really big into fishing look up Boobytrap he spends north of 500K fishing every year. When everyone said you could not catch a swordfish in the day he learned how to do it. Spent tons of money and time with an old salt in Florida learning how to do it, like 4 months straight in FL until he had it down. If he is interested in something he is going to go balls out money no object until he gets it right. So this feed thing is no exception except that he spends less money on hunting than he does fishing. He started working with the DFG manager who I do know and he is one of the most top notch guys you will ever run across. They fed lots of cottonseed at first and then started to transition into the pellets. Things got better and Brett started doing what he does, he started trying to get the best feed available no budget. They worked with the DFG manager to put something together and after a ton of trail and error DD was made. The feed blew up and the rest is history. Another thing that I know is that they spend north of 200k a year feeding DD at that ranch, that is probably more money in feed than 90% of the people on this board make in a year. So when someone that is a so called big timer protein feeder 5K a year kind of feed bill scoffs at the feed after looking at everything I take it with a grain of salt. Just know that some guy went money no object approach to the feed to find the best, and he spent more in the in the first week of January then you will all year. I tend to trust what the guy that spends 200k when he is not looking at money over quality, than some guy that doesnít really have a stake in the game that is just loyal to whatever brand because he was told its good. Iím not saying that any other feed is bad, Iím sure that they are all good and if you like your feed man that is great keep feeding those deer. Here is another way to look at it, you have a stock broker that manages millions and is really successful and you have done well with him. Are you going to listen to his advise closer than you are one of your buddies that is a day trader and has 2k in his account? Saying no thatís a terrible idea, this is what I really like to do, listen to me. The answer is pretty obvious, Iím going to take the advise of the stock broker that is successful and has more at stake in the game. Like daytime swordfishing Brett spent the time and money to figure it out, same thing with the feed. Iím just going to take the cheap way out, after Brett spent all the money to figure this out and just buy feed. I can spend a few extra per bag knowing that Iím giving them the best feed in my opinion. Iím totally ok with that, if you wanna bash, where is that coming from? You sound to me more like the day trader guy thatís down on his luck trying to tell everyone else what to do. Iím going to take my advise from a pro
And this is directed at who?
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:21 PM   #365
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Bee County Co-Op sent me these two latest test results from 2018. They said they run test on a regular basis to insure quality and TDN.






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Can you get info on Palmers from San Angelo?
Eco deer 20?
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:25 PM   #366
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Can you get info on Palmers from San Angelo?
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Also Angelo Pellets 17% deer protein, if you donít mind. Think itís called 17% dream maker or something.
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So i have never met Brett either but my cousin who is a fishing guide in Matagorda grew up with him. I have heard first hand stories about Brett for a long time now, before all of this DD stuff got started. So Brett is also really big into fishing look up Boobytrap he spends north of 500K fishing every year. When everyone said you could not catch a swordfish in the day he learned how to do it. Spent tons of money and time with an old salt in Florida learning how to do it, like 4 months straight in FL until he had it down. If he is interested in something he is going to go balls out money no object until he gets it right. So this feed thing is no exception except that he spends less money on hunting than he does fishing. He started working with the DFG manager who I do know and he is one of the most top notch guys you will ever run across. They fed lots of cottonseed at first and then started to transition into the pellets. Things got better and Brett started doing what he does, he started trying to get the best feed available no budget. They worked with the DFG manager to put something together and after a ton of trail and error DD was made. The feed blew up and the rest is history. Another thing that I know is that they spend north of 200k a year feeding DD at that ranch, that is probably more money in feed than 90% of the people on this board make in a year. So when someone that is a so called big timer protein feeder 5K a year kind of feed bill scoffs at the feed after looking at everything I take it with a grain of salt. Just know that some guy went money no object approach to the feed to find the best, and he spent more in the in the first week of January then you will all year. I tend to trust what the guy that spends 200k when he is not looking at money over quality, than some guy that doesnít really have a stake in the game that is just loyal to whatever brand because he was told its good. Iím not saying that any other feed is bad, Iím sure that they are all good and if you like your feed man that is great keep feeding those deer. Here is another way to look at it, you have a stock broker that manages millions and is really successful and you have done well with him. Are you going to listen to his advise closer than you are one of your buddies that is a day trader and has 2k in his account? Saying no thatís a terrible idea, this is what I really like to do, listen to me. The answer is pretty obvious, Iím going to take the advise of the stock broker that is successful and has more at stake in the game. Like daytime swordfishing Brett spent the time and money to figure it out, same thing with the feed. Iím just going to take the cheap way out, after Brett spent all the money to figure this out and just buy feed. I can spend a few extra per bag knowing that Iím giving them the best feed in my opinion. Iím totally ok with that, if you wanna bash, where is that coming from? You sound to me more like the day trader guy thatís down on his luck trying to tell everyone else what to do. Iím going to take my advise from a pro
Did anyone question him as a person or say how bad his feed is? No one to my knowledge has.

Most people question his advertising methods, truthfulness, and approach to how he has handled it all.

To each their own, but spending alot of money does not make someone a pro or expert in any certain area.

With that being said the guy has formed a strong following, AND made a top notch feed no doubt.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:31 AM   #368
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Oh lord y'all done got them DD boys fired up! Doesn't take much though just let them think you spoke bad about their idol Bret and his miracle feed and here they come
Exactly!

Some people above have the money to feed it, more power to them.
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:10 PM   #369
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Did anyone question him as a person or say how bad his feed is? No one to my knowledge has.

Most people question his advertising methods, truthfulness, and approach to how he has handled it all.

To each their own, but spending alot of money does not make someone a pro or expert in any certain area.

With that being said the guy has formed a strong following, AND made a top notch feed no doubt.
So, I'll ask for the 3rd time, since you have now said, at least 3 times that something is untrue, and have yet to answer my questions. What is untrue, what advertising methods are a problem and untrue?
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:49 AM   #370
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No response should tell you something. Especially from DD as some of their prices dropped slightly to 12-13 a bag
On a side note, where have you seen DD for $12-$13 a bag? I live in San Antonio and its $15.50/50lb bag at Strutty's in Boerne and the same at D&D in Seguin.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:10 AM   #371
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I usually pay 12.75 a bag where I get DD. I picked up 3 tons from DF&G Wildlife Supply in Dilley for 11.70 a bag last week on my way to Cotulla. You can find their dealers on the DD website.


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