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Originally posted by MadHatter View PostThrust only works because the wheels roll, moving the plane forward through the atmosphere, creating wind under the wings, causing lift.
Does it matter how much thrust a jet engine puts out, if the plane never moves forward?
If the conveyor constantly matches the plane wheels, how will the plane ever move forward?
It won't.
The harder the jet pushes, the faster the conveyor goes backwards, and the wheels never roll an inch forward, therefore the plane doesn't move an inch forward.
Thrust has to roll the plane forward through the atmosphere in order to create lift, so if the plane cannot roll forward on it's wheels, how are you creating this magical lift you speak of?
Can we set the plane on it's belly and still take off if we had a way to steer it?
At what amount of thrust, with a plane sitting still, can we just yank the landing gear out from underneath it, and expect it to take off?
Your forgetting gravity has not been overcome yet, and friction from it is still in play.
Now once the jet has taken off, that's a different story, different comparison, we have overcome gravity.
Can a jet that flys 500mph, move forward in a 500mph head wind?
That's apple to apples.
FFS
The myth busters setup is a joke, besides, props to jets is a different comparison all together.
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Originally posted by MadHatter View PostThrust only works because the wheels roll, moving the plane forward through the atmosphere, creating wind under the wings, causing lift.
Does it matter how much thrust a jet engine puts out, if the plane never moves forward?
If the conveyor constantly matches the plane wheels, how will the plane ever move forward?
It won't.
The harder the jet pushes, the faster the conveyor goes backwards, and the wheels never roll an inch forward, therefore the plane doesn't move an inch forward.
Thrust has to roll the plane forward through the atmosphere in order to create lift, so if the plane cannot roll forward on it's wheels, how are you creating this magical lift you speak of?
Can we set the plane on it's belly and still take off if we had a way to steer it?
At what amount of thrust, with a plane sitting still, can we just yank the landing gear out from underneath it, and expect it to take off?
Your forgetting gravity has not been overcome yet, and friction from it is still in play.
Now once the jet has taken off, that's a different story, different comparison, we have overcome gravity.
Can a jet that flys 500mph, move forward in a 500mph head wind?
That's apple to apples.
FFS
The myth busters setup is a joke, besides, props to jets is a different comparison all together.
How's that?
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Wind has to be passing over the wings to create lift…
The only way a plane lifts is if it’s going fast enough for the wind speed over the wings to create enough lift to overcome the weight of the plane. . Stall speed!
Think of it like a kite with no wind, except a kite is stationary so it needs wind to lift it, a plane creates its own air speed (wind) through thrust.
Mad hatter is dead on about the 500mph head wind
If the conveyor can keep up, it would have to spin so fast that the tires are creating enough friction and counter force to keep the plane in the same spot… unlikely..
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Originally posted by flywise View Post
Not quite the same with the bird being pulled vs being on a stationary belt.
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