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Old 03-29-2021, 07:59 AM   #1
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Question Why you donít own an AR 15

I donít own an AR 15 but Iím considering purchasing one. I donít ever see me leaving the state to hunt large game or big game. I definitely canít see shooting hill country deer with large caliber rifles.
So, realizing most folks that had AR,s have lost them in boating accidents, stolen outta their vehicles, four wheeler fires etc etc, why donít you own an AR? Is it a or the wrong caliber for white tail or an all around bad fit for everything even before the political climate change?
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:02 AM   #2
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I had one DPMS in .223.

Imo it wasn’t enough gun for deer hunting. I prefer bolt action rifles. You only need one good shot to kill a deer. I only used my AR once to hog hunt. Other than that, it was just used for plinking cans and targets. Sold mine about a month ago to another TBH’er. It was just a safe Queen for me.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:03 AM   #3
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They are just fun.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:09 AM   #4
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They look fun, son in law has one, shoots a lot of ammo thru it. I don't have one, and don't really want one. I don't really have a reason, just personal preference i guess.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:11 AM   #5
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I've got one in grendel and it's a deer killing machine.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:12 AM   #6
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I agree. Some of the set ups I’ve seen here are very cool. AC, plinking today would get expensive as well.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:12 AM   #7
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After toting an M 16 around for 3 years I hope to never own another plastic gun.

That goes for rifle, pistol, or shotgun.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:14 AM   #8
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I've got one in grendel and it's a deer killing machine.
No doubt. But does it completely obliterate the opposite shoulder?
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:16 AM   #9
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I am very confused by your post.

If you don't shoot deer with a large caliber rifle, what do you shoot them with?

What does that have to do with an AR?

Most people who have AR's have been stolen or lost theirs?
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I think they are cool and enjoy seeing the lengths people go to build them out but I just don't have any use for one. I don't shoot the few rifles I have that much.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:18 AM   #11
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Its a great all around caliber. I sure wish I had one.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:18 AM   #12
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Fun and I’m a gun person. I have guns for many reasons. Some for fun some for hunting some for staying alive and keeping family alive.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:19 AM   #13
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Your forgetting that the AR platform can come in many calibers. Not just 556/223 so you can build/buy for what you plan on hunting. Myself I use my 6.5 grendal all the time. Works great and anything Ive hunted.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:20 AM   #14
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After toting an M 16 around for 3 years I hope to never own another plastic gun.

That goes for rifle, pistol, or shotgun.
Packed one myself for four years in the M C!
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:20 AM   #15
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I have a .458 socom because all my mags only hold 9rds.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:24 AM   #16
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I think they are cool and enjoy seeing the lengths people go to build them out but I just don't have any use for one. I don't shoot the few rifles I have that much.
This to. Iím at the age that Iím downsizing. We have a special needs son and doesnít care for shooting deer but loves to go hunting, sleep in a hotel, eat out, and sit in a deer blind. Itís all about him for as long as I can keep going.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:26 AM   #17
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Get a 300 blackout. I hunt in the hill country and have no problem taking down whitetail. I shot a axis in the neck with a 300 blackout and it dropped it.


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Old 03-29-2021, 08:38 AM   #18
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Get a 300 blackout. I hunt in the hill country and have no problem taking down whitetail. I shot a axis in the neck with a 300 blackout and it dropped it.


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I get that brother. But Im not steady enough to shoot a deer in the neck. Always been a behind the shoulder guy. Does a 300 blow the deer up?
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:41 AM   #19
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Not in my experience. A good bullet behind the shoulder puts them down fast.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:42 AM   #20
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ARs are fun to shoot, .223 will kill deer just fine with the right bullet at reasonable range. 300 BO is ok, 6.5 Grendel a better choice IMO if you don't want to suppress. I prefer the ergonomics of bolt guns for hunting but that's just me. I had other evil guns before the boating accident so never had much use for an AR, no reason not to get one if you want one though.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:42 AM   #21
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No doubt. But does it completely obliterate the opposite shoulder?
Behind the shoulder puts them down fast.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:43 AM   #22
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It only takes one shot, and I prefer a nice bolt action or single shot. I don't like wasting ammo or plink'n. I've messed around with a few, just not very practical for me.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:45 AM   #23
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Sold mine , I didn’t use it much, 1, it was loud, 2. Got better truck guns, 3. Wasn’t very good on knock down on deer & hogs unless I picked carful shots

If I would have got a ar-10 .308 or 6.8 probably would still own one

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Old 03-29-2021, 08:46 AM   #24
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IF I decide to take a gun out to shoot deer/hogs or that size animal, my go to is a (WAS A) 6.8 SPC AR15 that is a sub-MOA rifle that shoots a 120 grain .270 caliber bullet and it is also the gun I am teaching my grandsons (8 and 10 years old) to shoot with. The adjustable stock makes it easy to fit the rifle to them. My oldest has taken 3 deer and a javelina with it... light recoil, and deadly caliber for any animal in Texas... Took one axis with it and it was DRT with a high shoulder shot at 155 yards.


There is good reason the AR15 is the #1 sporting rifle in this country. They can be used for any kind of rifle shooting by any size person, and even yet today they are one of the cheapest guns by comparison to shoot. If all my bolt guns hadn't been lost in the tragic accident, I'd have might as well sold them, because I don't use them any longer... My two go to's AR-15's and AR10 will cover anything I want to shoot.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:47 AM   #25
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And, if you want one you'd better get it now. At least get the lower before "come on man Joe" outlaws them.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:51 AM   #26
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reloading they're still pretty cheap to shoot and fun. I've used my 300bo on pigs and it's been good inside of 100yds. I wouldn't shoot deer with any of mine but that's just because I have better options. With the right bullet it's fine.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:52 AM   #27
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I don’t need that many rounds to hit something. Im way more accurate with my bolt gun. Never was the pray and spray kind of guy.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:53 AM   #28
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I get that brother. But Im not steady enough to shoot a deer in the neck. Always been a behind the shoulder guy. Does a 300 blow the deer up?
Man, a .300 BO barely has enough velocity to blow up tannerite--much less a deer. :-)
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:53 AM   #29
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In .223. Dont know why. Just cause everyone else has one (or several). Imho anything less than a .25-06 is too small for deer. I figured it'd be good for yotes (although I have a .243, .22-250, and .222 for yotes - and rarely hunt them).

Wish I'd gotten an AR in 7.62x39 or 300BO. .223 definitely ain't my "go to" for hogs. And bout the only gun hunting I might do is for hogs. The semi-auto would be perty handy for a sounder in open country.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:56 AM   #30
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I get that brother. But Im not steady enough to shoot a deer in the neck. Always been a behind the shoulder guy. Does a 300 blow the deer up?
Does a 30/30 ?
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:57 AM   #31
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I carried a M-16 for four years and after I got out, I had no desire to own a AR-15.
Then, some ignorant politician said “No one hunts with a AR-15”. Well me being the contrary type, I went out and bought a Colt AR.
I’ve killed a lot of pigs and deer with that 5.56 and I love the multiple follow up shots afforded on those big Sounders.
Never would have thought that I’d want one but now that I’m hunting with one, I have enjoyed it. Highly versatile and adaptable platform that can meet almost any need.
I ordered a 6.5 Grendel upper that will be my new hunting rifle.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:03 AM   #32
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I get that brother. But Im not steady enough to shoot a deer in the neck. Always been a behind the shoulder guy. Does a 300 blow the deer up?
Ballistically the 300 blackout is a light weight 30-30.

IMO - Beyond 100 yards, it does not meet the energy requirements to ensure ethical (minimal suffering) kills on whitetail.


For hill country hunting I would recommend a .243 Win, .257 Roberts, 25-06 Rem, or 7mm-08.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:05 AM   #33
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The original M16 that I carried in Vietnam was a much different gun than what is sold today in the AR platform. Those original rifles had 1 in 14 twist barrels shooting a 62 gr fmjbt 5.56mm bullet that was designed to be an unstable projectile that would tumble at the first impact with anything even a blade of grass. The purpose was to inflict as much wound damage as possible on soft tissue with the tumbling effect and they did do that fairly well. It often took more than one round to put an enemy down and keep him there. Most of us Nam vets hated the M16 and wished we still had M14's to carry for more lethal fire power. The only advantage the M16 ever had was we were able to carry more ammo because of the weight,
Modern AR barrels are mostly 1 in 7, 1 in 8 and 1in 9 twist rifling and will fire heavier bullets that will remain stable out to subsonic speed and giving them a lot longer range. All that said they are not very good at penetration on tough hide and bone of large animals.
I'm sooner or later going to change my AR to 6.8 Rem SPC for more stopping power. I've already shot enough hogs and had them run off with the .223 to prove to myself that this is not a good tough game caliber no matter what anybody says. Anybody with half a brain knows you can't always ear hole a pig which is the only sure way to kill them with a .223/5.56.
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I only used a bolt 243 or 270 for years and years. About 10 years ago I bought my first AR. The bolt guns stay in the safe now. Ammo is cheaper for .223 It has little/no recoil. Ladies and young children enjoy shooting them.

I just have one sighted in at exactly 30 yards to get my meat deer (head shots) Hasn't failed yet but have to be patient. Have my AR in .308 sighted in further out for fun or shots on bigger hogs.
My night hunting rig with IR almost never fails. It takes down hogs no problem. Just use a good bullet.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:14 AM   #35
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I use mine as a truck gun. When checking cows or fences it goes between the passenger seat and console. Killed many of pigs and yotes that way.
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I don't own one because they are evil. I'd never have such a weapon that could just snap, and fly off the handle uncontrollably.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:28 AM   #37
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I get that brother. But Im not steady enough to shoot a deer in the neck. Always been a behind the shoulder guy. Does a 300 blow the deer up?


Not any more than a 308. Itís a good 100 yard round.


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Old 03-29-2021, 09:39 AM   #38
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Regarding my firearms, I have always been a very functional guy. Guns aren't cheap, so I have made sure over the years that every gun/caliber I have will be used routinely and not just sit in the safe. I am also not a big fan of just going out and shooting off rounds just to do it and annoy the neighbors. Because of this, I have never owned an AR. That was until a few months ago. The way this country is going, the functional purpose of a high-round, semi-auto rifle is getting closer to a real possibility. After getting it in my hands, it may end up being the rifle I start my young daughters out shooting due to the collapsable stock.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:44 AM   #39
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Mine is used by my son, he shoots it well and has low recoil.

I personally grab it for pigs around the house. I never saw a need until a really good deal came up and I had some extra cash. I like it now for defense should SHTF, I won't sell it, I actually will buy another one for myself in 6.5.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:46 AM   #40
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to each his own but I don't see the point of having one just to waste valuable ammo now days. My small and medium caliber bolt-guns do everything I need.
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I own ARs for pigs!
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I like them because they **** Liberals off.
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I own ARs for pigs!
Same for me - they are fun and easy to play around with.
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Old 03-29-2021, 10:08 AM   #44
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In 68' I qualified with the M14 and shot exert (100 & 200m), in 69' I qualified with the M16 (100 & 200m) and shot expert with it as well all open peep sight. I liked the M16 but I really loved the M14. I own a Stag Arms M15 and let my grandson shoot deer and pigs with it with no issues. Now that ammo is an issue I am not inclined to shoot it very often.
I also take it fishing with me and sure hope my leaky boat doesn't sink and it get lost forever in the murkey deep!!!
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Old 03-29-2021, 10:12 AM   #45
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I did not want anything to do with them for many years. When I was a teenager, I used to watch multiple people bring ARs or M16s to the range. Almost everyone of them spent their whole time on the range, trying to clear a jambed gun. There was a sheriff's deputy who used to go out to the range with his M16 and try and shoot it. I watched that gun jamb up all the time. He never was able to run a full mag through that gun without it jambing. That was back in the 80s, back when the only M16s or ARs you ever saw were Colt. Then in the 90s, we bought two ARs, never had a single problem with either gun jambing, but the best I could do accuracy wise was about 4" groups at 100 yards. The 4" groups were done with a scope, mounted on top of a A2 receiver, on the carry handle. The other gun, without the scope, I could only get 6" groups at 100 yards. The ammo we were using was good factory loaded 5.56 ammo, I think Winchester ammo, possibly some UMC. Again, both rifles were 100% Colt. I am pretty sure the guns I used to see back in the 80s that jambed up all the time, were magazine problems, but back then I did not know that. Just got old watching guys trying to get jambed rounds out of their ARs, every time they showed up at the range. At the time we had a H&K 91, that we ran thousands of rounds through, it never once had any malfunction of any form. On a bench with a scope, I could fire at a rate of about one round a second, at 100 yards and keep all 20 rounds in a group, about 1 1/2" wide by about 2" tall. If I slowed down and took my time, I could shoot under an 1" all day long with factory ammo. Back then, seeing the results of all of the guys who insisted on owning ARs, just baffled me, as to why they stuck with them. Other than it was the US battle rifle since the mid to late 60s.







But then around 2003 I bought a Bushmaster M4 carbine, with the A3 receiver, flat top gun, with the removeable carry handle. I have never had a malfunction with that gun. When I first got the gun, I bought about 1500 rounds of Silver Bear ammo, then another 1500 rounds of Wolf ammo. Never had a malfunction with either, but the variation in muzzle blast and noise from shot to shot, really made me wonder how they measured the powder they were putting in those rounds. Some shots seemed like they hardly had any powder, other rounds seemed stuffed with some magnum powder, because of the huge muzzle blast I would get. Accuracy was about like what we got back in the 90s, at first. When I was using the open sights and that cheap communist ammo, I was getting 3" to 4" groups. But obviously the ammo was junk, so what would the gun do, if I ran good ammo through it. So I bought good American ammo and shot that stuff. The gun got down to 2" and even as small as 1 1/2" groups, but that was the best the gun would ever do, with factory ammo.

Knowing the 5.56s have the throats cut deep. I decided to try loading some ammo, to try and get better accuracy. I figured out if I did get the bullet closer to the lands, the accuracy quickly went under 1" at 100 yards. So I searched for a bullet that had a different ogive, to try and get the bullet closer to the lands, while still being able to fit in the mags. I found a 52 gr. Speer hollow point, it has a large hollow point, so the nose is flat, that allows the bullet to be seated farther out of the case and still fit in the mag, then the ogive puts the bullet closer to the lands. The bullet has been my main bullet for that gun ever since. The gun will shoot 1/4" groups with about any powder that works in a 223. I have used at least five different powders with that bullet over the years, still get 1/4" groups from the gun, but I have the bullet leaving the 16" barrel a lot faster now days.

That gun for many years now, has been my go to rife for around the house. I have killed a lot of coyotes with it over the years, possums, coons, one buck and one pig. It is about the best ranch rifle/truck gun, you could possibly have. I call it my utility gun, it's been used for just about everything. Definitely not my first choice for a deer gun, but it works, if you know the limitations of the 223 ammo I use and stay within those limitations. It's a great coyote gun, I have killed coyotes out to 400 yards with it. Some day, I would like to build a 223 Wylde with a 24" barrel, but I also plan on building a 24" barreled 224 Valkyrie. The 224, I plan on definitely building, but I may also do the 223 Wylde, it would make a great prairie dog and coyote gun, if I ever get on a place where there are a lot of both.

So as a result of that gun, I have put together a AR in a wildcat caliber, called the 270 AR. It comes very close to duplicating the old factory 270 Win. ballistics, but will fit in a common AR size mag. Then I put a 458 SOCOM together, love that gun also. So far out of my three ARs, no malfunctions, once I got the magazine problems corrected. The 458 SOCOM gave me the most trouble feeding, but only took a couple days to get it corrected. I modified a mag and it has worked great ever since.

The 270 AR will produce 3/8" groups at 100 yards, it is a serious critter killer. I have killed two mule deer with it, a few hogs and a turkey. The damage, has always been impressive. The 458 SOCOM will shoot around 1" at 100, maybe a bit less, probably more like 3/4" groups. So far I have only fired it at one animal. I shot one pig in the head around 250 yards. The bullet went all the way through that pig and hit a second pig. The pigs were all walking straight towards me, when I shot. I should have waited, till they were closer, but I was not sure they were going to keep coming my way. I should have had the 270 AR that morning, I had been shooting pigs at 70 yards from that blind and figured the 458 would be a good choice, so I took it the last morning, then the only shot I got was well over 100 yards. They came out around 350 yards out, I watched them for a while, then finally decided, they likely were not coming any closer and shot. The 458 worked great at that range, I did a good job of guessing the bullet drop, never having fired that gun that far.

After hunting only with a AR for numerous years, I really got to missing having a great shooting bolt action, which is what I primarily used for 25 years, before I bought the Bushmaster. So I have started buying and working on bolt guns again, and single shots. I love my Contenders and either Browning or Winchester 1885s. That will be one of my next builds. I really miss having a nice 1885. Then I will build a XP100 some day, that is the gun, I have wanted for many years. Basically I like all types of rifles and pistols. I am definitely not a AR fanatic, or the type that if I am going to own a rifle, it has to be a AR. I love great shooting bolt actions and single shot rifles, but I like semi autos also. I have a list of non AR semi auto guns, that I plan on buying also. Then I do like lever guns also, my favorite 22 LR for 20 years or more was a 9422, till it got stolen.

I am not the stereo typical AR owner, that loads up a a bunch of 30 round mags and then burn through those as fast as possible. Yes, I do have 30 round mags, I have loaded them up and ran through them quickly, plinking at cans or whatever. That has happened, but not my normal thing. I do plan on building a AR9 for that purpose, and as a general purpose short range gun.

One of the many cool things with a AR, that you can not do with most bolt guns or other guns, is swap barrels out quickly and easily. If you have a 5.56 AR, and want more power, you can just order a 6.5 Grendel barrel or a 350 Legend barrel or a 450 Bushmaster barrel. Then remove your forearm/hand guard. Then unscrew the barrel nut remove the barrel, install your new barrel and then put it back together in reverse order. If you have a carbine and want a longer barreled rifle for more velocity and range, or vise versa, you just swap barrels and possibly hand guards. If you have a gun with a retractable stock and want a stock for more of a precision rifle, you can swap out the stock quickly and buffer tube quickly. You can take a fixed stock and replace it with a collapsible stock. You can buy one lower and then have multiple different complete uppers set up, with sights or scope, sighted in, and ready to go, just swap the upper you want to use on the lower. Just like guys do with T/C Contenders.

The ARs are very modular, pretty quick to completely change the gun from one style and caliber, to a completely different style gun and caliber. Once you really get into them and start to fully understand what all can be done with them, then you will really start to understand why they are so popular. They can be built to appeal to most anyone. Then they make stocks out of wood and stocks that don't look like AR stocks, I saw one a guy posted up, that looks similar to a old Browning BAR. I have seen some others, with wood stocks, that took a while of staring at them to figure out that I was looking at a AR. In some states, they don't allow military style guns with the pistol grip, the grip and the stock, have to be one piece.

Then another thing I have come up with, is when some new caliber comes out, that is available for the AR. You can buy just a barrel, maybe a bolt, if you don't already have a bolt of the correct size. I have multiple size bolts, so I can just buy about any barrel and install it on one of my guns, then either pick up some ammo or brass and dies. Then be out shooting quickly. A barrel is a lot cheaper than buying a complete rifle in some new caliber. But if I wind up liking the caliber, then I may go and hunt down a bolt action in that caliber. But the AR is the cheapest way to try out some caliber you don't currently own. That or something like a Contender or Encore, those are even cheaper and easier to change out barrels to a new caliber. I have been a Contender owner for over 30 years, I may finally buy a Encore. They are much stronger, so you can install just about any caliber barrel you ever want, on one of those. For use as a handgun, I would prefer a Contender, but in the more powerful rifle calibers, your only choice is the Encore. I have refused to buy one, because they are bigger and heavier, but you can't get a 458 Win. Mag barrel for a Contender, you could for a Encore, I don't know if I would shoot that very often. I see a lot of guys with 300 Win. Mag Encores. The point is have a modular gun, such as a AR or a Contender or Encore, is really a good idea, because of the modularity of those guns. But with a AR, you also have a great defense gun, if you ever need one. A Contender, is not the best defense gun, it could be used for that purpose, but a AR would be a lot better.
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I was in the last campaign in Vietnam. Back then at age 19 my eyesight was great. Those jar heads on here can attest to the fact that back then we qualified with the M16 at 2,3, and 500 yards prone. When you had your elevation and windage correct you could shoot bull’s-eyes at 500 yards. Now granted, those were 6 foot man targets. But looking through iron peep sights they looked awful small. Didn’t really care for the smooth slab side and you had to keep em clean. All great input gentleman.
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I don't own one...


I own 3
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I've have seen the need for one but bought a 5.56 before the election and now have one in 300 blkout. I bought a thermal so both are a lot of fun. The 300 is awesome suppressed with the thermal for hogs and close coyotes.
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I've have seen the need for one but bought a 5.56 before the election and now have one in 300 blkout. I bought a thermal so both are a lot of fun. The 300 is awesome suppressed with the thermal for hogs and close coyotes.


Have you shot trident for your 300 ?


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Dang RBP! Your off into this shat! Wished I had the kinda knowledge most of you folks have with bows and ballistics.
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