Reply
Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > Around the Campfire
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-11-2021, 02:29 PM   #1
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default Theologians answer please…

Why would God create a spiritual being who’s whole Eternity (thats like forever) is based on his/her short term on earth ?
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:30 PM   #2
bullhead44
Ten Point
 
bullhead44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: collinsville tx
Default

Why not?
bullhead44 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:33 PM   #3
kerrbow
Ten Point
 
kerrbow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Kerrville Texas
Hunt In: Hill Country and Kansas
Default

Adam and Eve were not created for a short term. They chose disobedience and we are the result of that.
kerrbow is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:34 PM   #4
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

Too easy of an answer.

If we were Created by Him and he knew us before the womb and we have an eternal disposition after our physical death then we are eternal beings. Why if we are already of God do we get sent here where our eternal disposition with Him can be changed. I know we are here to Worship Him.
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:35 PM   #5
DRT
Pope & Young
 
DRT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Fort Worth, Tx
Hunt In: Jones County and Missouri
Default

It's a good question.
I also wonder, Jeremiah 1:5
New International Version

5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

If as spiritual beings we were before we were humans, what were we doing? What part or piece did we play? If we were before, and we will be after, what really is the point of this trip we call the human experience?

And I've spoken with priests, pastors and well studied ministers. None have the answer. Or give the answer that when we get to heaven all will be revealed. So if we go to hell we'll stay is suspense?
DRT is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:35 PM   #6
Hogmauler
Ten Point
 
Hogmauler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Katy
Hunt In: Kerrville
Default

I’m not a theologian first of all. Are you asking why you’re eternity is based off of your short life here on earth? If so God simply gives people what they want. He offers us eternal life through the free gift of the shed blood of Jesus Christ. Or, folks that choose not to accept that free gift are given what they chose on this side. If you chose no relationship with Christ on this side He gives you the same after death. Born once and die twice. Born twice and die once.
Hogmauler is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:38 PM   #7
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

If I’m already eternal with God why give me the chance to screw it up ?

Make no mistake, I am a knower not by “faith” anymore. I know whats on the other side and glad I’m going there as I got a taste as illustrated in 2 Corinthians 12:2

Last edited by Johnny44; 05-11-2021 at 02:40 PM.
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:43 PM   #8
TxDispatcher
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Bellville, Tx
Hunt In: East Texas Pineywoods, Austin County
Default

Humanity is the only creation that has a choice on what we do. The fowl of the air do what they are designed to do, the beasts of the field do what they were designed to do...God created humanity with a free will. I believe it is because He desired a creation that would worship Him on our own accord. Not to be a smartalec, but if you didn't have free will, you would be exactly like the birds/animals/fish/etc. God wanted a creation who would worship Him because we desire to, not due to a design that "forced" us to. Just my thoughts on it
TxDispatcher is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:45 PM   #9
slayer
Pope & Young
 
slayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Arlington
Hunt In: Knox & Haskell County
Default

CHOICE, God gives us the ability to make a choice. Choose him or not. Good or sin! He knows our hearts and wants us to MAKE HIM our choice, nothing more, nothing less.
slayer is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:46 PM   #10
Hogmauler
Ten Point
 
Hogmauler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Katy
Hunt In: Kerrville
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
If I’m already eternal with God why give me the chance to screw it up ?

Make no mistake, I am a knower not by “faith” anymore. I know whats on the other side and glad I’m going there as I got a taste as illustrated in 2 Corinthians 12:2
If your born again you can’t screw it up. You can screw your life up but in the end your still saved. If you could lose your salvation we’d all be toast brother.
Hogmauler is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:47 PM   #11
c3products20
Six Point
 
c3products20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
Why would God create a spiritual being who’s whole Eternity (thats like forever) is based on his/her short term on earth ?
He didn't. He created us perfect, walking with Him in the garden. We are the ones who messed that up. He had to give us free will or it wouldn't be love. Unfortunately we choose wrong more often than not.

Sent from my moto g stylus using Tapatalk
c3products20 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:51 PM   #12
ttaxidermy
Pope & Young
 
ttaxidermy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Brazoria county
Hunt In: Brady,McCulloch Cnty, Brazoria cnty, South Africa, Namibia Nebraska
Default

It's a test.. You pass or fail.. The rules are laid out for anyone willing to read them and live by them. .. Your choice.. It ain't easy but Pretty simple to understand IMO. But I'm not judging anyone..
ttaxidermy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 02:57 PM   #13
MadHatter
Pope & Young
 
MadHatter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TxDispatcher View Post
Humanity is the only creation that has a choice on what we do. The fowl of the air do what they are designed to do, the beasts of the field do what they were designed to do...God created humanity with a free will. I believe it is because He desired a creation that would worship Him on our own accord. Not to be a smartalec, but if you didn't have free will, you would be exactly like the birds/animals/fish/etc. God wanted a creation who would worship Him because we desire to, not due to a design that "forced" us to. Just my thoughts on it
Maybe not forced but certainly not logical.
Worship me or Ill burn you alive forever.....
If God knows the beginning and end, then before you were ever created he knew whether you would burn, or go to Heaven.
My fate was decided long long ago, before I was ever created.
Seems like a lot of suffering here on earth, and after, just so a select few He already knew about can hang out with him later.
Like DRT Ive put 100s of these questions to 100s of men of the cloth over my lifetime.
Put before them as a little kid countless times, because since I was born, I could never make peace with any of it in my head.
People talk about the sacrifice of giving your only son.
If I had the power, and knew my son would rise again, well you could kill him a 1000 times, and it would be no sweat off my back, in the scheme of eternity and a all powerful being.
But no answers of anykind...
Put em all in your "why" bag and ask God when you get there.
Or dont, because according to all Ive ever dealt with, when you get to heaven you wont care about those questions, anymore .
Such a bewildering topic.
MadHatter is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:02 PM   #14
Ag 89
Six Point
 
Ag 89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: SETX
Hunt In: Segovia, Menard
Default

He is God, we are not. We do not understand many things about God. He gives us his word to study and learn more about him. However, the things he reveals in the Bible are the things he has chosen to reveal to us. He gives us some peaks as to what heaven is like, but we cannot comprehend what it is really like. Nor can we understand why he would send his only son to die for all of us who do not deserve it. The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) ; We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23); But God commended his own love for us, in that, while we were still sinners Christ died for us (Romans 5:8). It is not our place to understand. It is our place to have faith that God's word is true.
Ag 89 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:05 PM   #15
rvd
Pope & Young
 
rvd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Gulf Coast
Hunt In: Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MadHatter View Post
Maybe not forced but certainly not logical.
Worship me or Ill burn you alive forever.....
If God knows the beginning and end, then before you were ever created he knew whether you would burn, or go to Heaven.
My fate was decided long long ago, before I was ever created.
Seems like a lot of suffering here on earth, and after, just so a select few He already knew about can hang out with him later.
Like DRT Ive put 100s of these questions to 100s of men of the cloth over my lifetime.
Put before them as a little kid countless times, because since I was born, I could never make peace with any of it in my head.
People talk about the sacrifice of giving your only son.
If I had the power, and knew my son would rise again, well you could kill him a 1000 times, and it would be no sweat off my back, in the scheme of eternity and a all powerful being.
But no answers of anykind...
Put em all in your "why" bag and ask God when you get there.
Or dont, because according to all Ive ever dealt with, when you get to heaven you wont care about those questions, anymore .
Such a bewildering topic.
I believe I know where my Son's are going to end up but I would never want them to experience the agony and death Christ did. You have kids?
rvd is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:06 PM   #16
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

Those thinking we have free will or not are both correct scripturally but that ain’t what I’m talking about here
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:10 PM   #17
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kerrbow View Post
Adam and Eve were not created for a short term. They chose disobedience and we are the result of that.
But God created them to disobey and KNEW they would…He is the Author of Life !
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:16 PM   #18
Split_Brow
Six Point
 
Split_Brow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sulphur Springs
Hunt In: Hopkins County, SE Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Dark Side of the Moon
Default

I always like when Christianity bleeds into philosophy. What I have learned in my time on earth, after experiencing many things now that are supernatural, is that God is so much bigger than the box we put Him in for an hour and a half on Sunday mornings. We read about the perfect Garden of Eden and how we screwed it up, but yet never question why the fallen angel was allowed to be there. God is omnipotent, all knowing, and states that Christ was formed before the foundation of the world. He knew from the start how it would all go, knowing before the beginning we would need a Savior. He formed Adam first, and then from Adam, he formed Eve. Yet, it was Eve that Lucifer tempted first, knowing that he could not tempt Adam, but that Eve was Adam's only weakness. My belief is that this is not our only life, or our first life (once again, my belief). We like to say that life begins at conception, and use this as our defense against abortions, but don't take into consideration that statistically, 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage. That is a lot of souls going right back to God in utero. To the child who dies at birth, or at the age of 8, to the person born severely cognitively handicapped, what of those lives? There is so much more in the way that God works that we could never fathom, He's just that big. I mean, we believe in a universe, that is infinite in all directions, and yet, He created it all. Why so big, for a living being like ourselves that are so small. The undeniable connections that we have with total strangers, the feelings of knowing someone much longer than the hour or so that we talk with them. Eternal connections that our fleshly body can't understand, but souls recognize, as if through the hazy fog of trying to remember a dream that you had. I believe there is an end to it all, as prophesied in the Bible, I believe that Jesus is the way and the truth, but that we are much more eternal than we understand, going in both directions, forward and backwards. God had no beginning after all, so whose to say that we haven't been around much longer than our human brains will allow us to remember.
Split_Brow is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:23 PM   #19
DRT
Pope & Young
 
DRT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Fort Worth, Tx
Hunt In: Jones County and Missouri
Default

I agree. And this is what I tell folks too. I can't fit God in a box. Or even intobjust His words He gave us in the bible.
So for me it isn't about religion. It's about relationships. With Him and people. I accept His gift and hope that is enough because what I do and fail to do will have sealed my fate if not.
May God's light and life shine upon us all.

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
DRT is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:25 PM   #20
MadHatter
Pope & Young
 
MadHatter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Split_Brow View Post
I always like when Christianity bleeds into philosophy. What I have learned in my time on earth, after experiencing many things now that are supernatural, is that God is so much bigger than the box we put Him in for an hour and a half on Sunday mornings. We read about the perfect Garden of Eden and how we screwed it up, but yet never question why the fallen angel was allowed to be there. God is omnipotent, all knowing, and states that Christ was formed before the foundation of the world. He knew from the start how it would all go, knowing before the beginning we would need a Savior. He formed Adam first, and then from Adam, he formed Eve. Yet, it was Eve that Lucifer tempted first, knowing that he could not tempt Adam, but that Eve was Adam's only weakness. My belief is that this is not our only life, or our first life (once again, my belief). We like to say that life begins at conception, and use this as our defense against abortions, but don't take into consideration that statistically, 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage. That is a lot of souls going right back to God in utero. To the child who dies at birth, or at the age of 8, to the person born severely cognitively handicapped, what of those lives? There is so much more in the way that God works that we could never fathom, He's just that big. I mean, we believe in a universe, that is infinite in all directions, and yet, He created it all. Why so big, for a living being like ourselves that are so small. The undeniable connections that we have with total strangers, the feelings of knowing someone much longer than the hour or so that we talk with them. Eternal connections that our fleshly body can't understand, but souls recognize, as if through the hazy fog of trying to remember a dream that you had. I believe there is an end to it all, as prophesied in the Bible, I believe that Jesus is the way and the truth, but that we are much more eternal than we understand, going in both directions, forward and backwards. God had no beginning after all, so whose to say that we haven't been around much longer than our human brains will allow us to remember.
God uses a lot of absolutes when talking about who goes to heaven.
Just because you were aborted, died as a child, etc..doesnt mean you get a free ride imo.
MadHatter is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:27 PM   #21
riverbowman
Eight Point
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Highland Village, TX
Default

I definitely think about stuff like this, but it makes my brain hurt and sometimes I just have to come back to these words.

Isaiah 55:8-9
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
riverbowman is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:37 PM   #22
RedBear78
Six Point
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Beaumont
Hunt In: Warren,Sourlake,Angelina forest
Default

Some good questions and some good answers.One thing I’ve discovered is that a lot of the Bible is written in poetic form and figures of speech. So it’s not always to be taken in a literal and black and white matter.I’ve also seen how pagan philosophy and doctrine have infiltrated so called Christian beliefs that’s why a lot of religious leaders can’t answer some of the simple questions.Just like the hellfire doctrine if you read in the ancient original writings there was no burning hellfire mentioned but after translating the Bible finally into English with some fearful doctrine mixed in with tainted teaching you have a horrible horrible false teaching that bewilders people.From what I’ve seen satan has made sure he messes with people’s faith in all kinds of ways even from good hearted well meaning pastors.I encourage people to do prayerful research and Bible reading on there own don’t just go by what tradition and the mainstream teach.The King James Bible is a great Bible and was a blessing but it’s not the original and not in today’s English I suggest using multiple bibles when doing research and study just doing that helps clarify some things.As mentioned earlier faith is very important we can’t wrap our head around everything.One thing that helped my faith is when I really proved that the Bible was scientifically,historically and prophetically accurate.The Bible is the only book I’ve come across that will help any one in the world that applies its teaching there is not one bad thing that comes from its message.2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for all men and all things.
RedBear78 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:40 PM   #23
Death from Above
Pope & Young
 
Death from Above's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Henderson, Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
Too easy of an answer.

If we were Created by Him and he knew us before the womb and we have an eternal disposition after our physical death then we are eternal beings. Why if we are already of God do we get sent here where our eternal disposition with Him can be changed. I know we are here to Worship Him.
You are not already of God...Humanity is created.

We have a start. God does not.

I think that is the jest of your question?
Death from Above is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 03:58 PM   #24
Etxbuckman
Pope & Young
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Spring
Default

I think people tend to overthink Christianity (I'm guilty of it as well). I just try to focus on what I do know: I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and for that reason I know where I'll be when my time here is done. That's it. The rest is just stuff to get worked up over, and none of us have the answers anyway.
Etxbuckman is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 04:00 PM   #25
FLASH_OUTDOORS
Pope & Young
 
FLASH_OUTDOORS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: Davy Crockett National Forest
Default

Johnny, let’s say you were an engineer. You spent alot of time creating bows. You were looking to build the perfect bow. Finally you created it. By the time you had created it, you knew every bolt and every hole. You know the exact fiberglass count in the limbs. Would you just hang the bow up on a shelf and look at it? Or would you put it to use and let it prove itself?

You will never fully understand or find the answers you seek.

One thing people forget is, in the beginning god created Adam and Eve. He also put the snake there. He put the snake there to test them. Kinda like putting a bow you made thru a “dry fire” test to make sure it’s durable.

We are put on this earth to prove we are worthy.

Yes he created us
Yes he tests us
Yes we pass or fail.

We will never totally understand, we aren’t meant to. Hold tight, stay the course and focus on Jesus. When you stumble and fall get back up again.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
FLASH_OUTDOORS is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 04:10 PM   #26
BigCountry101
Four Point
 
BigCountry101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Default

Here is an answer from an actual reformed theologian --
https://www.desiringgod.org/intervie...ternal-destiny
BigCountry101 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 04:10 PM   #27
rolylane6
Eight Point
 
rolylane6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Wise county
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
If I’m already eternal with God why give me the chance to screw it up ?

Make no mistake, I am a knower not by “faith” anymore. I know whats on the other side and glad I’m going there as I got a taste as illustrated in 2 Corinthians 12:2
I'm also not a theologian but the best way I can explain it is so you would have the opportunity to choose Him. If he did not give you a choice, you would be forced by Him to be with Him. Love isn't forced on someone. They must have a choice in it. Imagine if you could just force any woman you desired to be your wife. No matter how much you care for her, if she doesn't reciprocate, the relationship has little meaning. God wants us to choose Him.

Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
rolylane6 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 04:21 PM   #28
breadman
Ten Point
 
breadman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: huntsville texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLASH_OUTDOORS View Post
Johnny, let’s say you were an engineer. You spent alot of time creating bows. You were looking to build the perfect bow. Finally you created it. By the time you had created it, you knew every bolt and every hole. You know the exact fiberglass count in the limbs. Would you just hang the bow up on a shelf and look at it? Or would you put it to use and let it prove itself?

You will never fully understand or find the answers you seek.

One thing people forget is, in the beginning god created Adam and Eve. He also put the snake there. He put the snake there to test them. Kinda like putting a bow you made thru a “dry fire” test to make sure it’s durable.

We are put on this earth to prove we are worthy.

Yes he created us
Yes he tests us
Yes we pass or fail.

We will never totally understand, we aren’t meant to. Hold tight, stay the course and focus on Jesus. When you stumble and fall get back up again.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
well put !!
breadman is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 04:37 PM   #29
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

My term “theologian” was purposeful. The Bible says you ain’t gotta be too smart to get it.

Good stuff here folk !

I don’t subscribe to the “dry fire” theory since God is perfect and I don’t even think he would “test” His work. Good one though.

I do subscribe to Mysteries and that I cannot comprehend God’s “Box”.

Last edited by Johnny44; 05-11-2021 at 04:40 PM.
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 04:46 PM   #30
4Christ
Spike
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Highland Village, TX
Hunt In: De Queen, AR
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MadHatter View Post
God uses a lot of absolutes when talking about who goes to heaven.
Just because you were aborted, died as a child, etc.. doesn't mean you get a free ride imo.
He does, IE all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. However, I do believe common grace is extended to the unborn, children under a certain age (depends on the child), and the mentally handicapped.

The Bible, like most things in life has to be put in context. Given the above passage, one could argue against my thoughts on the unborn and children. However, it is my belief, bringing the entirety of the Bible in context and God's nature, (as my limited understanding) that my friends who've had miscarriages, will get to see their kids in heaven. Ironically, those particular friends somewhat disagree with me on that, but that just breeds healthy discussion.
4Christ is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 04:51 PM   #31
rolylane6
Eight Point
 
rolylane6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Wise county
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
My term “theologian” was purposeful. The Bible says you ain’t gotta be too smart to get it.
This is certainly good news for me!


Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
rolylane6 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:09 PM   #32
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rolylane6 View Post
This is certainly good news for me!


Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
Good, because more often than not the folk thinking they are more educated (theologians) stay away from discussions such as this because they feel “enlightened”.

I like discussions that are on the subject of common questions those “seeking” do ask.
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:14 PM   #33
Pushbutton2
Pope & Young
 
Pushbutton2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Van,TX
Hunt In: Mc Culloch County since 2015 Van Zandt County since 2017
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
Why would God create a spiritual being who’s whole Eternity (thats like forever) is based on his/her short term on earth ?
I'm no Theologian.
To succinctly answer your question.
HE choose to create us.
Why?
HE choose to

The Bible opens with these words
Genesis 1:1 NASBS
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
https://tbibl.es/1G4f

It's all about choice, has been and always will be
Pushbutton2 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:16 PM   #34
FLASH_OUTDOORS
Pope & Young
 
FLASH_OUTDOORS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: Davy Crockett National Forest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
My term “theologian” was purposeful. The Bible says you ain’t gotta be too smart to get it.

Good stuff here folk !

I don’t subscribe to the “dry fire” theory since God is perfect and I don’t even think he would “test” His work. Good one though.

I do subscribe to Mysteries and that I cannot comprehend God’s “Box”.


“Dryfire” may have been the wrong usage. Dry fire testing would imply that he was testing himself and his ability to create perfectionThat’s not what I’m trying to get at.

I’m trying to say he tests “us” the creation. It’s very clear we will either pass or fail.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
FLASH_OUTDOORS is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:16 PM   #35
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

God’s choice or Man, whats the subject? I believe in Man’s free will but I also believe the other theory could be correct.
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:18 PM   #36
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLASH_OUTDOORS View Post
“Dryfire” may have been the wrong usage. Dry fire testing would imply that he was testing himself and his ability to create perfectionThat’s not what I’m trying to get at.

I’m trying to say he tests “us” the creation. It’s very clear we will either pass or fail.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
There is also scripture that supports if we “fail” God will “Prop us up”.
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:20 PM   #37
FLASH_OUTDOORS
Pope & Young
 
FLASH_OUTDOORS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: Davy Crockett National Forest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
There is also scripture that supports if we “fail” God will “Prop us up”.


Yes, we won’t pass every single test. Only Jesus did that. The goal is to try our best.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
FLASH_OUTDOORS is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:21 PM   #38
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

I agree
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:21 PM   #39
awry
Ten Point
 
awry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Split_Brow View Post
God is omnipotent, all knowing, and states that Christ was formed before the foundation of the world.
Agree and add all powerful.

IMO God can do anything but sin. He does not want nor desire our understanding or approval. There are many items/happenings in the Bible that make no sense to me. One being in King David’s census in 2 Samuel 24. God is angry with Israel, so God incites David to count the people. This is a sin and David’s punishment is to choose one of three calamities to befall on Israel. Why put did God incite David and put this burden on David vs just simply strike down Israel?

There's also the example of Job.

God simply desires obedience and faith which are not necessary the same thing. IMO those facilitate actions like praying, reading bible, etc. I’ll admit obedience and faith are hard at times. Thankful for his grace and mercy.
awry is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:28 PM   #40
FLASH_OUTDOORS
Pope & Young
 
FLASH_OUTDOORS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: Davy Crockett National Forest
Default

My entire goal is to live my life to the point that when I die and see Jesus eye to eye, I want him to put his hand on my should and say “dang son, that was hard to watch! You’re safe and sound now! You took a hit and kept on tickin’. Great job.”


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
FLASH_OUTDOORS is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:32 PM   #41
Death from Above
Pope & Young
 
Death from Above's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Henderson, Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLASH_OUTDOORS View Post
Yes, we won’t pass every single test. Only Jesus did that. The goal is to try our best.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Also important to note that not every test is of God even though Rm 8:28 applies

Some things are caused by our own sin

Some things are caused by others sin and we have to deal with it

Some things are because we have to deal with the issues if a broken world

And sometimes God tests us (but never tempts us to sin)


Looking back, I know the majority of my hardships were caused by my own rebellion and sin. Thankful for grace!
Death from Above is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:36 PM   #42
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

I try to do good, love God, Love my neighbors as myself (not easy) and the more I utilize the Lord’s money back guarantee in John 7:17, the more I get it. It think it all brings a Peace & Joy in the midst of this world.
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:40 PM   #43
DRT
Pope & Young
 
DRT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Fort Worth, Tx
Hunt In: Jones County and Missouri
Default

If it was easy Johnny we wouldn't need His grace.

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
DRT is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:46 PM   #44
EarleyBird
Ten Point
 
EarleyBird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Leon County
Hunt In: Home
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLASH_OUTDOORS View Post
My entire goal is to live my life to the point that when I die and see Jesus eye to eye, I want him to put his hand on my should and say “dang son, that was hard to watch! You’re safe and sound now! You took a hit and kept on tickin’. Great job.”


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Good grief, THIS!
EarleyBird is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 05:53 PM   #45
kerrbow
Ten Point
 
kerrbow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Kerrville Texas
Hunt In: Hill Country and Kansas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny44 View Post
But God created them to disobey and KNEW they would…He is the Author of Life !
He did not create them to disobey. They CHOSE to do so, of their own FREE WILL. No person will GOD create for disobedience. GOD CREATES EACH OF US TO GLORIFY AND WORSHIP HIM.----for no other reason on earth.
kerrbow is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 06:04 PM   #46
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRT View Post
If it was easy Johnny we wouldn't need His grace.

Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk
If it were (possible) we wouldn’t need His Grace because nobody goes to the Father cept through Jesus.

Last edited by Johnny44; 05-11-2021 at 06:07 PM.
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 06:05 PM   #47
Johnny44
Ten Point
 
Johnny44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kerrbow View Post
He did not create them to disobey. They CHOSE to do so, of their own FREE WILL. No person will GOD create for disobedience. GOD CREATES EACH OF US TO GLORIFY AND WORSHIP HIM.----for no other reason on earth.
I agree but if he is Author of life he already knew what the so called “choice” would be?
Johnny44 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 06:08 PM   #48
camoclad
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: fort worth
Hunt In: central tx
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rolylane6 View Post
This is certainly good news for me!


Sent from my SM-N970U using Tapatalk
Like a lil child am I, lol
camoclad is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 06:08 PM   #49
IowaHunter
Pope & Young
 
IowaHunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Harris County
Hunt In: IA + MA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLASH_OUTDOORS View Post
My entire goal is to live my life to the point that when I die and see Jesus eye to eye, I want him to put his hand on my should and say “dang son, that was hard to watch! You’re safe and sound now! You took a hit and kept on tickin’. Great job.”


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Keep the track you’re on now and that’s exactly what you’ll hear. Along with I love you son.
IowaHunter is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 05-11-2021, 06:49 PM   #50
FLASH_OUTDOORS
Pope & Young
 
FLASH_OUTDOORS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: Davy Crockett National Forest
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaHunter View Post
Keep the track you’re on now and that’s exactly what you’ll hear. Along with I love you son.


Thank you sir!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
FLASH_OUTDOORS is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com