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Old 11-22-2022, 07:02 AM   #51
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Ok then...

How about barrel length?
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Old 11-22-2022, 07:51 AM   #52
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243 win simply because of ammo avability.... if ya roll your own then???
I like 24Ē in those calibers.
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Old 11-22-2022, 08:29 AM   #53
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Ok. So show me how-in the 50-400 yd range that 99% of hogs and deer are killed at- how a 6mm 100 gr bullet @ 3,000 fps will out perform a 6.5mm 100 gr bullet @ 3,200 fps.

Here you go. 100 grain ELD-M in the 6.5 going 3200 (using your number, which is probably a little generous), 108 grain ELD going 3050 (my load) in the 6. By 250 yards, the 8 grain heavier bullet in the 6 has already passed the 6.5 in velocity. Notice the wind correction as well.


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Old 11-22-2022, 10:05 AM   #54
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Here you go. 100 grain ELD-M in the 6.5 going 3200 (using your number, which is probably a little generous), 108 grain ELD going 3050 (my load) in the 6. By 250 yards, the 8 grain heavier bullet in the 6 has already passed the 6.5 in velocity. Notice the wind correction as well.
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Thatís impressive but:
You bumped the 6mm up 50fps
You used 2 different bullet types with about a .200 G1 difference advantage to the 6mm.
If you use a proven hunting bullet of the same type at max velocity shown in the load data from Nosler in both calibers the 6.5 has a slight advantage.
Not knocking the 6mm Creed since itís a good cartridge and has some nice bullets out there now to choose from. My point was that despite people knocking the 6.5 Creed for hunting itís actually very good when loaded with bullets that little case can push.
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Old 11-22-2022, 10:12 AM   #55
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Thatís impressive but:
You bumped the 6mm up 50fps
You used 2 different bullet types with about a .200 G1 difference advantage to the 6mm.
If you use a proven hunting bullet of the same type at max velocity shown in the load data from Nosler in both calibers the 6.5 has a slight advantage.
Not knocking the 6mm Creed since itís a good cartridge and has some nice bullets out there now to choose from. My point was that despite people knocking the 6.5 Creed for hunting itís actually very good when loaded with bullets that little case can push.

Theyíre both ELD-M. I accidentally left the M off the 6mm. Same bullet, different caliber.

Yes, I bumped up the 6mm. Like I said, pretty easy to push it to 3050. 3200 is pretty dang hot for a 6.5. Hornady has 3150 listed as the max for 6.5 Creed 100 grain. 3050 for 6 Creed slinging 105-108s.


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Old 11-22-2022, 12:46 PM   #56
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Maybe or maybe not. Been a bunch of deer and hogs killed around here in the last 10 years or so with 6.5 mm 100 gr Partitions.
How many of those ďbodiesĒ that youíve stacked were at 1,000-1,500 yards?
Stay on the same page. You asked a question and I answered. Now your moving the goalpost because someone refuted your idiotic claims. Nowhere have I mentioned killing at distance. I do however use the same rifle for shooting long range that I use for killing. However more than a large handful of those kills have been at 400+. Which is a chip shot with the rifle caliber and projectile. Youíre the one who got upset because I pointed out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5.
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They’re both ELD-M. I accidentally left the M off the 6mm. Same bullet, different caliber.

Yes, I bumped up the 6mm. Like I said, pretty easy to push it to 3050. 3200 is pretty dang hot for a 6.5. Hornady has 3150 listed as the max for 6.5 Creed 100 grain. 3050 for 6 Creed slinging 105-108s.


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Factory 108s out of my 6 are running 3060, and that’s all I kill with besides 80 ELDM in the 22 CM.
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:11 PM   #58
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I’ve stacked more bodies in a night with a 6 Creed than you will all season. Try again old bald guy.
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Stay on the same page. You asked a question and I answered. Now your moving the goalpost because someone refuted your idiotic claims. Nowhere have I mentioned killing at distance. I do however use the same rifle for shooting long range that I use for killing. However more than a large handful of those kills have been at 400+. Which is a chip shot with the rifle caliber and projectile. You’re the one who got upset because I pointed out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5.
I don't see anything in your post that points out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5. All I see is you bragging about something that is highly unlikely to be true.
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I don't see anything in your post that points out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5. All I see is you bragging about something that is highly unlikely to be true.
You insinuated that I donít hunt just because I shoot long range. You started the purse swinging because your old fragile ego got a boo boo. In no point of my first comment did I attack you, but your geriatric self had to attack me because I made a valid point. The valid point being that a 100 gr 6.5 falls on its *** at distance, when the 6 doesnít.

As far as unlikely claims my best night with the 6 was 21 hogs. That didnít include my buddies that he got that night. Sure 21 hogs isnít much, but I doubt youíre of any acct either way
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I don't see anything in your post that points out a valid reason for the 6 over the 6.5. All I see is you bragging about something that is highly unlikely to be true.
Not only will I confirm his claims, Iíll put a $500 wager on it.

Iíve shot both. As has both other guys debating it with you. The 6 creed is a superior round. Good luck finding factory ammo in the 6.5 to contend with the 6. Hand loading and itís even further apart.
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Old 11-22-2022, 01:57 PM   #61
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Ok the ďpurse swingingĒ comment made me chuckle.

Carry onÖ.
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Plenty of Ammo these days for them. So I say itís a good choice
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Old 11-22-2022, 02:34 PM   #63
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Not only will I confirm his claims, Iíll put a $500 wager on it.

Iíve shot both. As has both other guys debating it with you. The 6 creed is a superior round. Good luck finding factory ammo in the 6.5 to contend with the 6. Hand loading and itís even further apart.
Lol Iím sure you can.
I didnít say one round was superior to the other only mentioned that with 100 gr hunting bullets-at the range most deer/hogs are killed at- there ainít a dimes worth of difference.
You got your panties twisted and here we are.
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Lol Iím sure you can.
I didnít say one round was superior to the other only mentioned that with 100 gr hunting bullets-at the range most deer/hogs are killed at- there ainít a dimes worth of difference.
You got your panties twisted and here we are.
My panties arenít twisted at all. You popped off some asinine BS and wonít back off of it lol. Youíre wrong.
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Old 11-22-2022, 08:52 PM   #65
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So… 6mm Creedmoor… This thread kinda took on a life of it’s own…

Maybe I’ll look at the 6mm ARC.

Thanks?
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My panties arenít twisted at all. You popped off some asinine BS and wonít back off of it lol. Youíre wrong.
Something heís really good at finallyÖasinine comments.
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Old 11-22-2022, 09:11 PM   #68
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SoÖ 6mm CreedmoorÖ This thread kinda took on a life of itís ownÖ

Maybe Iíll look at the 6mm ARC.

Thanks?
My apologies. I think the 6mm Creed is a good cartridge as are the 22 Creed and 6.5 Creed.
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SoÖ 6mm CreedmoorÖ This thread kinda took on a life of itís ownÖ

Maybe Iíll look at the 6mm ARC.

Thanks?
Sorry lol.

If you get towards Georgetown youíre welcome to take mine for a spin.
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Should I own one? Why?
If you have to ask a question like that, I would say NoÖdonít buy it.
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Old 11-22-2022, 09:49 PM   #71
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Dang this thread went to the gutter fast.
6 creed is an absolute fantastic round for deer, hogs and yotes.
Thereís an abundance of great factory ammo, it has very little recoil, is very easy to load for (h4350 and easy to find Lapua brass).

I had Alamo precision rebarrel / rechamber a 308 Bergara I had into a 7.5 twist 6 creed and itís one of my favorite guns.

Like others have said, itís everything the 243 should have been.

Iíve killed With 95gr NBTís, 105gr Berger hybrids and 108gr ELDMís. They are moving 2900-3000 fps out of my 20Ē barrel. If I could do it again Iíd have gone 18Ē.

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Dang this thread went to the gutter fast.
6 creed is an absolute fantastic round for deer, hogs and yotes.
Thereís an abundance of great factory ammo, it has very little recoil, is very easy to load for (h4350 and easy to find Lapua brass).

I had Alamo precision rebarrel / rechamber a 308 Bergara I had into a 7.5 twist 6 creed and itís one of my favorite guns.

Like others have said, itís everything the 243 should have been.

Iíve killed With 95gr NBTís, 105gr Berger hybrids and 108gr ELDMís. They are moving 2900-3000 fps out of my 20Ē barrel. If I could do it again Iíd have gone 18Ē.

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I've thought about adding one to the collection. Kicking it around, 18 or 20 inch barrel.
Not to sure what real world #s would be with a 18 inch.
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I've thought about adding one to the collection. Kicking it around, 18 or 20 inch barrel.
Not to sure what real world #s would be with a 18 inch.
Prob only lose 25fps an inch.. realistically you might could still squeeze 3k out of an 18ĒÖ none of my mine are loaded super hot
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Prob only lose 25fps an inch.. realistically you might could still squeeze 3k out of an 18ĒÖ none of my mine are loaded super hot

Iíd go 18Ē all day. Iím running 108s around 2950 out of my 18Ē and might could push it a little harder. I might even consider going 16.5Ē when this barrel burns up.




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Old 11-23-2022, 03:11 PM   #75
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About 98% of these posts have no credence at all. Unless you reload and/or shoot way out there the 6mm has nothing over the 243
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Old 11-23-2022, 05:21 PM   #76
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I have a good friend up here that has has spent his entire career in predator control. He has shot about every varmint caliber out there at one time or another.
What is his rifle of choice today? 6mm CM. He tells me that for him, when managing mountain lions, wolvesand coyotes it allows him to reach out there further and still be effective. He does all his own reloading as well.
Personally, I shoot and reload for a 243 Win but if I were in the market, I would take a hard look at it. When a guy shoots 20,000 rounds a year killing predators, I tend to listen to what he has to say.

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Old 11-23-2022, 05:58 PM   #77
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.260 IS the same as 6.5. But REM screwed that up with limited offerings of rifles and ammo. Especially ammo. My early model 7 was worst shooting I have ever owned.
I agree the early model 7 in .260 was junk. I had one, wouldnít pattern any better than a pie plate right out of the box. I even sent my Leupold scope in to be checked. Took that rifle to the gun show, problem solved.
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I agree the early model 7 in .260 was junk. I had one, wouldn’t pattern any better than a pie plate right out of the box. I even sent my Leupold scope in to be checked. Took that rifle to the gun show, problem solved.
I bought my .260 CDL Limited when they came out in 08. Bedded the action, floated the barrel and it’s been killin stuff ever since. Kids and grandkids seem to like it a lot.
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About 98% of these posts have no credence at all. Unless you reload and/or shoot way out there the 6mm has nothing over the 243
I might have believed you except you said unless you reload. That’s actually 95% the benefit of 6 CM. The quality factory loads
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I’ve had my 6mm Creedmoor for at least 6 years now. I hunt with the 103 eldx, and target shoot with the 108 eldm. I’ve taken 100’s of animals with it. Its pretty much all I carry these days. Almost shot a 300ish pound aoudad with it last Saturday, just couldn’t get the right shot on it. I absolutely love the round, super accurate.
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Old 11-23-2022, 07:45 PM   #81
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Any factory hunting rifles out there in this caliber?
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Any factory hunting rifles out there in this caliber?
Lots. Bergara. Seekins. To name probably the top 2.
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I had Alamo Precision put together a 16.5Ē CF 6mm CM on tikka action almost 2 years ago. Shooting Factory 108 ELdM 2650fps and I planned on reloading to get more speed BUT it has been an absolute hammer on animals from 50-480yds. On pigs, yotes, and mule deer. Iíve BEEN VERY IMPRESSED with the performance of the bullet and the accuracy of the factory ammo. Iíve told people Iíd have no problem building another 6mm CM rifle.
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I had Alamo Precision put together a 16.5Ē CF 6mm CM on tikka action almost 2 years ago. Shooting Factory 108 ELdM 2650fps and I planned on reloading to get more speed BUT it has been an absolute hammer on animals from 50-480yds. On pigs, yotes, and mule deer. Iíve BEEN VERY IMPRESSED with the performance of the bullet and the accuracy of the factory ammo. Iíve told people Iíd have no problem building another 6mm CM rifle.
Imagine if a good smith built it! Lol
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I have a 6.5, 6cm and .243. I shoot at least once a week. The 6.5 collects dust.
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I have a 6.5, 6cm and .243. I shoot at least once a week. The 6.5 collects dust.
Why? Serious question

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It's all about the bullet. I shot a box of 95gr Hornaday SST in my old .244 Rem and had bullets blow up on the hide on two animals with no deep penetration. One was a big old boar and the other a long horn spike. Took several shots to put them both down. The deer ran about a mile and the boar finally got one in the ear hole. Never had that problem when I shot cheap green box Core-lokts.
SST's made good P-dog and paper ammo and that's about it. I suspect the velocity was just too high for those bullets.
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Fun to punch paper and shoot steel. Extremely accurate round but have had very mixed results with it in the field. Bullets exploding on shoulders, no blood trails. Perfect shots and trailed animals for entirely too long. Very little confidence in it in the field. Never ever had these issues with any other round. Has made me very leery of using it on animals.
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Fun to punch paper and shoot steel. Extremely accurate round but have had very mixed results with it in the field. Bullets exploding on shoulders, no blood trails. Perfect shots and trailed animals for entirely too long. Very little confidence in it in the field. Never ever had these issues with any other round. Has made me very leery of using it on animals.
Sure sounds like bullet choice issues? I am asking because Iím looking forctge best affordable 6.5 CM deer round for 50-300 yards.

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Sure sounds like bullet choice issues? I am asking because Iím looking forctge best affordable 6.5 CM deer round for 50-300 yards.

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Agreed. I think Hornady makes a nice bullet. But I think coupled with the 6.5cm itís not a good match. Finding anything on the shelf for the 6.5 other than Hornady is tough. However, I did find some 140 grn Norma soft points which Iím hoping pattern well with my gun. If so, it could prevent
Me from rechambering my 6.5 (which is an Alamo gun by the way)
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Sure sounds like bullet choice issues? I am asking because Iím looking forctge best affordable 6.5 CM deer round for 50-300 yards.

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Federal non-typical (soft point) or Hornady American whitetail (soft point) will do anything you ask it out to 300 yards.


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The cartridge pissing matches really bring out the d-bag in some.
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I second this. I had a short 6cm built for my kids to shoot suppressed. Itís pretty much perfect for shooting the heavier bullets.
I used it to shoot a couple doe on Friday. One at 270yds the other at 290yds. There were 2 hits each, the bullet hitting them and them hitting the ground.

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As with any Creedmore cartridge there is already a cartridge available that will offer almost the same ballistics.

Creedmore case design and barrel twist caters to the new long high BC bullets.

If you want to shoot the long heavies for long distance then Creedmore makes sense.
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Federal non-typical (soft point) or Hornady American whitetail (soft point) will do anything you ask it out to 300 yards.


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Old 11-26-2022, 11:26 AM   #96
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Agreed. I think Hornady makes a nice bullet. But I think coupled with the 6.5cm itís not a good match. Finding anything on the shelf for the 6.5 other than Hornady is tough. However, I did find some 140 grn Norma soft points which Iím hoping pattern well with my gun. If so, it could prevent
Me from rechambering my 6.5 (which is an Alamo gun by the way)

Hornady seems to have one that all agree is a good deer round, shocking to see so much agreement. The Hornady Whitetail, interlock bullet, gets stellar reviews everywhere Iíve looked. Match and eldm, not so much. Aim Small


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