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Old 03-15-2019, 02:45 PM   #51
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been in many shootings have you?
Have you?
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:46 PM   #52
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Okay. So then instead of calling him pathetic and using profanity right out of the gate, how about you try correcting him or telling him what may be a good or bad idea? I'm sure he would be appreciative for the opportunity to learn, as we all would.
ya gonna have to speak up...don't think Jack Ryan can hear ya from up on his high horse...
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:47 PM   #53
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then how the **** is he qualified to suggest what should be done in that circumstance? Pretty **** disrespectful to pretty much every mass shooting thus far to suggest he knows how to prevent it don't ya think???

Love hearing people talk about what to do when the rounds are going down when they haven't been involved with it themselves. Pathetic.
You never answered the question? What is the correct thing to do?
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:48 PM   #54
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It's sad how the video looks exactly like lots of video games kids play now days.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:55 PM   #55
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It's sad how the video looks exactly like lots of video games kids play now days.
I thought the exact same thing!
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:56 PM   #56
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been in many shootings have you?
yeah man, all the time. Can you not be a ***** even on a thread like this, or is that your all the time general nature?

My post was in no way meant to tell others what to do, and it is very hard for me to see how you came up with that even after re-reading the post. You may be Jason Bourne in the Sandbox but your reading comprehension skills are horrible. For a person that admittedly has disdain for the general population why are you choosing to interact on a public forum? You are just another new screen name that will not last long around here. You are a troll on this forum and we just do not need it.

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Old 03-15-2019, 02:56 PM   #57
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Man sad stuff. I’ll be flying into Christchurch in May.


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At least one person in this discussion needs a prozac.


On another note i can affirm this video will be shown in training in at least one LE dept

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Old 03-15-2019, 03:00 PM   #59
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Hate and evil are bad combinations. Prayers to all of the victims and their families!
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:05 PM   #60
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Sad when a grown man attacks another man online for their opinion when they clearly don't know anything about the other person and make a bunch of assumptions and get all worked up over it. "Pathetic!"
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:09 PM   #61
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You never answered the question? What is the correct thing to do?
my point wasn't to create a training thread- it was to point out that it is wrong to sit there and preach what should have been done, hours after people are dead (compounded by the fact the person making the comments has zero experience or backround in the profession!). But I guess that must be wrong of me to point that out lol.

You think I'd provide training and strategic methods:

1. On a forum
2. To people are opposing my view on an individual making claims on something he knows nothing about
3. for free

And to the other poster above asking if I had been in many firefights- yea, I have! It is no different than asking a firefighter if he has dealt with many fires or medical calls, or a cop if he has had to response to a violent domestic over a life-long career. Yet I don't see any comments telling them how to deal with those situations, and they happen daily, are infinitely much more likely to happen to you than a mass shooter situation.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:20 PM   #62
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my point wasn't to create a training thread- it was to point out that it is wrong to sit there and preach what should have been done, hours after people are dead (compounded by the fact the person making the comments has zero exp blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah....

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In other words...."It's all classified"....
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:22 PM   #63
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my point wasn't to create a training thread- it was to point out that it is wrong to sit there and preach what should have been done, hours after people are dead (compounded by the fact the person making the comments has zero experience or backround in the profession!). But I guess that must be wrong of me to point that out lol.

You think I'd provide training and strategic methods:

1. On a forum
2. To people are opposing my view on an individual making claims on something he knows nothing about
3. for free

And to the other poster above asking if I had been in many firefights- yea, I have! It is no different than asking a firefighter if he has dealt with many fires or medical calls, or a cop if he has had to response to a violent domestic over a life-long career. Yet I don't see any comments telling them how to deal with those situations, and they happen daily, are infinitely much more likely to happen to you than a mass shooter situation.
Point out whatever you like, however when doing so make sure you are correct. In no way did I 'preach' what should be done, if that is what you read you have problems.

It is very sad that you always try to bring post topics back to focus on you and your perceived superiority to others. I am not sure if narcissist or egotist works best for you, I guess time will tell.
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In other words...."It's all classified"....
Yep. Keyboard hero.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:28 PM   #65
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Point out whatever you like, however when doing so make sure you are correct. In no way did I 'preach' what should be done, if that is what you read you have problems.

It is very sad that you always try to bring post topics back to focus on you and your perceived superiority to others. I am not sure if narcissist or egotist works best for you, I guess time will tell.
Dude he ain’t worth the time. A member since February and already trolling.

FWIW, I’ve never been in a shooting, but I’ve been on scene after plenty of them, been to a few active shooter trainings, been doing this job long enough to know how I react under pressure and I don’t claim to be a monster drinking, 75 push-ups in a minute SWAT ninja turtle that knows it all, but I agreed with your original statement that billythetroll apparently had issues with.

This video will be used by the police for training on active shooters for a long time. It shows how people will react in these situations. It is good training for the civilian to watch also, to better prepare himself or herself for these situations. It hacks you off and makes you think about what you would TRY and do in these situations.

You had valid points.

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Old 03-15-2019, 03:32 PM   #66
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In other words...."It's all classified"....
No- in other words...what I actually said.

Going to try sticking me with the 'stolen' valor' keyboard warrior crap now are ya.

My mistake for treating an internet forum like reality- where it is ****ing ridiculous for a person with no training to let everyone know 'how it should go down' during an incident lol...and I'M the keyboard warrior here? See ya.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:36 PM   #67
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No- in other words...what I actually said.

Going to try sticking me with the 'stolen' valor' keyboard warrior crap now are ya.

My mistake for treating an internet forum like reality- where it is ****ing ridiculous for a person with no training to let everyone know 'how it should go down' during an incident lol...and I'M the keyboard warrior here? See ya.
So when you say "see ya", does that mean you are leaving and the adults can have a convo now?
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:38 PM   #68
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No- in other words...what I actually said.

Going to try sticking me with the 'stolen' valor' keyboard warrior crap now are ya.

My mistake for treating an internet forum like reality- where it is ****ing ridiculous for a person with no training to let everyone know 'how it should go down' during an incident lol...and I'M the keyboard warrior here? See ya.
no...in other words, your all mouth...

I've been around this site long enough to know just how many REAL badazz LEO, military, fire, ems, etc etc there are around here...
and not once have I seen one of this guys/gals beat their chest...
most all will give their opinion/knowledge to a situation without being a condescending a hole...

so yeah...you do you Rambo...
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:45 PM   #69
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It's sad how the video looks exactly like lots of video games kids play now days.
Correct BUT The only people that will ever see it this way are the ones who don't play them or don't allow their children to play them... History proves this....

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Old 03-15-2019, 04:01 PM   #70
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In other words...."It's all classified"....
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:12 PM   #71
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Mods please move this. Pleaseeeeeeeee!!!!
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Terrible situation all around...

Not gonna lie busted out at billythetroll...

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Old 03-15-2019, 04:29 PM   #73
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Prayers sent for the victims and their families, terrible loss.

Haven't seen the video and not sure I want to but it looks like another mass shooting in a gun free zone. Sure would be a great idea to shoot these pieces of scum before they can get started.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:01 PM   #74
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Never mind. Not going to feed the troll anymore.


Back on track. Whats disturbing is this nut job seemed to think he was doing the right thing. I cannot imagine the pain these families are going through. Having the murder of your loved one video'd like that. It's heartbreaking to think about.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:10 PM   #75
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Prayers for all involved. As long as their are people in this world....there will be evil people. As far as the comments above....until he thinks his number is really about to be called and he is able to walk away from it; he has no idea what fear and scared is. Period.

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Old 03-15-2019, 05:13 PM   #76
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Terrible situation.

Somebody be trippin, yo.

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Old 03-15-2019, 05:42 PM   #77
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There is NO justification for what happened. Period.
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Had the FBI and homeland security give a training class at work on active shooters. Both said grab anything to use as a weapon if you could if not use your fist and rush the shooter. It’s the last thing they expect.
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Was in a safety briefing recently and they talked active shooter scenarios. Said is best to run, hide, fight. Basically run away if you can 1st, hide where shooter doesn't have easy access to you 2nd, and if you find yourself with neither option fight as much as you can. Throw keys, books, shoes, whatever at the shooter and everyone attack him.

Also my brother who is a LEO says they use avoid, deny, defend when teaching personal safety. Avoid the shooter, deny shooter access to where you are, and defend yourself if no other option.

In neither case does it say ball up and kiss your arse good bye.
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there is a difference between rational discussion and someone telling everyone how things should be in a fire fight. you see the difference???

I see you are saying 'lowly civilians' to insinuate i think less of/think a civilian has no capability of self defense...clearly not the case.

"You see', there is a difference between carrying something for your own protection and telling everyone what you would do and people should do in a hostile situation.

The person is not qualified through experience or study to decide what one should do in a ****ing contact. You wanna go ahead and quarterback a surgeon???
Wow you are a moron. So I have to be burned to know that fire is hot?
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I agree Michael, but I think at the same time, they would join any group, are claim to be, to justify their intent of killing people.
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Probably would’ve kept that one to myself
Yep the author of that letter is a problem fo sho. People are responsible for their own actions, and there are idiots in every group of people, the end
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Never mind. Not going to feed the troll anymore.


Back on track. Whats disturbing is this nut job seemed to think he was doing the right thing. I cannot imagine the pain these families are going through. Having the murder of your loved one video'd like that. It's heartbreaking to think about.
Seems that most nut jobs seem to think they are doing the right thing whether they are blowing up towers, shooting up churches, shooting up mosques, shooting up concerts, driving trucks thorough crowds, etc. I sure don't understand it, cause some of them probably seem fairly rational, and then do that stuff. Makes no sense to me, sucks for all affected directly and the rest of us too. Just seem to make everyone ever one more reactionary, and that is a big problem to begin with
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Basically looking at all his posts we gotta yet another db to join up & cant add value on any topic deserving of mutual respect without being combative. guessing the same with new username. Sigh
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no...in other words, your all mouth...



I've been around this site long enough to know just how many REAL badazz LEO, military, fire, ems, etc etc there are around here...

and not once have I seen one of this guys/gals beat their chest...

most all will give their opinion/knowledge to a situation without being a condescending a hole...



so yeah...you do you Rambo...


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BET MOST OF Y'ALL DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS HAPPENED.

"Stark differences can be noticed in the level of world attention devoted to another recent massacre in Africa. On the morning of March 4, Christian communities in three villages in Benue State in northern Nigeria were attacked by Muslim Fulani militants. Some 23 people were killed by gunshot and machete blows as the Fulani attackers moved unchecked through the villages. Three days later, a further attack on other nearby villages resulted in the deaths of another three people. Such attacks are by no means unusual; during the month of January, a further 70 Christian villagers were murdered in other Fulani attacks.


However, these tragedies in northern Nigeria attracted little international attention. Sky News, BBC World, CNN, CNBC and Al-Jazeera were all silent with regard to these terrible events in Nigeria. As a result, the world’s TV viewers were left knowing nothing about the massacres in Africa, in contrast to the worldwide attention given to the massacres in New Zealand.

Why the difference? One factor must be the different levels of accessibility to such events by the world’s media. Western locations are much better furnished with state-of-the-art media facilities which can record every moment of every action that takes place in Western locations. Hence the level of media coverage of the New Zealand tragedy, compared with the almost complete non coverage of the tragedies in northern Nigeria."

"Of course the world should lament the tragic events in New Zealand. Of course the loss of Muslim lives is as appalling as the loss of Christian lives. But the relative disinterest among the international media with the ongoing persecution of Christians in parts of Africa is deeply troubling, suggesting far more than inadequate media access. Hard questions should be asked why the world’s media is so much more interested in a massacre of Muslims in New Zealand than ongoing massacres of Christians in Africa."
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New Zealand terrorist writes in manifesto that he is not a conservative, that he is not a Christian, and that he identifies as an eco-facist. He also adds that he disagrees with Trump on politics. He also lists his reasons for his attack. It was because of the attacks Muslims had done on Europeans. Not because of Trump like the fake narrative the leftist are trying to tell.

Located on page 7 of the manifesto.


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Basically looking at all his posts we gotta yet another db to join up & cant add value on any topic deserving of mutual respect without being combative. guessing the same with new username. Sigh
I agree with ya'..I'm on hear a lot,and don't recall ever seeing anything from this cat..I know a handful of certified ******' that have seen,and trained..I guarantee you they would never lose their cool like this dude..Internet forum,or otherwise.

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Here is the Manifesto

https://katana17.wordpress.com/2019/...oter-mar-2019/

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BET MOST OF Y'ALL DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS HAPPENED.

"Stark differences can be noticed in the level of world attention devoted to another recent massacre in Africa. On the morning of March 4, Christian communities in three villages in Benue State in northern Nigeria were attacked by Muslim Fulani militants. Some 23 people were killed by gunshot and machete blows as the Fulani attackers moved unchecked through the villages. Three days later, a further attack on other nearby villages resulted in the deaths of another three people. Such attacks are by no means unusual; during the month of January, a further 70 Christian villagers were murdered in other Fulani attacks.


However, these tragedies in northern Nigeria attracted little international attention. Sky News, BBC World, CNN, CNBC and Al-Jazeera were all silent with regard to these terrible events in Nigeria. As a result, the world’s TV viewers were left knowing nothing about the massacres in Africa, in contrast to the worldwide attention given to the massacres in New Zealand.

Why the difference? One factor must be the different levels of accessibility to such events by the world’s media. Western locations are much better furnished with state-of-the-art media facilities which can record every moment of every action that takes place in Western locations. Hence the level of media coverage of the New Zealand tragedy, compared with the almost complete non coverage of the tragedies in northern Nigeria."

"Of course the world should lament the tragic events in New Zealand. Of course the loss of Muslim lives is as appalling as the loss of Christian lives. But the relative disinterest among the international media with the ongoing persecution of Christians in parts of Africa is deeply troubling, suggesting far more than inadequate media access. Hard questions should be asked why the world’s media is so much more interested in a massacre of Muslims in New Zealand than ongoing massacres of Christians in Africa."
Since 9-11 the medias primary objective is to down play any Muslim attacks as isolated events with no religious connection dispite what the attackers say. The media have manufactured islamaphobia around the world while ignoring attacks like the one you mention. Your guess is as.good as mine as to why they do this but I'm guessing it has something to do with capitulation.
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Since 9-11 the medias primary objective is to down play any Muslim attacks as isolated events with no religious connection dispite what the attackers say. The media have manufactured islamaphobia around the world while ignoring attacks like the one you mention. Your guess is as.good as mine as to why they do this but I'm guessing it has something to do with capitulation.
How about the school shooting in Brazil?
I'd advise not watching the video. It's beyond brutal. Wish i could un see it.

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Old 03-16-2019, 08:53 AM   #95
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How about the school shooting in Brazil?
I'd advise not watching the video. It's beyond brutal. Wish i could un see it.

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I see plenty of dead people and dont really have any desire to see their cause of death.

According to USA today mass shootings around the world are the fault of America.
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Probably would’ve kept that one to myself
No joke lol. Good grief.
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There is NO justification for what happened. Period.
I've watched the video...

I felt the same anger afterwards, as I did watching the Sutherland Springs church shooting video...
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No joke lol. Good grief.
I don't see why it was wrong to share...they read that letter on the news / talk news all day yesterday & it is what it is. I'm not sure how Anning thought that would actually help anything & agree with you there.
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I don't see why it was wrong to share...they read that letter on the news / talk news all day yesterday & it is what it is. I'm not sure how Anning thought that would actually help anything & agree with you there.
I’m talking about the person who wrote the letter. While I agree with most of his point, it wasn’t a wise move to make that statement in his position.
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I’m talking about the person who wrote the letter. While I agree with most of his point, it wasn’t a wise move to make that statement in his position.
gotcha...guessing the frustration level is boiling over & the way the media approaches the stories depending on who the victims are isn't hard to hide the bias & becoming ridiculous. I don't understand why Anning decided to release something you know is divisive with poor timing, but it's not difficult to rationalize why some would think it. Yeah, better to hold that one close.

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