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Old 02-18-2021, 09:05 PM   #1
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We knew he didnít build it per code but didnít make a big stink about it. Building is only 2 years old...

He tried to make beams out of 25ft long receiver channel and didnít weld them together. Just ran a few screws in them. They buckled and down she came. Just glad our curing oven held it up or weíd be having some funerals. Sounded like a bomb when it collapsed on us.







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Old 02-18-2021, 09:10 PM   #2
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you get what you pay for. Not trying to be mean. I built my barndo on the cheap, but I paid for money for good oversight.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:10 PM   #3
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That steelman oven ainít cheap!
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Is strange that the "rafters" failed and the purlins that aren't welded to the rafters are still lined up with the rafters.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:12 PM   #6
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Dang horrible.

I guess that is why I am willing to pay more for getting things built per Code.

Best of luck - hopefully it will all get covered by insurance.

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Old 02-18-2021, 09:14 PM   #8
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you get what you pay for. Not trying to be mean. I built my barndo on the cheap, but I paid for money for good oversight.

We paid full price.....


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Old 02-18-2021, 09:15 PM   #9
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That steelman oven ainít cheap!

All the gas valves and controls are ripped out of it...


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Old 02-18-2021, 09:22 PM   #10
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Can you say “lawsuit “?
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:23 PM   #11
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I’m not trying to be rude, but why would any GC not build anything to code no matter where it’s located knowing they are likely going to have to pay to fix it should an issue arise?
I have had tons of requests to do things cheaper by not meeting codes on projects outside of town. I respectfully decline.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:36 PM   #12
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He used the wrong material but I bet you didn’t ask him to design for a snow load.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:37 PM   #13
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Again, I am not trying to be mean, but there is some real shanky engineering in your building. Paying full price, does not mean you get the engineering value, that you want.

I hope your builder will hold up his end.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:46 PM   #14
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Ouch! That’s rough...
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:53 PM   #15
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How many feet did he span with those c purlin rafters, 25í? And are they 8Ē?

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Old 02-18-2021, 09:57 PM   #16
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Duct tape and some baling wire (get the thicker stuff) and you'll be good to go!

Glad everyone is OK.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:59 PM   #17
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How many feet did he span with those c purlin rafters, 25í? And are they 8Ē?
Those are just U shaped not the bent Cís.
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Old 02-18-2021, 09:59 PM   #18
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What was used for columns is suspect too...

No way in hades that engineering can be backed up by a metal building material supply house.

If that builder has insurance, yours will file on it...that’s a dang nightmare.

Snow load and drift don’t effect metal like wood...what a mess

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We knew he didnít build it per code but didnít make a big stink about it. Building is only 2 years old...

He tried to make beams out of 25ft long receiver channel and didnít weld them together. Just ran a few screws in them. They buckled and down she came. Just glad our curing oven held it up or weíd be having some funerals. Sounded like a bomb when it collapsed on us.

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Some questions need to be answered. You stated you were aware that it wasnít built to code yet someone signed off on it.Was the building bid/sold with an understanding that it was engineered? Pretty easy to see that itís not built with a stamp on the print.

Not a structural engineer but I know enough to know that a receiver channel is not a structural WF beam made to hold that much weight with a span like that. Same can be said with the little square tubing columns.
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Old 02-18-2021, 11:37 PM   #20
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I... on an online public forum. Would erase "We knew he didn't build to code......"
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Old 02-18-2021, 11:41 PM   #21
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I... on an online public forum. Would erase "We knew he didn't build to code......"
Yup. Lol

I would say if I were an insurance company I wouldnít pay a claim on that, but it probably shouldíve never been approved for coverage in the first place. I guess the average agent doesnít know what theyíre looking at though.


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Old 02-19-2021, 12:03 AM   #22
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Exactly what I was gonna type lmao. Sorry OP, you are fighting an uphill battle
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Old 02-19-2021, 05:54 AM   #23
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I'm local, who built it?
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Old 02-19-2021, 06:19 AM   #24
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Man anyone else want to dogpile this poor guy? I swear some of you guys are just looking for an opportunity to out @$$hole each other.
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Old 02-19-2021, 06:30 AM   #25
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So glad no one was hurt brother. All anyone needs today is another problem.
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Old 02-19-2021, 06:58 AM   #26
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Man anyone else want to dogpile this poor guy? I swear some of you guys are just looking for an opportunity to out @$$hole each other.
I do not see anyone dog piling the guy. I see lots of people trying to tell him the truth so he will be prepared for what will be coming next. Sometimes the truth hurts but it still needs to be said.

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Old 02-19-2021, 07:01 AM   #27
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Good luck- just be glad no injuries or worse. Materials can always be replaced
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Man anyone else want to dogpile this poor guy? I swear some of you guys are just looking for an opportunity to out @$$hole each other.
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Deleted. As long as I know it was funny it is. :-)

Good luck on getting everything rebuilt. Glad nobody was killed.
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Man anyone else want to dogpile this poor guy? I swear some of you guys are just looking for an opportunity to out @$$hole each other.
He paid in full for subpar work. My guess is he went with the guy who was 30% cheaper and unfortunately probably doesn't have insurance. He unfortunately will have little recourse from everything he told us. Thus you get what you pay for. I have sadly seen so much corner cutting on this site in regards to construction I'd be willing to bet the OP is not the only one in this boat.
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Old 02-19-2021, 08:49 AM   #31
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Yup. Lol

I would say if I were an insurance company I wouldnít pay a claim on that, but it probably shouldíve never been approved for coverage in the first place. I guess the average agent doesnít know what theyíre looking at though.


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I may not have worded that correctly. We didnít know it before we moved in. There were things we noticed over the last few months. Sorta like finding things your home builder did wrong well after the fact and then trying to get him back out to check/correct.

We arenít steel building engineers and I just looked at the span tables day before yesterday when I saw the failure mode. The funny thing is the failure didnít have anything to do with the issues we raised.


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Old 02-19-2021, 08:57 AM   #32
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He paid in full for subpar work. My guess is he went with the guy who was 30% cheaper and unfortunately probably doesn't have insurance. He unfortunately will have little recourse from everything he told us. Thus you get what you pay for. I have sadly seen so much corner cutting on this site in regards to construction I'd be willing to bet the OP is not the only one in this boat.

This isnít a small fly by night company and we didnít go with the cheapest bid. We didnít even shop it around. We went with who was recommended based on people we trusted and seeing their other other work in the area.

Iím not going to say the name of the GC unless he doesnít make it right.


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Old 02-19-2021, 08:59 AM   #33
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If your insurance company signed off on it, they will pay. Did they inspect it before they covered it? I hope you are prepared to pony up some cash to get it fixed with engineering recommendations because the insurance probably won't cover all of what it will cost you to fix it.
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First thing I saw. I would delete this thread ASAP.

And if he didn't build to code, I would be shocked if he had insurance. Good luck OP.
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:16 AM   #36
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I hope you are personal friends with your insurance agent. Good luck
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Is strange that the "rafters" failed and the purlins that aren't welded to the rafters are still lined up with the rafters.
exactly! wow
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:31 AM   #39
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Was it 6inch or 8 inch ?


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Old 02-19-2021, 09:36 AM   #40
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What was the load the roof was built for and what was the actual load on it when it failed?
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:37 AM   #41
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Judging from a wall in one pic I'd guess a 3 or 4.
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This isn’t a small fly by night company and we didn’t go with the cheapest bid. We didn’t even shop it around. We went with who was recommended
I dont really understand, either you hired the guys or you didn't.
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Old 02-19-2021, 09:53 AM   #43
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How much snow was on the ground?


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I wouldn't have posted this and contacted insurance company hope for the best.

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I may not have worded that correctly. We didnít know it before we moved in. There were things we noticed over the last few months. Sorta like finding things your home builder did wrong well after the fact and then trying to get him back out to check/correct.

We arenít steel building engineers and I just looked at the span tables day before yesterday when I saw the failure mode. The funny thing is the failure didnít have anything to do with the issues we raised.


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I wish you the best on it with insurance and am so glad no one was hurt in the collapse. Good luck!

But seriously, I would consider emailing a mod and get this whole thread deleted if possible. Maybe it will all go smoothly but if it doesnít and lawyers get involved you donít want anything out there that doesnt need to be said.


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Old 02-19-2021, 10:03 AM   #46
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Your insurance will cover this and likely the contractors will not be involved. Iíve seen way worse construction and insurance never batted an eye. They covered it as is. Itís to late for the insurance company to go backwards.


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This isnít a small fly by night company and we didnít go with the cheapest bid. We didnít even shop it around. We went with who was recommended based on people we trusted and seeing their other other work in the area.

Iím not going to say the name of the GC unless he doesnít make it right.


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I had the same thought as some of these other guys when I first read your OP yesterday. But, it sounds like you should have documented proof that you have been pointing out the issues and have requested he repair the ones you were aware of that needed to be corrected.

It sounds like your company contracted this building, were the designs reviewed and stamped by a PE and the GC just not build to those drawings? Or did they provide a ďstandardĒ set of drawings and they just worked off of those?
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They have all kinds of loop holes and small print in every policy. They will get out of anything and everything that they can
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Old 02-19-2021, 02:51 PM   #50
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I had the same thought as some of these other guys when I first read your OP yesterday. But, it sounds like you should have documented proof that you have been pointing out the issues and have requested he repair the ones you were aware of that needed to be corrected.

It sounds like your company contracted this building, were the designs reviewed and stamped by a PE and the GC just not build to those drawings? Or did they provide a ďstandardĒ set of drawings and they just worked off of those?

This is an $800k 14,000sf facility we had an architect design and was built in town. It was all approved and stamped by a PE and he is a major GC in this area. There was 6Ē of snow on it. Yes we have documentation of the issues we have raised in the past.

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