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Old 06-03-2020, 05:36 PM   #1
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The CAIR and Muslim brotherhood associated Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison is raising the charges on Derek Chavin(sp? To 2nd degree murder. Problem is they must prove intent. Ellison knows the law! He must know that charge will fail and this guy might walk on a technicality.
I think itís intentional. It gives the people a perceived win NOW. I look for them to fastrack this trial and a verdict will be rendered just prior to Election Day in November. Can you imagine the riots, unrest and all out pandemonium this country may see if Chauvin walks on a technicality

Something to think about.
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:01 PM   #2
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I hope he walks out a free man with a big smile on his face. Can’t wait to see the big cities burn
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Old 06-03-2020, 06:03 PM   #3
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I just don’t understand why these folks can’t see that all of their core issues are a direct result of the Democratic Party. Yet they continue to vote for them.

Crap schools? Democrat party
KKK? Democrat party
Slavery? Democrat party
Poverty? Incentivized through the nanny state - democrat party
Fatherless Homes (THE absolute core issue in my opinion) - incentivized BY...... the Democrat party
Police system racism - crime bill Amongst others - democrat party
Burning cities!? - democrat run cities
Anarchy!? - democrat run cities

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Old 06-03-2020, 06:44 PM   #4
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I just don’t understand why these folks can’t see that all of their core issues are a direct result of the Democratic Party. Yet they continue to vote for them.

Crap schools? Democrat party
KKK? Democrat party
Slavery? Democrat party
Poverty? Incentivized through the nanny state - democrat party
Fatherless Homes (THE absolute core issue in my opinion) - incentivized BY...... the Democrat party
Police system racism - crime bill Amongst others - democrat party
Burning cities!? - democrat run cities
Anarchy!? - democrat run cities
I'm with you until this one. This is semantics. The Democratic party in that day in age was fairly equivalent to modern day Republicans.

The bottom line is our country has gone way past liberal/left and things ain't good!
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:08 PM   #5
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I'm with you until this one. This is semantics. The Democratic party in that day in age was fairly equivalent to modern day Republicans.

The bottom line is our country has gone way past liberal/left and things ain't good!
Fairly equivalent in what ways?

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But you are 100% correct. The democrat party as a whole have lost their ever loving minds.
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Old 06-03-2020, 07:19 PM   #7
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In Mn, if the 2nd degree murder charges had not been added, the other 3 former cops could not have been charged.

So even if Chauvin is found guilty of the 3rd degree murder charge at trial at least the other 3 will also get some sort of sentence too.
2 of the (former)officers were also kneeling on him, his back and legs.
The only one I can see possibly getting only a slap on the writs was the Asian guy who was just standing and keeping people away.
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:11 PM   #8
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Default Keith Ellison raising charges to 2nd Degree Murder

Chauvin may as well stick a gun in his mouth
If he is convicted then He will be dead in prison in a week
If he walks he will be dead in the street in a week.




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Old 06-03-2020, 08:29 PM   #9
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I hope they stick him with whatever they can. IMO he deserves it.
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:31 PM   #10
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Better late than never. Looking forward to convictions for all 4 former cops / current losers.
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:32 PM   #11
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Oh I think we all can agree he deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law !
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Old 06-03-2020, 08:52 PM   #12
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Oh I think we all can agree he deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law !
Agree as well... LEO supporter but wrong is wrong
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Old 06-03-2020, 09:30 PM   #13
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In Mn, if the 2nd degree murder charges had not been added, the other 3 former cops could not have been charged.

So even if Chauvin is found guilty of the 3rd degree murder charge at trial at least the other 3 will also get some sort of sentence too.
2 of the (former)officers were also kneeling on him, his back and legs.
The only one I can see possibly getting only a slap on the writs was the Asian guy who was just standing and keeping people away.
Thatís not how that works. You canít go to trial for 2nd degree murder and the jury find him guilty of 3rd. The state either proves its burden of proof for the charges leveled or he walks. They donít get to move the goal post. And they canít go back later and try to convict on a lesser charge for the same crime
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Thatís not how that works. You canít go to trial for 2nd degree murder and the jury find him guilty of 3rd. The state either proves its burden of proof for the charges leveled or he walks. They donít get to move the goal post. And they canít go back later and try to convict on a lesser charge for the same crime
I agree. If they miss on the 2nd degree charge I donít think itís automatic that they get him on 3rd degree.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:06 AM   #15
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I heard yesterday evening on the news (I think Locak KPRC in Houston) that he had 2nd degree murder AND manslaughter charges... The manslaughter charges were the first leveled and did not change, but remain in place... That sort of gives 'em an out...
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:17 AM   #16
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The CAIR and Muslim brotherhood associated Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison is raising the charges on Derek Chavin(sp? To 2nd degree murder. Problem is they must prove intent. Ellison knows the law! He must know that charge will fail and this guy might walk on a technicality.
I think itís intentional. It gives the people a perceived win NOW. I look for them to fastrack this trial and a verdict will be rendered just prior to Election Day in November. Can you imagine the riots, unrest and all out pandemonium this country may see if Chauvin walks on a technicality

Something to think about.
I think you might be right and I have thought all along they might raise the charge level so he could walk on a hung jury or no bill.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:26 AM   #17
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Since we're throwing out guesses/opinions out before knowing all the facts... I hope he walks scott free.

Sure no one deserves to die like that and the LEO was wrong..But I'll save my judgement for someone with a rap sheet less than the length of both my arms.

Put it this way. If TBH knew the details of his crimes he was convicted of they would have convicted him to death row 5-8 guilty verdicts ago.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:39 AM   #18
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I think they have a chance at 2nd degree. 3rd would have been much easier and the time served will probably be about the same. Seems like an unnecessary reach to me.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:46 AM   #19
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The CAIR and Muslim brotherhood associated Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison is raising the charges on Derek Chavin(sp? To 2nd degree murder. Problem is they must prove intent. Ellison knows the law! He must know that charge will fail and this guy might walk on a technicality.
I think itís intentional. It gives the people a perceived win NOW. I look for them to fastrack this trial and a verdict will be rendered just prior to Election Day in November. Can you imagine the riots, unrest and all out pandemonium this country may see if Chauvin walks on a technicality

Something to think about.
MN, like most states, allows a person being convicted of any lesser offense.

The ďoverchargingĒ someone might be a valid argument in some states but not in most of them.

This is what MN law says on a lesser included offense. If charged in a crime they can convict you of any offense including any lesser degree of the same crime, just attempting the crime or any other offense including down to a misdemeanor. The only restriction is that you have to pick one or the other.

609.04 CONVICTION OF LESSER OFFENSE.
Subdivision 1.Lesser offense prosecution. Upon prosecution for a crime, the actor may be convicted of either the crime charged or an included offense, but not both. An included offense may be any of the following:
(1) a lesser degree of the same crime; or
(2) an attempt to commit the crime charged; or
(3) an attempt to commit a lesser degree of the same crime; or
(4) a crime necessarily proved if the crime charged were proved; or
(5) a petty misdemeanor necessarily proved if the misdemeanor charge were proved.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:49 AM   #20
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Meaning.....
They charge the highest crime that the state “might”be able to prove and the jury can pick that or anything else. If the state undercharges a person, the jury cannot go higher. So you charge the highest and go from there. It is generally that way in Texas.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:53 AM   #21
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This former federal prosecutor thinks it's a mistake:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...ril-good-cops/
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