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Old 03-12-2019, 12:13 PM   #1
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Anyone read the writings of the Stoics? I’ve started reading Epictetus, Seneca, and Marcus Aurelius. Some strong and applicable wisdom in their writings. Many of societies most successful people apply stoic principles in their life
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Yes. Good stuff. Pretty sure I have couple of actual books. Aristotle as well. Highly recommend.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:53 PM   #3
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Yes Sir
Very good and worth while reading
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:20 PM   #4
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I'm a fan. The hardest part is putting it into practice, but your anxiety levels will drop to near nothing when you follow it. There are several short podcasts, some of them daily, that really help to keep it fresh in your mind.
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I'm a fan. The hardest part is putting it into practice, but your anxiety levels will drop to near nothing when you follow it. There are several short podcasts, some of them daily, that really help to keep it fresh in your mind.
Any podcasts in particular?
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I Wikipedia’ed it but came out confused. What’s the sentence or two jist of stoicism?
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I'll just stick to the one book I've been reading for a while.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:38 PM   #8
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I Wikipedia’ed it but came out confused. What’s the sentence or two jist of stoicism?
Grounding yourself emotionally and defining circumstances that you can and cannot control. Living every moment like it's your last. Essentially, becoming a better person in practice and daily application.
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Grounding yourself emotionally and defining circumstances that you can and cannot control. Living every moment like it's your last. Essentially, becoming a better person in practice and daily application.
I’d say that’s a good working definition.

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I'll just stick to the one book I've been reading for a while.
What book would you recommend?
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What book would you recommend?
I was reading Proverbs this morning.

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Old 03-12-2019, 05:02 PM   #12
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I was reading Proverbs this morning.

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I’ve been reading Proverbs with my son, a chapter each day. If you are implying the Stoicism is somehow in disagreement, I’d say you are wrong. It’s very much along the lines of “take every thought captive” 2 Cor 10:5
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I’ve been reading Proverbs with my son, a chapter each day. If you are implying the Stoicism is somehow in disagreement, I’d say you are wrong. It’s very much along the lines of “take every thought captive” 2 Cor 10:5
Didn't say that. I just don't feel the need to look at other books to find wisdom. Just my opinion.

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Old 03-12-2019, 05:29 PM   #14
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Didn't say that. I just don't feel the need to look at other books to find wisdom. Just my opinion.

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Fair enough. I prefer to seek multiple streams of wisdom and use Biblical truth as the measuring stick in which to evaluate them
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Any podcasts in particular?
The Practical Stoic Podcast
The Daily Stoic
Stoic Meditations
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:05 PM   #16
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I keep a stoic daily reader on hand. The used book store next door has tons of used books on this subject.


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Old 03-12-2019, 07:07 PM   #17
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stoic... never heard of it.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:09 PM   #18
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I see plenty of lessons to be learned in stoicism and the modern barrage/sharing of information. Too much to type out on a phone. But yes, I am a fan.
This mostly revolves around how we choose to react and interact with people we don’t know and most likely will never meet in the digital world.

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Old 03-12-2019, 07:21 PM   #19
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The Cliffs Notes version is a book entitled, "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F***" by Mark Manson.
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:35 PM   #20
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I had always thought stoicism as this emotionless, stone faced personality. But I’m learning it’s a philosophy of separating external conditions and they way you respond, and values referred as virtues.
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:49 PM   #21
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Seneca and Marcus Aurelius books are available for free on Kindle.

Keep one on your phone to read when you have to sit and wait for a long time, like at the DPS or the tax office. It will help you keep calm when faced with vast amounts of stupidity.
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:55 AM   #22
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Fair enough. I prefer to seek multiple streams of wisdom and use Biblical truth as the measuring stick in which to evaluate them
Same here
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:59 AM   #23
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A fun study is to look at how the apostle Paul was (or was not) influenced by stoic philosophy in his writing.
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:11 PM   #24
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The Cliffs Notes version is a book entitled, "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F***" by Mark Manson.
Sounds like stoicism comes natural to some of us then
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Old 03-15-2019, 06:22 AM   #25
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It's hard to harness our busy brain, i honestly can't reconcile our brain power with evolutionary theroy. Explanatory descriptions fly outI the window describing how selective pressure led to our large brains, that sometimes I think do nothing more than torture us and fill out free time with internal stressors that drive us to illogical conclusions. I would love to discuss this with anyone who'd thought about it. But this thought process also makes the fallacy of expecting scientific theory to describe what is happening, instead of producing the closest description possible deductively without being nullified. I'm gonna shut up now.

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Old 03-15-2019, 06:57 AM   #26
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"Scientists have successfully driven the layman—and this includes the highly educated philosopher—out of the business of knowing something about the world." This quote sums up what I gathered in college. You can't expect Science to explain things, it's just an attempt to get close to the bullseye, and that's what I think it should be taken as. Plus to me, the bible gives good advice when the apostles and the old testament speak of pride. The sun may rise every morning after I brush my teeth but that doesn't mean it rises because I brush my teeth. What I'm getting at is that a description of what happens, however detailed and and thoughtful, doesn't elucidate "why". And it let's me down when people quote some scientific theory as truth. "Layman-and I am one too" It's a large splitting maul that is unwieldy and may split wood, but not efficiently or with any certainty. It's just a brutish way of accomplishing ones goal, argumetatively or otherwise, without acknowledging the limits of what is trying to be accomplished.

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Old 03-15-2019, 06:59 AM   #27
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But that's why I think it's awesome, God's smart monkey is attempting to describe natural phenomena.

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Old 03-15-2019, 07:40 PM   #28
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Didn't say that. I just don't feel the need to look at other books to find wisdom. Just my opinion.

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Indeed
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:31 AM   #29
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I’m agnostic and a libertarian.
Life is hard. It always has been and always will be.
I like the Bible and the teachings of the apostles.
I like books and science and music and all kinds of ****.
But at its core I understand that humanity is not perfect and we will eat our own and we are not above the known laws of nature. And I’m gonna do my best to raise strong, independent, thoughtful children and enjoy the ride.


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