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Old 10-26-2021, 09:25 AM   #1
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Question Oats or rye?

We won’t close on our property until November 4. Will it be too late to put out oats or rye grass?
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Old 10-26-2021, 09:28 AM   #2
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I would still go with oats. I live southwest of Ft.Worth and that's what I always plant. I have planted them as late as the end of October and they did just fine. Oats are preferred over rye by deer.
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Old 10-26-2021, 09:30 AM   #3
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Where is it?

You should be able to plant either through the end of November. I just put out oats last week.
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Old 10-26-2021, 09:31 AM   #4
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“If your deer eat rye, they’re starving. “. James Kroll.
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Old 10-26-2021, 09:55 AM   #5
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“If your deer eat rye, they’re starving. “. James Kroll.

nonsense!
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Old 10-26-2021, 09:58 AM   #6
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Oats. Rye looks good, deer will not eat them much
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:04 AM   #7
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Oats and radishes is my go to
Guy down the road grows rye for the Garrison Brothers Distillery in Hye I don’t see many animals in it

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Old 10-26-2021, 10:08 AM   #8
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Oats or winter wheat
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:09 AM   #9
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Deer don't eat rye.... hogwash.... don't plant ryegrass.... cereal rye (most likely Elbon variety) is what you want for plots. Depends on where you are but cereal rye or wheat will be tolerant of freezing... oats will not.
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:10 AM   #10
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Oats or winter wheat
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:10 AM   #11
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If it was a place I owned I would be willing to skip this fall and spend the money and time on getting the ground ready to produce for the future. Soil test then lime etc.
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:12 AM   #12
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Mix oats & winter wheat. Rye sucks - I have never had deer eat it where I've planted it. Mix in some type of clover, turnips and radishes if you're feeling froggy.
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:12 AM   #13
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Cereal rye not rye grass! Rye is extremely cold tolerant and deer will smash it.
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:37 AM   #14
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Mix oats & winter wheat. Rye sucks - I have never had deer eat it where I've planted it. Mix in some type of clover, turnips and radishes if you're feeling froggy.
^^^^^ clover , radishes will add nitrogen naturally and radish with breakup / condition the soil , with no till , unless you want to do the fertilizer and till thing
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:44 AM   #15
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you can do a mix, don't have to plant just one thing! Deer prefer a buffet
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:48 AM   #16
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Buckforage Oats, deer love em n they will last thru the coldest winter
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Old 10-26-2021, 12:00 PM   #17
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Landowner Planted oats last weekend and been doing it for years.....deer everywhere on those fields.

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Old 10-26-2021, 12:28 PM   #18
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Triticale works well also.
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Old 10-26-2021, 12:32 PM   #19
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Fertilized wheat is the ticket.
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Old 10-26-2021, 01:32 PM   #20
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We won’t close on our property until November 4. Will it be too late to put out oats or rye grass?
Interesting set of responses considering the question wasn't "what to plant" but if it was too late to plant.
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Old 10-26-2021, 01:48 PM   #21
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Interesting set of responses considering the question wasn't "what to plant" but if it was too late to plant.
Whatever IMO maybe for November late but December will have a good stand
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Old 10-26-2021, 01:52 PM   #22
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Deer don't eat rye.... hogwash.... don't plant ryegrass.... cereal rye (most likely Elbon variety) is what you want for plots. Depends on where you are but cereal rye or wheat will be tolerant of freezing... oats will not.
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Cereal rye not rye grass! Rye is extremely cold tolerant and deer will smash it.
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Old 10-26-2021, 01:52 PM   #23
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The only clear place I have is my small transmission right of way so there won’t be any prep. Maybe mow it first. So I’ll be spreading it.
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Old 10-26-2021, 02:03 PM   #24
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The only clear place I have is my small transmission right of way so there won’t be any prep. Maybe mow it first. So I’ll be spreading it.
Double your application rate then
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Old 10-26-2021, 02:13 PM   #25
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This year I did oats, cereal rye, winter wheat, winter peas, and clover. It's coming up nicely so far. Just hope the hogs don't destroy it.
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:00 PM   #26
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Double my application rate. Ok. Can I buy the oats or winter wheat at TS?
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Old 10-26-2021, 04:23 PM   #27
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Double my application rate. Ok. Can I buy the oats or winter wheat at TS?
Usually a feed store. TS sells a priced up deer mix. Maybe they have it though...
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Old 10-26-2021, 04:46 PM   #28
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Double my application rate. Ok. Can I buy the oats or winter wheat at TS?
Double up feed oats as seed oats are 3x $$$ from my experience
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Old 10-26-2021, 04:52 PM   #29
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I prefer Oats, but have had better luck with wheat no-till, and it will come up in November. Deer seem to prefer whatever is younger and most tender. But Oats and wheat are definitely better then rye. Rye sucks.

I've seen deer move over to newly planted wheat fields away from my oat plot, later in the season. Like late November, early December.

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Old 10-26-2021, 04:56 PM   #30
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Regular o'l feed oats or a mix of oats and winter wheat.
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Old 10-26-2021, 06:14 PM   #31
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With moisture, oats will be fine. Do not plant rye. A good chunk of Texas habitat has been ruined by rye already.
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:08 PM   #32
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Given a choice, oats would be mine.
Let the deer decide, plant both, right next to each other.

No it is not to late and yes deer will eat Rye, any rye. Cereal rye or Rye grass. I know its an argument that hasn't been settled but they will eat both just fine.
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:11 PM   #33
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“If your deer eat rye, they’re starving. “. James Kroll.
That’s rye grass, not cereal rye. Oats won’t stand the cold like rye grain will and rye has alleopathic properties that naturally suppress weed. Having said all that, I prefer wheat to either.
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:16 PM   #34
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Plant oats and wheat together. Oats will come up first but wheat will last longer and can stand colder weather.
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:20 PM   #35
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No clue about rye but deer prefer oats over wheat. Either are good but deer will eat the oats down to the ground before touching the wheat.
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:21 PM   #36
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So I could go to Producers or TS and find winter wheat?
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:25 PM   #37
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Cereal rye doesn't just provide forage. Its root system and as mentioned above weed suppression are huge benefits for your somer plots, which deer may need even more.

Start with cereal rye, double application, this year.
Once you get your feet on the ground, diversify with a summer plot (probably sun hemp).
Build that soil, and suppress those weeds (and costal).
Build your foundation first. It will save time, money and frustration later.
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:28 PM   #38
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Or, if you just want to whack and stack, feeders
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:41 PM   #39
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Don't know about rye. We put it in the feed pens but it never has came up much.

We lease two places from two land owners that are divided by a farm to market road. We have a 100 acre oat patch right across the road from a 50 acre wheat field. The deer will sprint across the wheat field, jump the fence, cross the road, jump the fence to eat the oats. Then walk back with full bellies to bed across the wheat field
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:47 PM   #40
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I would go with oats and elbon rye. It's a cereal rye and not grass. Have planted with success as late as Thanksgiving.
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Old 10-26-2021, 09:11 PM   #41
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Deer don't eat rye.... hogwash.... don't plant ryegrass.... cereal rye (most likely Elbon variety) is what you want for plots. Depends on where you are but cereal rye or wheat will be tolerant of freezing... oats will not.
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Old 10-26-2021, 09:26 PM   #42
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Where do you guys get this that oats will freeze. Not in Texas. They might burn a little but it will be minimal and oats will bounce back quick. We planted over 300 acres yearly down off 57 and never had any freeze damage that affected the crop as a whole.
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Old 10-26-2021, 10:25 PM   #43
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My Brother-in-law used to have a few fertile acres that he farmed. In the Winter he planted some of it in rye grass just to have some vegetation to turn into the soil in the Spring. The deer absolutely tore it up in the late Winter. He had motion detector lights on one part of the field by the house, and you could tell where they came on because that's where the deer stopped eating. I think that optimal soil conditions and fertilizer made it more palatable for the deer.
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We went to Standleys feed store the other day and they didn’t carry winter wheat. Said it would have to be ordered. So I bought 50 pounds of “feed oats” for $25.00. The sales person said they were basically the same as “seed oats” but not certified or something along those lines. Anyway got em put out, and yes I will definitely have to put another 50 out. That was the Standleys in Franklin.
I put out a bale of alfalfa and it literally went untouched. I was shocked. We did get our pop up out and saw six deer to boot.
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Old 10-31-2021, 08:35 AM   #45
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I think you could still get a partial stand if you planted right now. If it were me as expensive as things are I think I would wait. The ticket to it was the field prep ahead of time for moisture. Plus you have missed several good rains. Location is a big determining factor as well.
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Old 10-31-2021, 08:54 AM   #46
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I think you could still get a partial stand if you planted right now. If it were me as expensive as things are I think I would wait. The ticket to it was the field prep ahead of time for moisture. Plus you have missed several good rains. Location is a big determining factor as well.
and if not prepared soil..Birds /ants will get lots..as far as alfalfa hay I had same luck Nada.....Rye Grass does better on unprepared soil but its not favored/used by Deer until later in year...but when most stuff dies from cold Rye Grass thrives...and seed is so small it hides..A little clover might be Good but at prices and not sure on variety to plant ???and its a later crop too and small seed...
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Cereal rye not rye grass! Rye is extremely cold tolerant and deer will smash it.
Plant it now. Come Jan / feb your deer will have something green
Mine is wheat, oats, elbow rye & triticale.
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Old 10-31-2021, 09:38 AM   #48
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Yes we spread it Friday morning and weather says there is a small chance of rain this week. I cannot prep a transmission right of way nor do I have the equipment to do so. The responses on rye seemed to be 50/50 in favor not in favor.
I will check out the feed stores and see if I can find the elbow rye and triticale. Again I can’t disc. Will these grow by broadcast only? Thanks y’all
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Old 10-31-2021, 09:49 AM   #49
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Another one for wheat and oats 50/50 mix
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Old 10-31-2021, 01:47 PM   #50
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Buckforage Oats, deer love em n they will last thru the coldest winter
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