School me on the 6mm Creedmoor

[JuDGe]

Ok then...

How about barrel length?

[Old Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by cva34

243 win simply because of ammo avability.... if ya roll your own then???

I like 24” in those calibers.

[Raider4044]

Originally Posted by Old Bald Guy

Ok. So show me how-in the 50-400 yd range that 99% of hogs and deer are killed at- how a 6mm 100 gr bullet @ 3,000 fps will out perform a 6.5mm 100 gr bullet @ 3,200 fps.

Here you go. 100 grain ELD-M in the 6.5 going 3200 (using your number, which is probably a little generous), 108 grain ELD going 3050 (my load) in the 6. By 250 yards, the 8 grain heavier bullet in the 6 has already passed the 6.5 in velocity. Notice the wind correction as well.


6.5 Creed




6mm Creed



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[Old Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by Raider4044

Here you go. 100 grain ELD-M in the 6.5 going 3200 (using your number, which is probably a little generous), 108 grain ELD going 3050 (my load) in the 6. By 250 yards, the 8 grain heavier bullet in the 6 has already passed the 6.5 in velocity. Notice the wind correction as well.
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That’s impressive but:
You bumped the 6mm up 50fps
You used 2 different bullet types with about a .200 G1 difference advantage to the 6mm.
If you use a proven hunting bullet of the same type at max velocity shown in the load data from Nosler in both calibers the 6.5 has a slight advantage.
Not knocking the 6mm Creed since it’s a good cartridge and has some nice bullets out there now to choose from. My point was that despite people knocking the 6.5 Creed for hunting it’s actually very good when loaded with bullets that little case can push.

[Raider4044]

Originally Posted by Old Bald Guy

That’s impressive but:
You bumped the 6mm up 50fps
You used 2 different bullet types with about a .200 G1 difference advantage to the 6mm.
If you use a proven hunting bullet of the same type at max velocity shown in the load data from Nosler in both calibers the 6.5 has a slight advantage.
Not knocking the 6mm Creed since it’s a good cartridge and has some nice bullets out there now to choose from. My point was that despite people knocking the 6.5 Creed for hunting it’s actually very good when loaded with bullets that little case can push.

They’re both ELD-M. I accidentally left the M off the 6mm. Same bullet, different caliber.

Yes, I bumped up the 6mm. Like I said, pretty easy to push it to 3050. 3200 is pretty dang hot for a 6.5. Hornady has 3150 listed as the max for 6.5 Creed 100 grain. 3050 for 6 Creed slinging 105-108s.


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[TX03RUBI]

Originally Posted by Old Bald Guy

Maybe or maybe not. Been a bunch of deer and hogs killed around here in the last 10 years or so with 6.5 mm 100 gr Partitions.
How many of those “bodies” that you’ve stacked were at 1,000-1,500 yards?

Stay on the same page. You asked a question and I answered. Now your moving the goalpost because someone refuted your idiotic claims. Nowhere have I mentioned killing at distance. I do however use the same rifle for shooting long range that I use for killing. However more than a large handful of those kills have been at 400+. Which is a chip shot with the rifle caliber and projectile. You’re the one who got upset because I pointed out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5.

[TX03RUBI]

Originally Posted by Raider4044

They’re both ELD-M. I accidentally left the M off the 6mm. Same bullet, different caliber.

Yes, I bumped up the 6mm. Like I said, pretty easy to push it to 3050. 3200 is pretty dang hot for a 6.5. Hornady has 3150 listed as the max for 6.5 Creed 100 grain. 3050 for 6 Creed slinging 105-108s.


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Factory 108s out of my 6 are running 3060, and that’s all I kill with besides 80 ELDM in the 22 CM.

[Old Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by TX03RUBI

I’ve stacked more bodies in a night with a 6 Creed than you will all season. Try again old bald guy.

Originally Posted by TX03RUBI

Stay on the same page. You asked a question and I answered. Now your moving the goalpost because someone refuted your idiotic claims. Nowhere have I mentioned killing at distance. I do however use the same rifle for shooting long range that I use for killing. However more than a large handful of those kills have been at 400+. Which is a chip shot with the rifle caliber and projectile. You’re the one who got upset because I pointed out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5.

I don't see anything in your post that points out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5. All I see is you bragging about something that is highly unlikely to be true.

[TX03RUBI]

Originally Posted by Old Bald Guy

I don't see anything in your post that points out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5. All I see is you bragging about something that is highly unlikely to be true.

You insinuated that I don’t hunt just because I shoot long range. You started the purse swinging because your old fragile ego got a boo boo. In no point of my first comment did I attack you, but your geriatric self had to attack me because I made a valid point. The valid point being that a 100 gr 6.5 falls on its *** at distance, when the 6 doesn’t.

As far as unlikely claims my best night with the 6 was 21 hogs. That didn’t include my buddies that he got that night. Sure 21 hogs isn’t much, but I doubt you’re of any acct either way

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by Old Bald Guy

I don't see anything in your post that points out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5. All I see is you bragging about something that is highly unlikely to be true.

Not only will I confirm his claims, I’ll put a $500 wager on it.

I’ve shot both. As has both other guys debating it with you. The 6 creed is a superior round. Good luck finding factory ammo in the 6.5 to contend with the 6. Hand loading and it’s even further apart.

[cattlelackranch]

Ok the “purse swinging” comment made me chuckle.

Carry on….

[wheels]

Plenty of Ammo these days for them. So I say it’s a good choice

[Old Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by trophy8

Not only will I confirm his claims, I’ll put a $500 wager on it.

I’ve shot both. As has both other guys debating it with you. The 6 creed is a superior round. Good luck finding factory ammo in the 6.5 to contend with the 6. Hand loading and it’s even further apart.

Lol I’m sure you can.
I didn’t say one round was superior to the other only mentioned that with 100 gr hunting bullets-at the range most deer/hogs are killed at- there ain’t a dimes worth of difference.
You got your panties twisted and here we are.

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by Old Bald Guy

Lol I’m sure you can.
I didn’t say one round was superior to the other only mentioned that with 100 gr hunting bullets-at the range most deer/hogs are killed at- there ain’t a dimes worth of difference.
You got your panties twisted and here we are.

My panties aren’t twisted at all. You popped off some asinine BS and won’t back off of it lol. You’re wrong.

[JuDGe]

So… 6mm Creedmoor… This thread kinda took on a life of it’s own…

Maybe I’ll look at the 6mm ARC.

Thanks?

[PVDT]

Originally Posted by Old Bald Guy

Not everyone is a wannabe sniper. Some of us hunt.

Old bald guy making his appearance.

[PVDT]

Originally Posted by trophy8

My panties aren’t twisted at all. You popped off some asinine BS and won’t back off of it lol. You’re wrong.

Something he’s really good at finally…asinine comments.

[Old Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by JuDGe

So… 6mm Creedmoor… This thread kinda took on a life of it’s own…

Maybe I’ll look at the 6mm ARC.

Thanks?

My apologies. I think the 6mm Creed is a good cartridge as are the 22 Creed and 6.5 Creed.

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by JuDGe

So… 6mm Creedmoor… This thread kinda took on a life of it’s own…

Maybe I’ll look at the 6mm ARC.

Thanks?

Sorry lol.

If you get towards Georgetown you’re welcome to take mine for a spin.

[billfromtx]

Originally Posted by JuDGe

Should I own one? Why?

If you have to ask a question like that, I would say No…don’t buy it.

[kkp005]

Dang this thread went to the gutter fast.
6 creed is an absolute fantastic round for deer, hogs and yotes.
There’s an abundance of great factory ammo, it has very little recoil, is very easy to load for (h4350 and easy to find Lapua brass).

I had Alamo precision rebarrel / rechamber a 308 Bergara I had into a 7.5 twist 6 creed and it’s one of my favorite guns.

Like others have said, it’s everything the 243 should have been.

I’ve killed With 95gr NBT’s, 105gr Berger hybrids and 108gr ELDM’s. They are moving 2900-3000 fps out of my 20” barrel. If I could do it again I’d have gone 18”.

Get you one and don’t look back!


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[HTOWN]

Originally Posted by kkp005

Dang this thread went to the gutter fast.
6 creed is an absolute fantastic round for deer, hogs and yotes.
There’s an abundance of great factory ammo, it has very little recoil, is very easy to load for (h4350 and easy to find Lapua brass).

I had Alamo precision rebarrel / rechamber a 308 Bergara I had into a 7.5 twist 6 creed and it’s one of my favorite guns.

Like others have said, it’s everything the 243 should have been.

I’ve killed With 95gr NBT’s, 105gr Berger hybrids and 108gr ELDM’s. They are moving 2900-3000 fps out of my 20” barrel. If I could do it again I’d have gone 18”.

Get you one and don’t look back!


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I've thought about adding one to the collection. Kicking it around, 18 or 20 inch barrel.
Not to sure what real world #s would be with a 18 inch.

[kkp005]

Originally Posted by HTOWN

I've thought about adding one to the collection. Kicking it around, 18 or 20 inch barrel.
Not to sure what real world #s would be with a 18 inch.

Prob only lose 25fps an inch.. realistically you might could still squeeze 3k out of an 18”… none of my mine are loaded super hot

[Raider4044]

Originally Posted by kkp005

Prob only lose 25fps an inch.. realistically you might could still squeeze 3k out of an 18”… none of my mine are loaded super hot

I’d go 18” all day. I’m running 108s around 2950 out of my 18” and might could push it a little harder. I might even consider going 16.5” when this barrel burns up.




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[Walker]

About 98% of these posts have no credence at all. Unless you reload and/or shoot way out there the 6mm has nothing over the 243

[WyoBull]

I have a good friend up here that has has spent his entire career in predator control. He has shot about every varmint caliber out there at one time or another.
What is his rifle of choice today? 6mm CM. He tells me that for him, when managing mountain lions, wolvesand coyotes it allows him to reach out there further and still be effective. He does all his own reloading as well.
Personally, I shoot and reload for a 243 Win but if I were in the market, I would take a hard look at it. When a guy shoots 20,000 rounds a year killing predators, I tend to listen to what he has to say.

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[68rustbucket]

Originally Posted by Big pig

.260 IS the same as 6.5. But REM screwed that up with limited offerings of rifles and ammo. Especially ammo. My early model 7 was worst shooting I have ever owned.

I agree the early model 7 in .260 was junk. I had one, wouldn’t pattern any better than a pie plate right out of the box. I even sent my Leupold scope in to be checked. Took that rifle to the gun show, problem solved.

[Old Bald Guy]

Originally Posted by 68rustbucket

I agree the early model 7 in .260 was junk. I had one, wouldn’t pattern any better than a pie plate right out of the box. I even sent my Leupold scope in to be checked. Took that rifle to the gun show, problem solved.

I bought my .260 CDL Limited when they came out in 08. Bedded the action, floated the barrel and it’s been killin stuff ever since. Kids and grandkids seem to like it a lot.

[TX03RUBI]

Originally Posted by Walker

About 98% of these posts have no credence at all. Unless you reload and/or shoot way out there the 6mm has nothing over the 243

I might have believed you except you said unless you reload. That’s actually 95% the benefit of 6 CM. The quality factory loads

[6.5 shooter]

I’ve had my 6mm Creedmoor for at least 6 years now. I hunt with the 103 eldx, and target shoot with the 108 eldm. I’ve taken 100’s of animals with it. Its pretty much all I carry these days. Almost shot a 300ish pound aoudad with it last Saturday, just couldn’t get the right shot on it. I absolutely love the round, super accurate.

[JeffK]

Any factory hunting rifles out there in this caliber?

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by JeffK

Any factory hunting rifles out there in this caliber?

Lots. Bergara. Seekins. To name probably the top 2.

[splitbeam145]

I had Alamo Precision put together a 16.5” CF 6mm CM on tikka action almost 2 years ago. Shooting Factory 108 ELdM 2650fps and I planned on reloading to get more speed BUT it has been an absolute hammer on animals from 50-480yds. On pigs, yotes, and mule deer. I’ve BEEN VERY IMPRESSED with the performance of the bullet and the accuracy of the factory ammo. I’ve told people I’d have no problem building another 6mm CM rifle.

[trophy8]

Originally Posted by splitbeam145

I had Alamo Precision put together a 16.5” CF 6mm CM on tikka action almost 2 years ago. Shooting Factory 108 ELdM 2650fps and I planned on reloading to get more speed BUT it has been an absolute hammer on animals from 50-480yds. On pigs, yotes, and mule deer. I’ve BEEN VERY IMPRESSED with the performance of the bullet and the accuracy of the factory ammo. I’ve told people I’d have no problem building another 6mm CM rifle.

Imagine if a good smith built it! Lol

[LHPanther]

I have a 6.5, 6cm and .243. I shoot at least once a week. The 6.5 collects dust.

[Big pig]

Originally Posted by LHPanther

I have a 6.5, 6cm and .243. I shoot at least once a week. The 6.5 collects dust.

Why? Serious question

BP

[muzzlebrake]

It's all about the bullet. I shot a box of 95gr Hornaday SST in my old .244 Rem and had bullets blow up on the hide on two animals with no deep penetration. One was a big old boar and the other a long horn spike. Took several shots to put them both down. The deer ran about a mile and the boar finally got one in the ear hole. Never had that problem when I shot cheap green box Core-lokts.
SST's made good P-dog and paper ammo and that's about it. I suspect the velocity was just too high for those bullets.

[LHPanther]

Originally Posted by Big pig

Why? Serious question

BP

Fun to punch paper and shoot steel. Extremely accurate round but have had very mixed results with it in the field. Bullets exploding on shoulders, no blood trails. Perfect shots and trailed animals for entirely too long. Very little confidence in it in the field. Never ever had these issues with any other round. Has made me very leery of using it on animals.

[Big pig]

Originally Posted by LHPanther

Fun to punch paper and shoot steel. Extremely accurate round but have had very mixed results with it in the field. Bullets exploding on shoulders, no blood trails. Perfect shots and trailed animals for entirely too long. Very little confidence in it in the field. Never ever had these issues with any other round. Has made me very leery of using it on animals.

Sure sounds like bullet choice issues? I am asking because I’m looking forctge best affordable 6.5 CM deer round for 50-300 yards.

BP

[LHPanther]

Originally Posted by Big pig

Sure sounds like bullet choice issues? I am asking because I’m looking forctge best affordable 6.5 CM deer round for 50-300 yards.

BP

Agreed. I think Hornady makes a nice bullet. But I think coupled with the 6.5cm it’s not a good match. Finding anything on the shelf for the 6.5 other than Hornady is tough. However, I did find some 140 grn Norma soft points which I’m hoping pattern well with my gun. If so, it could prevent
Me from rechambering my 6.5 (which is an Alamo gun by the way)

[sierracharlie338]

Originally Posted by Big pig

Sure sounds like bullet choice issues? I am asking because I’m looking forctge best affordable 6.5 CM deer round for 50-300 yards.

BP

Federal non-typical (soft point) or Hornady American whitetail (soft point) will do anything you ask it out to 300 yards.


Sierracharlie out....

[JLivi1224]

The cartridge pissing matches really bring out the d-bag in some.

[wdtorque]

Originally Posted by Silentnight

I second this. I had a short 6cm built for my kids to shoot suppressed. It’s pretty much perfect for shooting the heavier bullets.
I used it to shoot a couple doe on Friday. One at 270yds the other at 290yds. There were 2 hits each, the bullet hitting them and them hitting the ground.

What ammo do you use for deer? Thanks


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[bboswell]

As with any Creedmore cartridge there is already a cartridge available that will offer almost the same ballistics.

Creedmore case design and barrel twist caters to the new long high BC bullets.

If you want to shoot the long heavies for long distance then Creedmore makes sense.

[Big pig]

Originally Posted by sierracharlie338

Federal non-typical (soft point) or Hornady American whitetail (soft point) will do anything you ask it out to 300 yards.


Sierracharlie out....

Thank you

[wdtorque]

Originally Posted by LHPanther

Agreed. I think Hornady makes a nice bullet. But I think coupled with the 6.5cm it’s not a good match. Finding anything on the shelf for the 6.5 other than Hornady is tough. However, I did find some 140 grn Norma soft points which I’m hoping pattern well with my gun. If so, it could prevent
Me from rechambering my 6.5 (which is an Alamo gun by the way)

Hornady seems to have one that all agree is a good deer round, shocking to see so much agreement. The Hornady Whitetail, interlock bullet, gets stellar reviews everywhere I’ve looked. Match and eldm, not so much. Aim Small


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[wdtorque]

Originally Posted by sierracharlie338

Federal non-typical (soft point) or Hornady American whitetail (soft point) will do anything you ask it out to 300 yards.


Sierracharlie out....

Thanks


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[sierracharlie338]

Originally Posted by Big pig

Thank you

Originally Posted by wdtorque

Thanks


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No problemo!


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