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Old 02-04-2020, 04:41 PM   #1
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Ford F150's only for the past 30 years - trade for a new one every 3 years.

Bought my 2016 - first had issues with my screen/audio - I am on my third module - they replaced the first two (only after I went all the way to corporate). This should be a recall item for Ford as it is happening to many trucks.

Then my engine started whining - sounded like a bad belt. Took it in today and the mechanic calls and says they have to replace all the bolts and both manifolds and maybe have to work on the turbo - $2200 estimate. I ask the mechanic and he tells me it is a common problem but Ford refuses to address it or warranty it.

This is it with Fords - it is a shame but I have had enough.

As a side note I am also learning about the aluminum vehicles - dented my tailgate - cannot be repaired. So a new tailgate will cost another $1700 to replace

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Old 02-04-2020, 04:43 PM   #2
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That stinks!! Been a Ford driver my whole life and don’t plan on changing. But if i started having problems like that it would be hard to stick with them!
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Old 02-04-2020, 04:48 PM   #3
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I have a good friend who works for a very big nationwide company. They let them choose their work trucks, usually getting a new one every three years. Except they cannot choose Ford because of the aluminum body. I would assume, because of the size of the company, that they are self-insured, but I don't know, and don't know if insurance is the reason they can't have Ford.
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Old 02-04-2020, 05:01 PM   #4
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Dents add character. All trucks need repair at some point.


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Old 02-04-2020, 05:09 PM   #5
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Get ya a Toyota built in Texas and forget your troubles.
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Old 02-04-2020, 05:14 PM   #6
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Built or assembled in Texas?
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Old 02-04-2020, 05:33 PM   #7
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i get ford fleet trucks and since 2017 ive had more issue with them under 20k miles that the older ones at 200k
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Old 02-04-2020, 05:38 PM   #8
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Buy a Toyota and be done with it. I still drive a F-150 at work that’s why I bought a Toyota lesson learned Ford is junk, but that my 2 cents.
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At this point in time I don't know how all vehicles aren't either a Toyota or a Cummins. I've never met someone who drives either and admitted to having a mechanical issue.
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Don't buy a Dodge.. I have one. The 1st and last for me. Not a fan.



Hail there all junk.. Never mind..
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Better check what Toyotaís are actually assembled in texas
Believe the Tacoma is moving to MEXICO



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Old 02-04-2020, 06:09 PM   #12
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At this point in time I don't know how all vehicles aren't either a Toyota or a Cummins. I've never met someone who drives either and admitted to having a mechanical issue.
Me either !!
I've hammered hard on 2 Tundras, and them things just run an run an run .
Hard to understand why you would buy anything else, unless you had to have a 3/4 or bigger.
Or maybe you need a moonroof and a sunroof, which they don't offer(?).
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Old 02-04-2020, 06:15 PM   #13
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Or maybe you need a moonroof and a sunroof, which they don't offer(?).
As a guy who has to work outdoors all year, those are options that have never appealed.

Just another seal to leak or glass for hail to shatter.
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Old 02-04-2020, 06:21 PM   #14
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Gm is aluminum too. Good luck with a Dodge. Guess you have to go toyota.
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Old 02-04-2020, 06:28 PM   #15
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Don't buy a Dodge.. I have one. The 1st and last for me. Not a fan.



Hail there all junk.. Never mind..
Have one, stupid thing. It has 117k+ on the clock and I have to replace the sway bar end links this weekend. $36 worth of parts and an hour labor, definitely not worth it. Only gets 18-19 mpg on the highway with 34.2Ē mud tires. Real worlds calcs, not going by the estimator.

Sarcasm aside, you can get a bad one regardless or brand. And yes that means Toyota as well. Before I moved into the office in September 2016 my helper and I used to mark DOA trucks. More Ford than anything, more of those sold every year. Doing rough math they basically all averaged out. Hell my 16 year old daughter passed her driving test 6 days ago and got her license last Friday. Sheís now driving a 2001 PSD my wife and I bought specifically for her. First friggin Ford Iíve bought since my early 20ís but give me one of those older 7.3 diesels and Iíll take my chances.

Donít be hung up on brands. Ford done you wrong, move on. Insert any other brand in place of Ford in the previous sentence. My next truck (late this year or early next) has a good chance of being a Ram but Iíll definitely check them all out. Probably not many people here being paid to drive any brand in particular so why limit yourself. Check em all out and buy what you like.
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Old 02-04-2020, 06:36 PM   #16
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I've owned several Fords over the last thirty years. My last one, an F250 with the 5.7 Powerstroke. Loved the truck but every time I went past a dealership, I saw one with the cab lifted off so they could work on the engine. Heard horror stories of $10,000 fuel system repairs. I thought it over for a few months and decided that I'm not rich enough to drive one, nor do I really need the diesel. Sold it and got a Tundra. I really like it and don't miss the Ford at all.
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Old 02-04-2020, 06:43 PM   #17
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You can get a good or a bad one of any of them.

I've had pretty good luck with GM products. If I ever buy another brand half ton it would probably be Toyota.

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Old 02-04-2020, 09:06 PM   #18
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I understand Ford can be trouble !
But still better than the rest. IMO
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Old 02-04-2020, 09:08 PM   #19
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Where are you located OP?
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Old 02-04-2020, 09:18 PM   #20
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Built or assembled in Texas?


Every tundra is built in Texas with more American sourced parts than Chevy or dodge. (Not combined of course)


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Old 02-04-2020, 09:20 PM   #21
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I had a similar story to you OP. I waited till the check engine light on my 2016 f150, with 92,000 miles turned off and pulled into the first Toyota dealership and got a tundra to try. Iíve put 60,000 on it in a little over a year, and I now think itís the best truck Ive ever owned.


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Old 02-04-2020, 09:21 PM   #22
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I went Tundra 2 months ago for similar issues. Very good decision.
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Old 02-04-2020, 09:39 PM   #23
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I donít understand these rants. Everything breaks and when you build millions of an item some are just going to be flat out messed up. You couldnít give my uncle another Tundra, my last Chevrolet was a POS, my Dad thinks Fords are the worst thing on the road and my granddad will cuss you if you mention Dodge.




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Old 02-04-2020, 09:49 PM   #24
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I donít understand these rants. Everything breaks and when you build millions of an item some are just going to be flat out messed up. You couldnít give my uncle another Tundra, my last Chevrolet was a POS, my Dad thinks Fords are the worst thing on the road and my granddad will cuss you if you mention Dodge.




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Old 02-04-2020, 09:51 PM   #25
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If Toyota would put a decent seat in the tundra I’d get one, but that flat as a park bench built for fat azz Americans excuse of a seat sucks
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Old 02-05-2020, 03:48 AM   #26
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Built or assembled in Texas?
How are you splitting this hair? In other words, which part of the modern, globally-sourced vehicle production process are you meaning by ďbuiltĒ?

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Better check what Toyotaís are actually assembled in texas
Believe the Tacoma is moving to MEXICO
Same as above, plus, got a link? Some Tacos have been built in Mexico for a long time. They sell a few there, you know.
Mexico is a fine place to build vehiclesó ask Ford.
If youíre going to capitalize selectively, how about TEXAS?
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Old 02-05-2020, 05:51 AM   #27
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When looking for a new vehicle, drive around town and find a dealership without a service department. They make the perfect vehicle.

They all break, they all have quirks. Much like getting married, find the level of crazy you can handle and stick with it. If crazy gets out of hand trade it in.
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Old 02-05-2020, 06:00 AM   #28
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Main problem with toyota for me is fuel economy. Sure the Tundra is a great truck, but 13-17 mpg is a crock.
I had ford break down on me, dodge break down on me, dont want to touch fuel bill on a Yota, and canít fit in the plywood seat of a chevy.

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Iíll take poor mpg over repairs any given day, period. They all get about the same at 80, pushing a 5000lb brick through the air.




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Main problem with toyota for me is fuel economy. Sure the Tundra is a great truck, but 13-17 mpg is a crock.
I had ford break down on me, dodge break down on me, dont want to touch fuel bill on a Yota, and canít fit in the plywood seat of a chevy.

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Old 02-05-2020, 06:28 AM   #30
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OP, what was the charge to fix the radio? How long has the last repair worked?
I had mine repaired last week. Just wondering how long it might last.
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Old 02-05-2020, 06:40 AM   #31
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Iíll take poor mpg over repairs any given day, period. They all get about the same at 80, pushing a 5000lb brick through the air.
Not to mention it's a truck, not a Prius.

That said, they all have issues. Toyota seems to overcome theirs by making everything easily serviceable. Prime example in a Toyota. Every spark plug is under the hood rather than the dash. This makes getting to spark plugs, removing heads, etc...100% easier. Toyota design spec requires all spark plugs to be able to be changed in 30 minutes. They have a time design spec for most repairs.

Meanwhile, I look under my Ford, or my dads GM, and no way a person is reaching the rear glow plugs or spark plugs without hours of getting all sorts of other components out of the way.

To be clear, I love my Ford, and probably will never buy a Toyota. But to see how Toyota raised the bar is impressive.
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OP, what was the charge to fix the radio? How long has the last repair worked?
I had mine repaired last week. Just wondering how long it might last.
the original on my new truck lasted around a year. They replaced under warranty and it lasted about a year. The third one is still working and that was around a year ago - I was out of warranty but convinced them to cover it since it is a widespread issue with Ford - would have cost me $1000 if I had to pay for it
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When looking for a new vehicle, drive around town and find a dealership without a service department. They make the perfect vehicle.

They all break, they all have quirks. Much like getting married, find the level of crazy you can handle and stick with it. If crazy gets out of hand trade it in.
I am fully aware all vehicles break - my complaint is when the manufacturer knows there is an issue but refuses to address it - both of my issues with this truck are common
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[QUOTE=175gr7.62;14684851]I donít understand these rants. Everything breaks and when you build millions of an item some are just going to be flat out messed up. You couldnít give my uncle another Tundra, my last Chevrolet was a POS, my Dad thinks Fords are the worst thing on the road and my granddad will cuss you if you mention Dodge.

Again - I have owned more new Fords than I can count - I know they all can have issues - the problem is when it is a KNOWN issue in many of their vehicles but they refuse to do anything about it --
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In my experience beyond the dealer level most manufacturers will cover common items for customer satisfaction. Call Ford directly, or ask the sac mngr respectfully to reach out to the District/Area mngr. typically will cover part or all of common issues within reason.
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I donít understand these rants. Everything breaks and when you build millions of an item some are just going to be flat out messed up. You couldnít give my uncle another Tundra, my last Chevrolet was a POS, my Dad thinks Fords are the worst thing on the road and my granddad will cuss you if you mention Dodge.

Again - I have owned more new Fords than I can count - I know they all can have issues - the problem is when it is a KNOWN issue in many of their vehicles but they refuse to do anything about it --
I empathize with you OP, spending 40 and 50k on a vehicle is not pleasent, and we all expect them to work for that price. But the big three all do the same thing you are ****** at Ford about.

GM has issues with headlights failing, tailgate handles breaking, AFM destroying engines. Dodge has issues with the "tick", and manifold failures, not to mention numerous electrical demons. Neither MFG will cover those after the warranty either. And they refuse to acknowledge a problem, much less fix after the warranty is up.
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At this point in time I don't know how all vehicles aren't either a Toyota or a Cummins. I've never met someone who drives either and admitted to having a mechanical issue.
Because some guys would rather save 10k when buying a new truck.. They figure it will cost them way less than 10k to repair the truck over the years.

So to each their own. If they don't mind fixing themselves and/or being broke down a couple times over the next 100k miles they may actually come out ahead.

I'm a Tacoma guy BTW. I'm sure this thread will or is full of the "my Ford is perfect" posts which drive me nuts. People just can't figure it's not the 80% that run good...It's the 20% that suck where the problem is.
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Yep. That happened with me many years ago. Drove them for 20 years and a 5 minute phone call ended that.
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Main problem with toyota for me is fuel economy. Sure the Tundra is a great truck, but 13-17 mpg is a crock.
I had ford break down on me, dodge break down on me, dont want to touch fuel bill on a Yota, and canít fit in the plywood seat of a chevy.

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I've been a Toyota fan for years. Bought an F150 in March of 2019 to try and it was the biggest heap. Burned a quart of oil every 1500 miles, cam phasers rattling, dash warped, steering joints had to be replaced, transmission would feel like it was about to fall out randomly. This was all in 13,000 miles. I'm back in a Toyota as of last week. Will never have anything else, learned my lesson.
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:32 AM   #42
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Man, sorry to hear all of this about Ford. I think they rushed some stuff like most car Mfg's these days. I think Toyota has it going on with the Tundra.. as it has relatively stayed the same for a long time and it's high level of quality/reliability shows. Wish Ford would do a similar thing and stop trying to invent something new all of the time.
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Man, sorry to hear all of this about Ford. I think they rushed some stuff like most car Mfg's these days. I think Toyota has it going on with the Tundra.. as it has relatively stayed the same for a long time and it's high level of quality/reliability shows. Wish Ford would do a similar thing and stop trying to invent something new all of the time.
you can find someone that will say the same things about GM, Toyota, and ram....sometimes one comes out that is problematic, it happens. To me brand loyality is silly, but it is huge to a lot of people. Sometimes (not saying in this case) is has a lot to do with how well they are taken care of also
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:40 AM   #44
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ALWAYS GET THE SERVICE CONTRACT if you can afford it!

I am a finance manager at a dealership. I have worked at just about every reputable brand out there and every vehicle is going to have its own issues. One thing about your situation is you are listening to a mechanic that most likely does not see a majority of these claims. I get it you are supposed to trust your mechanic but sometimes they stretch the truth a little. Not saying sales guys dont do the same...

No one these days can fix these vehicles if something happens to them, too much technology. The guys in the shop are now called technicians because that is exactly what they are. Most of the issues with the now super advanced cars/trucks these days are going to have to be diagnosed just like a sick person in a Dr office. I always suggest to get the service contract. With all the potential problems that are out there with any brand its hard to have too much insurance. Most ppl pay $10-15/ month for insurance on their phone which cost $800-900 total to replace. You can get a service contract for a $50,000 truck for a little over half of that. No brainer for me with all the advanced features that are on them these days. This is not a sales pitch for you to buy one just saying if you would have spent the $40 a month you would only have to come up with $100 deductible and not have that extra burden of $2200 plus your actual truck note.
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:44 AM   #45
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Ford F150's only for the past 30 years - trade for a new one every 3 years.

Bought my 2016 - first had issues with my screen/audio - I am on my third module - they replaced the first two (only after I went all the way to corporate). This should be a recall item for Ford as it is happening to many trucks.

Then my engine started whining - sounded like a bad belt. Took it in today and the mechanic calls and says they have to replace all the bolts and both manifolds and maybe have to work on the turbo - $2200 estimate. I ask the mechanic and he tells me it is a common problem but Ford refuses to address it or warranty it.

This is it with Fords - it is a shame but I have had enough.

As a side note I am also learning about the aluminum vehicles - dented my tailgate - cannot be repaired. So a new tailgate will cost another $1700 to replace

Rant over


Have you looked into extended warranties or just the basic one when you purchased it? I got Apex through Ford when i purchased my 2017 F250. It is a full bumper to bumper warranty. Even covers paint defects and windshields. Wont cover wear items like belts, brakes, and tires of course. But it does cover everything else to 100K miles. Cost me $12 extra a month.
I have not had to use it at all with 68K miles on it so far, but at least i know iím covered.


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Kicked ford to the curb a year ago, 2014 F150 bought brand new off the lot was on it's 4th transmission before the warranty went out.

Bought a Tundra and never looked back.
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:54 AM   #47
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Not to mention it's a truck, not a Prius.

That said, they all have issues. Toyota seems to overcome theirs by making everything easily serviceable. Prime example in a Toyota. Every spark plug is under the hood rather than the dash. This makes getting to spark plugs, removing heads, etc...100% easier. Toyota design spec requires all spark plugs to be able to be changed in 30 minutes. They have a time design spec for most repairs.

Meanwhile, I look under my Ford, or my dads GM, and no way a person is reaching the rear glow plugs or spark plugs without hours of getting all sorts of other components out of the way.

To be clear, I love my Ford, and probably will never buy a Toyota. But to see how Toyota raised the bar is impressive.
except the steering rack. they wanted to charge 14 hours of labor to change one. someone mentioned that it could possibly require pulling the motor .
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Old 02-05-2020, 08:57 AM   #48
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Look for a new tailgate online. Depending on color, you can probably find a replacement for $600 or less.
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Old 02-05-2020, 09:05 AM   #49
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I've had 4th and 5th gen rams.
They've both been solid trucks.
Gas mileage really sucks on them when you install your 35s, but other than that they're great. I had a tundra before the rams it was a great truck, but the darn things ride like a 3/4 ton and they also get horrible mileage.
I thought about buying a 2016 Ford 5.0, the year before all the aluminum. Those trucks actually got decent mileage and we're tough
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Old 02-05-2020, 09:08 AM   #50
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I suggest you get on the F150 forums or Facebook groups to see what you can find out about the condition you are experiencing. I have two older cars and I have stopped relying on mechanics to properly diagnose issues. Obviously there are a bunch of knuckleheads on the forums and FB groups but if you do enough research you can find great information. My AC wasn't working very well on my daily driver and the mechanic wanted to replace the entire AC system. I got on one of the year and model specific FB groups and one of the guys coached me through pressing a series of buttons on the climate control to see if any fault codes come up. I gave the code to the same gentleman and he got me lined out with part number and a youtube video on how to change it out. Turns out it was just an actuator that I changed out myself for 40 bucks.

One benefit to seeking outside help from the dealership is that the aftermarket usually solves the shortcomings of the factory issue. In some cases the dealership is just going to replace it with the same flawed part.

Good luck.
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