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Old 09-24-2019, 09:11 PM   #351
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Laramie is a town in Wyoming. LAMMIE is the name of the PH......just sayin
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:28 PM   #352
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Guys just to clarify, Lammie was in SA for a couple days when we were there. From my understanding he was about an hour away on a different property, not once did he stop by and check in on us or see how we were doing. Not a call, not a text... not that I could have received it anyways because he lied about the WIFI, but still. If I had Clients fly 1/2 way around the world and I was just an hour away you best believe I would make an appearance in camp to see how everything was going. I knew Lammie couldn’t and wouldn’t be able to fix the situation, had I brought it up in SA he would have handled it the exact same way he did when I got back to the states. All it would have done is ruin our trip and make things awkward for the PH. Believe me, I thought about it long and hard and decided to wait to communicate my feelings. Right? Wrong? That’s a matter of opinion I guess and everyone is entitled to their own, but I can tell you this, If everything was on the up and up with the trip I would have never been put into this situation. As far as the money I refuse to bargain with myself. The only price that is acceptable is the price we originally agreed upon in the states. The more time I have to look back and reflect on it the more obvious it becomes.
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:49 PM   #353
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Guys just to clarify, Lammie was in SA for a couple days when we were there. From my understanding he was about an hour away on a different property, not once did he stop by and check in on us or see how we were doing. Not a call, not a text... not that I could have received it anyways because he lied about the WIFI, but still. If I had Clients fly 1/2 way around the world and I was just an hour away you best believe I would make an appearance in camp to see how everything was going. I knew Lammie couldn’t and wouldn’t be able to fix the situation, had I brought it up in SA he would have handled it the exact same way he did when I got back to the states. All it would have done is ruin our trip and make things awkward for the PH. Believe me, I thought about it long and hard and decided to wait to communicate my feelings. Right? Wrong? That’s a matter of opinion I guess and everyone is entitled to their own, but I can tell you this, If everything was on the up and up with the trip I would have never been put into this situation. As far as the money I refuse to bargain with myself. The only price that is acceptable is the price we originally agreed upon in the states. The more time I have to look back and reflect on it the more obvious it becomes.
I misread along the way then. I thought I read he was with yall for a few days. That changes my viewpoint completely as far as dealing with it over in SA. If you never saw him you never had a chance to discuss it then. My apologies on that misunderstanding.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:00 PM   #354
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I misread along the way then. I thought I read he was with yall for a few days. That changes my viewpoint completely as far as dealing with it over in SA. If you never saw him you never had a chance to discuss it then. My apologies on that misunderstanding.
One of the hunters in our group saw him one day as he hunted a different ranch than the rest of us did, I however had no contact with him
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:10 AM   #355
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Did you ever get this resolved?


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Old 10-15-2019, 11:58 AM   #356
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In for the verdict
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:01 PM   #357
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Man stories like this make me cringe! I took my daughter to s/a last summer for her high school graduation. I chose to go with a family run hunting operation, it was a little more expensive than some advertised prices. We had the time of our life and a trip we will never forget. Hope you get it sorted out, and thanks for posting for all of us to learn from.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:41 PM   #358
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What if the meal had a (money back guarantee)?

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OP, sorry about this situation. You have been much more understanding than most would have been. Hope it all gets worked out soon.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:47 PM   #359
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OP, sorry about this situation. You have been much more understanding than most would have been. Hope it all gets worked out soon.
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:03 PM   #360
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I would write a check for the amount agreed upon (since owed), contact an attorney and sue him for the full amount. Take the offense
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Old 10-15-2019, 02:38 PM   #361
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I would write a check for the amount agreed upon (since owed), contact an attorney and sue him for the full amount. Take the offense
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:50 PM   #362
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:06 PM   #363
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Initiate legal proceedings. You have a strong case, and he is likely bluffing to intimidate and coerce you. He needs to be sued
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Old 10-18-2019, 12:58 PM   #364
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Also wondering myself if this was resolved????


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Old 10-25-2019, 11:24 AM   #365
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My closest friend is a PH in Africa and we Safari over there ever year. Africa is an unbelievable place but you have to be very, very careful who you go with. Ripping off American hunters is an art form over there and I see it every year. Also, you can get in a precarious situation (whether from animals, people, etc) quickly over there and need dependable people you can trust. Having said all that, Africa is the greatest place I have ever been and provided some of my most cherished memories. By the way, i have taken my entire family over there on multiple occasions, so it can be done safely.
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Old 10-25-2019, 10:07 PM   #366
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Lemmie tell you this , that guy is worthless.
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Old 10-25-2019, 11:16 PM   #367
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Just found this, read the whole thread, grumpy that there’s no conclusion yet
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Old 11-21-2019, 11:17 PM   #368
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Was curious to see how this ended.
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Old 11-21-2019, 11:35 PM   #369
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Was curious to see how this ended.
I was hoping it had been deleted.. The entire thing is silly.
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Old 11-21-2019, 11:51 PM   #370
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I’d pay him what was I agreed on and not a penny more. Let him take you to court if it doesn’t sit well with him. If he refuses to give you your animals don’t pay a dime and take him to court. This guy sounds like a straight up scam artist.
This... Hope you have paperwork with signatures
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Old 11-22-2019, 12:22 AM   #371
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The accommodations didn't look the best but it beats the hell out of a tent, and let's face it, $2k a person to hunt is dirt cheap. Why does the OP think he should only have to pay half price for the 2 wounded animals???
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Old 11-22-2019, 01:40 AM   #372
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I'm not sure if I missed it, the money issues are over the culls and wounded animals? I get the crappy accommodations and that needs to be addressed. But laying hate to a bunch of animals and saying you're not paying is kinda rough also.

It sounds like there were some issues on both sides. That said if I had hunters in and they shot 22 animals then said he arent paying, I probably would be a little heated on my responses.
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Old 11-22-2019, 01:59 AM   #373
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Moral of the story- “there’s good guys and then there’s liars!” Verdict is in...scammie lammie lied he’s guilty, guilty, guilty!

For all those that say pay what you owe. A guy can write a check all day long but will it be cashed or discarded or even accepted. What are the odds this man is going to settle on what he gets. I work with clients that will spend $10k in legal fees to go after $2k. Of which some are crooks and never like to lose. Things get lost all the time even packages that are signed for...just ask a certain optics company I sent a scope back to (got that taken care of).
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Old 11-22-2019, 09:31 AM   #374
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Thread title is misleading, glad your not dead!
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Old 11-22-2019, 11:05 AM   #375
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You got screwed plain and simple. I'm not a lawyer but I have done 9 safaris in 5 countries so I have a bit of experience with it.

I would play hard ball with him and not pay him another dime. He lives in Texas, the contract was signed in Texas, I would turn an attorney lose on him to get every dime possible. If he is still listing his Zululand prop with the prices he quoted you on his website then he is vulnerable
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Old 11-24-2019, 10:42 PM   #376
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Little update guys, I have spoken and taken action with my attorney and the ball is rolling, I cannot say too much as Lammie is a TBH member. Just know that it is coming. I’m sure it will cost me the price of the Safari times 5 to get this settled on paper and I’m sure I will never see a dime or any of my animals. I struggle with seeking a monetary judgment as Lammie has a wife and a couple young kids at home that I don’t want affected by the collateral damage this case will cause.... that being said I gave him every opportunity and the man simply left me no other option. On the plus side I’m headed back to the dark continent in 2021 after I get my 2020 NZ stag hunt wrapped up!
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Old 11-25-2019, 06:08 AM   #377
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Little update guys, I have spoken and taken action with my attorney and the ball is rolling, I cannot say too much as Lammie is a TBH member. Just know that it is coming. I’m sure it will cost me the price of the Safari times 5 to get this settled on paper and I’m sure I will never see a dime or any of my animals. I struggle with seeking a monetary judgment as Lammie has a wife and a couple young kids at home that I don’t want affected by the collateral damage this case will cause.... that being said I gave him every opportunity and the man simply left me no other option. On the plus side I’m headed back to the dark continent in 2021 after I get my 2020 NZ stag hunt wrapped up!
So it's going to cost you the "Safari times 5", you struggle to seek a monetary judgment AND you are sure you will never see a dime or your trophies but you proceeded with the litigation??? Hmm.. Interesting.. So what exactly is the end goal??

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Old 11-25-2019, 06:31 AM   #378
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So it's going to cost you the "Safari times 5", you struggle to seek a monetary judgment AND you are sure you will never see a dime or your trophies but you proceeded with the litigation??? Hmm.. Interesting.. So what exactly is the end goal??
It’s the principle.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:07 AM   #379
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What are you suing him for? Don't you owe him money? So are you suing so you don't have to pay him?
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Old 11-25-2019, 09:01 AM   #380
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What are you suing him for? Don't you owe him money? So are you suing so you don't have to pay him?
All the other misc expenses he incurred to go on this hunt and not receive any of the animals he killed to which those expenses were intended for?

OP good for you on pursuing this. Hopefully this guy will learn it's easier to run an honest operation.

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Old 11-25-2019, 09:25 AM   #381
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So it's going to cost you the "Safari times 5", you struggle to seek a monetary judgment AND you are sure you will never see a dime or your trophies but you proceeded with the litigation??? Hmm.. Interesting.. So what exactly is the end goal??
The principle of the matter? And perhaps keeping it from happening to anybody else
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Old 11-25-2019, 09:32 AM   #382
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What are you suing him for? Don't you owe him money? So are you suing so you don't have to pay him?
He didn't get the product that he was sold.
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