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Old 12-14-2019, 10:41 AM   #1
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Currently have a mid 2000 Canon Digital Rebel XT 8mp camera. With a recent addition to the family Iíve been motivated to look into new cameras and trying to decide what features I canít live without.

Iíve got a 55-300mm EF-s and the 18-55mm Ef-sthe camera came with.

Where Iím struggling is if I will appreciate some of the features of the higher end cameras.

Basically looking between the 5ti or 7ti, the 80D, or jumping into the world of full frame and then the 6D Mark II.

The first two options at least I have a couple lenses to get started. If I go to the 6D that means all new lenses and they arenít cheap. Iím not looking to make money with the camera, just want professional looking pictures, and the option to shoot video as little man starts hitting milestones.

The 80D and 6D are attractive with built in HDR options for Bracketing where I donít believe the Ti models offer. Not planning to do a bunch of online editing.

There is a very good chance it would be the last camera I buy for a long while so Iíd want to make sure I get the best I will appreciate.
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Old 12-14-2019, 04:12 PM   #2
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If I was buying a new body and didn't want to get into EF lenses, I would take a hard look at the Canon 90D. Great photo specs, 4k video, and you can use your existing lenses. If you ever wanted to get better glass, you could by L series EF lenses and run them on the 90D. Unless you're planning on a lot of landscape or close up-wide angle shots, I wouldn't bother with the full frame body.

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Old 12-14-2019, 05:31 PM   #3
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in for this as well. looking at the canon mark 5D VI. Its between a new camera and a new APR rifle at this time.
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Old 12-14-2019, 06:07 PM   #4
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My $.02 (for what its worth) would be to buy a slightly lesser body and upgrade your glass. The 80D would be a massive upgrade from what you have currently, and does just about everything most people want in a camera. The 90D is just one step better than that. Going full frame is always a good option, but again, the glass is what matters there even more.
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in for this as well. looking at the canon mark 5D VI. Its between a new camera and a new APR rifle at this time.
The 5D IV is a BEAST.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:43 PM   #6
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Would better lenses have a significant impact on my current camera or is the processor too far behind to appreciate?

How bad would the entry level efs lenses hold the 80D back?
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:53 PM   #7
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Would better lenses have a significant impact on my current camera or is the processor too far behind to appreciate?

How bad would the entry level efs lenses hold the 80D back?
Not at all, and you already have them so itís not like youíre spending more money on them. I shoot my stills on an 80D with L glass and couldnít be happier for my line of work. If you donít need/want 4K video, I would snag an 80D lightly used for $700 and start snapping pics. When youíve shot enough to understand what you donít like about your current photos, then start looking at quality glass that will solve those issues.
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Old 12-14-2019, 11:03 PM   #8
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80Ds are awesome cameras, the floppy screen is an awesome touch and they take great video. Earlier Solo Huntr episodes were filmed on an 80D if that gives you an idea of the video capabilities.

If budget is a concern a used 5d Mk2 or Mk3 will get you into the full frame world with what was a top of the line camera a few years ago for a killer price.

HDR is kind of an outdated technique nowadays, it had its heyday a few years back but people were using it horribly.

To get the most out of any camera you are going to want to shoot RAW format an edit in lightroom or a similar program, it would honestly be a complete waste to get an awesome camera and shoot nothing but JPEG.

Either you decide how you want your photos edited in post or you let the camera decide how they are edited with it's stupid little peabrain, either way theres no such thing as not editing photos so might as well embrace it

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Old 12-19-2019, 01:25 AM   #9
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Not meaning to hijack the thread but along the same lines. I am looking for a new good camera. Main use will be photographing whitetails. Would like to be able to shoot some amount of distance (deer in senderos). Would also like to be able to use for action shots while duck hunting. Any recommendations on a good setup, camera and lenses?
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Old 12-19-2019, 05:24 PM   #10
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Scott, I'll be putting my 80D up for sale tonight if you're still looking
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Old 12-20-2019, 09:07 AM   #11
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Not meaning to hijack the thread but along the same lines. I am looking for a new good camera. Main use will be photographing whitetails. Would like to be able to shoot some amount of distance (deer in senderos). Would also like to be able to use for action shots while duck hunting. Any recommendations on a good setup, camera and lenses?
The 80D or similar body with an APSC sensor would work well for that. APSC sensors are smaller and the bodies are usually cheaper than full frame but they give you more "reach" out of lenses than the same lens on a full frame camera.

oneisnone is offering a good price for his 80D and lenses in the classifieds. The body alone usually runs around $700 used.

You're still gonna need to get closer that you think to get good shots with any lens though.
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Old 12-20-2019, 06:08 PM   #12
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I think Iím to the point where I should go big or go home. So trying to run down a full frame setup. The 6D MK II is probably on top but the body is still fetching $1k trying to do a bit better or find a 6D for half that.
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Old 12-20-2019, 06:31 PM   #13
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The question is what will you be shooting?

The lens is everything. You can have an elite lens that transfers to several camera bodies.

If you want fast lenses, stick with fixed focal length L glass. You want to start with the best image possible. That starts with the glass, not the camera.
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Old 12-28-2019, 10:15 AM   #14
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First priority would be portrait. Seems like to get the background blur and Bokeh I want I need the full frame sensor. I’ve been on the lookout for deals on L lenses and yes they appear to cost as much as the camera body.
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First priority would be portrait. Seems like to get the background blur and Bokeh I want I need the full frame sensor. Iíve been on the lookout for deals on L lenses and yes they appear to cost as much as the camera body.
Bokeh has nothing to do with the sensor, itís all about the DOF and focal length. You can get good bokeh with a kit lens if itís composed right. I started shooting portraits with a $200 50mm 1.4 and loved it, still my most commonly used headshot lens.
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Bokeh has nothing to do with the sensor, itís all about the DOF and focal length. You can get good bokeh with a kit lens if itís composed right. I started shooting portraits with a $200 50mm 1.4 and loved it, still my most commonly used headshot lens.


Kit lenses aren't going to give the best subject isolation but it can certainly be done.

A fast aperture and getting your subject farther away from the background is way more important for bokeh than sensor size

The Canon 50mm f1.8 is also dirt cheap, will give you a 75mm equivalent focal length (GREAT for portraits!) and will give you really nice background blur, did I mention it was dirt cheap, like $100 used cheap.
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Old 12-30-2019, 11:47 AM   #17
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But that 75mm focal length also translates into a nearly 3 f stop. While yes, blur becomes attainable it seems like it would be much more facilitated with a full sensor camera.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:59 PM   #18
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Discussing whether to apply crop factor to aperture is like discussing religion and politics for some folks... lol

Some folks say it doesn't effect DOF, some folks swear it does and both will argue to death about it.

There are certainly benefits to full frame, but there's also benefits to APS-C, my main camera is a full frame DSLR but I also really like small APSC mirrorless bodies for different reasons. I'm all for going full frame if you want it but anyone trying to tell you it will solve all your photography woes is trying to sell you something.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:35 PM   #19
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I bought a Rebel T3I as it was supposed to be a cheaper alternative to jumping into the 6D Mark II, while it blows away my XTI away in every way it’s made me want to throw down on better lens and even more camera. So it’s for sale...
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Look at the Nikon 1000 it's a beast
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:43 PM   #21
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Next step in this Journey landed me in a Canon 7Ti with a well rounded lens setup. As best I can tell this camera as far as imaging is concerned is no different than the 80D and 7D MK II, now build quality, camera controls and shutter speed may lack slightly otherwise it’s a heck of a setup for a reasonable price. Haven’t played with video yet.

Features, options, and light processing blow the T3i away. Also, the Canon App and WiFi option sure is nice to save pictures to my phone. Not real big on pulling the computer out to transfer pictures.

Also getting to experience what the following of the L series canon lenses are all about have the 24-105mm f/4 and it’s a bad dude. Feel a little guilty hooking it up to the plastic camera body but it’s quick, clear, and built like a tank.

Also got a 50mm 1.8, different experience when you have to move yourself to capture the picture you are after. The 50mm on the crop sensor is a bit much and can see how on full frame it would be the perfect portrait setup.


Might actually hold on to this setup more than a week. Time will tell.
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