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Old 12-14-2018, 06:50 PM   #151
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Interested in a tier one in 6.5x284. Can we make that happen? Would like similar recoil as my .260 yíall built for me?
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Old 12-14-2018, 07:09 PM   #152
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Interested in a tier one in 6.5x284. Can we make that happen? Would like similar recoil as my .260 yíall built for me?
It can happen on a long action for sure.
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Old 12-14-2018, 07:17 PM   #153
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Just did some testing and the new 300PRC works good with the bdl set up. So its a go!

Just as an FYI, the 6.5 SAUM works well in the bdl set up with no mods. The 6.5PRC is for sure a no go on an unmodified mag box, but we already knew that. We just built one on a long action to test and it turned out great. Probably the slickest feeding I have seen yet. It will add 1/2" to the overall length and a few more ounces, but well worth the small sacrifice. Plus if you ever get tired of it or want to step up in power, its a simple barrel swap away to any of the mags.
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Old 12-14-2018, 10:31 PM   #154
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Tier 1 with detachable mag option and shorter barrel options. 20-22"

I was going to get you to build me a lightweight hunter next year anyway but was going to stay with steel bbl. Just because I dont know enough about the carbon. I'm rough on equipment. Needs barrel length options
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Old 12-15-2018, 08:19 AM   #155
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What is the brand/model of that stock? Iíd like to look online for some pictures of some painted and finished rifles.
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Old 12-15-2018, 08:29 AM   #156
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Just did some testing and the new 300PRC works good with the bdl set up. So its a go!

Just as an FYI, the 6.5 SAUM works well in the bdl set up with no mods. The 6.5PRC is for sure a no go on an unmodified mag box, but we already knew that. We just built one on a long action to test and it turned out great. Probably the slickest feeding I have seen yet. It will add 1/2" to the overall length and a few more ounces, but well worth the small sacrifice. Plus if you ever get tired of it or want to step up in power, its a simple barrel swap away to any of the mags.
Crapppppp.... I just sold my 300 rum and put aside some of the cash for a future 300prc....

I want to do a 22-250 this round.... not a 22-250 and a 300 PRC
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:36 AM   #157
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:44 AM   #158
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Just did some testing and the new 300PRC works good with the bdl set up. So its a go!

Just as an FYI, the 6.5 SAUM works well in the bdl set up with no mods. The 6.5PRC is for sure a no go on an unmodified mag box, but we already knew that. We just built one on a long action to test and it turned out great. Probably the slickest feeding I have seen yet. It will add 1/2" to the overall length and a few more ounces, but well worth the small sacrifice. Plus if you ever get tired of it or want to step up in power, its a simple barrel swap away to any of the mags.


So the 6.5 PRC is a no go in either option?
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:21 AM   #159
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So the 6.5 PRC is a no go in either option?
It will work fine in the long action
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:25 AM   #160
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When the stock comes in and I hear back from a couple folks next week, I'll have everything I need to make an "official"post with all of the details and pricing. This is going to be a smoking deal based on what I've got back so far. Hang tight, its going to be worth the wait!
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:17 PM   #161
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When the stock comes in and I hear back from a couple folks next week, I'll have everything I need to make an "official"post with all of the details and pricing. This is going to be a smoking deal based on what I've got back so far. Hang tight, its going to be worth the wait!
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Old 12-15-2018, 04:05 PM   #162
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Momma wants a 7.08 so guess we're waiting for the official word.

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Old 12-15-2018, 04:13 PM   #163
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I'm in for a 280AI, not sure which tier is best for that caliber. It will be a deer stand gun,
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Old 12-15-2018, 04:23 PM   #164
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No ultra-lite for me. Light guns = more recoil, and Iím not interested in a brake at all.
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:07 PM   #165
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:24 PM   #166
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I have received several inquiries about my comments on the 6.5 PRC on this short action. I think there is some confusion, so I'll try to clarify here. I may try to grab a pic of the ejector set up tomorrow so it will make better sense.

The facts:
1. Remington style mag box for BDL or floor plate setups = approx 2.880" internal length.
2. Accurate or AICS pattern detachable magazines w/o binder = approx 2.950" internal length.
3. The factory loaded 6.5 PRC rounds from Hornady = avg 2.945" in overall length

So you can see the problem clearly. They will not fit in a standard S/A Remington style mag box and JUST BARELY fit in a S/A detachable magazine. This cartridge is marketed as a short action round, but does not fit well in a number of short actions without some type of modification. It is very much like the 6.5-284 in the fact that it can be forced into a short action, but probably would be better in a true medium or long action.

That said, the typical fix for this on Remingtons and similarly configured customs is to install a Wyatt's extended mag box. This adds about .110" of extra length as compared to the original. Material from the rear of the mag well is machined away to make room for the longer mag box. This solves the problem on push feeds like Remington, Stiller, etc. that have both the ejector and extractor located on the bolt face. However most controlled round feeds have the ejector located somewhere at the back of the mag well, which is right where the material needs to be removed for the modification.

The good news about the mechanical ejector is that your brass is going to eject every time.....it doesn't have a choice. It's the most dependable system of the two. The bad news is it doesn't lend itself to altering or trying to stretch the magwell length to accommodate cartridges longer than it was intended to run.

Knowing all of that should help you make a more informed choice when deciding whether or not to build a 6.5 PRC on this action. There are several ways to go with this if you still want a 6.5 PRC on this build. And it really is an awesome round that brings man bun level accuracy with increased horsepower to the table.

Option 1 - Do what the 6.5-284 guys figured out a long, long time ago. Build it on a long action and have more room than you'll ever need and the super smooth feeding that comes with it while preserving all of the mechanical ejection designed into the action. The trade-off here is that your overall build will be about 1/2" longer and weigh about 3-4 ounces more. In other words - not much.

Option 2 - Build it on a short action using detachable bottom metal. It just barely fits, but it does fit.The trade-off here is that you are starting at the finish line. As your throat starts to wear forward, you have absolutely zero room to follow it. How many rounds will that be? I don't know. I set our reamer up with a shorter freebore than the SAAMI version so it is customized to the Hornady factory ammo itself. That alone should make it last a little longer, but you will still run out of road eventually if you hand load. None of this may matter if you don't plan to load.

Option 3 - This one is a maybe at best. I will be working on the ejector geometry this week to see if I can coax a little more force out of it when running the extended mag modification. I posted earlier that I had done this in testing already and was able to make it work, but positive ejection was on the verge of being gone. We are going to go back and start working forward from where we stopped last time and try to get every .001" of ejector protrusion we can get without crowding the mag box. Trade offs here are additional cost of extended mag box and weaker ejection.

Options 4 thru 9 - Don't build a 6.5 PRC on this action. Ask us about other alternatives(though there won't be many at this price-point). Wait for the next TBH deal to roll around as it will likely be on a different action. Send us the action you want to build on and we'll take care of you with the rest. Call Hornady and ask them what the hell they were thinking making the OAL 2.950" when everybody else involved with the project thought they were solving all the issues associated with 6.5 mags in short actions. Give up and build another Creedmoor. Sorry, that last one was out of habit.

Anybody want to talk about the quirks of building a 300PRC?
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:03 PM   #167
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Anybody want to talk about the quirks of building a 300PRC?

Actually, yes. What are your thoughts on the 300 PRC?
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Old 12-15-2018, 10:05 PM   #168
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Old 12-15-2018, 11:34 PM   #169
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Actually, yes. What are your thoughts on the 300 PRC?

Somebody finally figured out how to make a 300WM not fit in a magazine! Just kidding...kind of. I expect it to take off based on the calls we are getting on it. Really have not had any issues getting it to fit in a BDL type set up. It does however need CIP length magazines to run in a DBM system. So kind of the opposite issues of the 6.5PRC. Go figure.
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Old 12-16-2018, 12:26 AM   #170
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is this build on one caliber or is there a choice?
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:01 AM   #171
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is this build on one caliber or is there a choice?
Caliber of choice for the most part.
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:32 AM   #172
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I might be interested in a tier 1 7mm rem mag
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:05 AM   #173
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Kicking myself for not doing last yearís build. Very interested in the Tier 1 this year.


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Old 12-16-2018, 09:30 AM   #174
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:46 AM   #175
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These actions have interested me for a 375 h&h build. But the light weight part scares me LOL. Is this a caliber you can accommodate with these builds?
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:51 AM   #176
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And the actions are the TL actions right? No wood stock options? (Obviously it would differ from the group but stock. Just thinking on the 375. I fell in love with the TL the first time I saw one
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Old 12-16-2018, 01:18 PM   #177
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I would be in again if it was the ultralight version. Iíve been keeping my eyes open for a Cooper Backcountry but a full custom that is only 3/4-1 pound heavier at a lower price point would have me changing my mind.
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Old 12-16-2018, 04:36 PM   #178
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These actions have interested me for a 375 h&h build. But the light weight part scares me LOL. Is this a caliber you can accommodate with these builds?
Yes, the 375H&H is very doable and we have 4 of them in the works right now. One is a high grade wood blank on the case colored receiver that should be a stunner. I would not use this particular blueprint for a 375 H&H build personally, but it could be done. McMillan is doing a new walnut like molded finish that should make for a real classic look, yet still retain the bomb-proof stability of a good synthetic. I'm doing this with a red pad, case colored receiver and banded front sight on my personal 375 project right now. It will look the part, but still be weather proof.....mostly. Yes, the TL was the base for these actions. They have both been modified from the original design to meet our specs.
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Old 12-16-2018, 04:38 PM   #179
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Whatever you want, if it fits and functions in the actions.
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Old 12-16-2018, 05:02 PM   #180
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Here are the pics I took today to go along with my explanation in post #166 above concerning the 6.5 PRC on short action builds for this deal.

This is a 6.5PRC factory round in a standard short action mag box.


This is a 6.5 PRC factory round in a Wyatt's extended mag box.


This is the area at the back of the mag well that has to be milled for the extended box.


And here is where things get tricky. You can see the ejector will have to be shortened to keep from encroaching into the space of the extended mag box.


You can also see here how shortening the ejector will be reduce it's mechanical advantage over the case being cleared from the bolt face. The shorter it gets, the less force it will have clearing empties.


Hopefully this clears up the confusion about why we are recommending long actions for those wanting to do 6.5 PRC builds on this year's TBH deal.

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Old 12-16-2018, 05:15 PM   #181
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Here are the pics I took today to go along with my explanation in post #166 above concerning the 6.5 PRC on short action builds for this deal.

This is a 6.5PRC factory round in a standard short action mag box.


This is a 6.5 PRC factory round in a Wyatt's extended mag box.


This is the area at the back of the mag well that has to be milled for the extended box.


And here is where things get tricky. You can see the ejector will have to be shortened to keep from encroaching into the space of the extended mag box.


You can also see here how shortening the ejector will be reduce it's mechanical advantage over the case being cleared from the bolt face. The shorter it gets, the less force it will have clearing empties.


Hopefully this clears up the confusion about why we are recommending long actions for those wanting to do 6.5 PRC builds on this year's TBH deal.


Hmmmm I thought the PRC was built to run in a short action.


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Yes, the 375H&H is very doable and we have 4 of them in the works right now. One is a high grade wood blank on the case colored receiver that should be a stunner. I would not use this particular blueprint for a 375 H&H build personally, but it could be done. McMillan is doing a new walnut like molded finish that should make for a real classic look, yet still retain the bomb-proof stability of a good synthetic. I'm doing this with a red pad, case colored receiver and banded front sight on my personal 375 project right now. It will look the part, but still be weather proof.....mostly. Yes, the TL was the base for these actions. They have both been modified from the original design to meet our specs.

I lean towards real wood to help mitigate recoil. Is that one of the new McMillan stocks? I havenít seen one in person yet but that looks amazingly realistic. Whatís the cost on that case color action? Feel free to PM if itíll derail this thread. Iíll keep an eye out for pricing too on this carbon deal
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Me too, 5.75 lbs, Jewell trigger and 1/2" guarantee. What's not to like.
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So did everyone else. Built to run in "some" short actions would be a better description. Lol. Like I stated earlier, it can be squeezed into service by going DBM. The frustrating part is, they would not have been giving up much performance by seating the bullet a little deeper to run in all short action platforms.

The first gen reamer produced was set up for exactly that. Then the ammo that was released later showed up at 2.945". I still have that original reamer, but it would cause big problems with the factory ammo thats out there now. This is the reason we weren't building any late last year. We had a couple already done when the first batch of ammo arrived, but got a big surprise when we started measuring it.

Not knocking the round as all of that can be worked around. I'm currently running 2 of them and couldn't be more pleased with accuracy and performance. One of them is running North of 3.100fps with the 147 factory load and prints tiny little groups.

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Old 12-16-2018, 08:43 PM   #185
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A tier 1 in 6 creed would be a sweeeet coyote calling rifle as well as deer gun.
Robert how do you like the 6 creed? They shoot as well with factory ammo as the 6.5? I reload, but with 2 little girls under 3 i just don't have the time right now. My custom 6.5 shoots so well with hornady ammo out to 1k I don't see the need to.
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A tier 1 in 6 creed would be a sweeeet coyote calling rifle as well as deer gun.
Robert how do you like the 6 creed? They shoot as well with factory ammo as the 6.5? I reload, but with 2 little girls under 3 i just don't have the time right now. My custom 6.5 shoots so well with hornady ammo out to 1k I don't see the need to.
You'll like it plenty. Not as many factory offerings obviously, but what is available tends to shoot pretty good.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:10 PM   #187
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:19 PM   #188
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:40 PM   #190
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You'll like it plenty. Not as many factory offerings obviously, but what is available tends to shoot pretty good.
What would optimal bbl length in one be? 24" in a lightweight build I'd definitely not go longer than 24 and would like 22" or even 20" if it wouldn't be too inefficient.
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:57 PM   #191
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might be in for one probably tier 1.. looking at a backpack gun so I will wait around and see what the final prduct/price looks like
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Old 12-17-2018, 12:59 PM   #192
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I'm not letting myself miss this one like I did the last.

I'd be in for either a lightweight varmint rifle in a 22 creed or 6mm creed, or a mountain rifle in 280 AI.

Will the stock have a fairly wide forend? Also I would like to see it with flush cups for a sling on the sides. And if I'm getting real picky maybe a spot underneath in the middle to attach an arca swiss plate for tripod mounts?
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Old 12-17-2018, 01:59 PM   #193
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When the stock comes in and I hear back from a couple folks next week, I'll have everything I need to make an "official"post with all of the details and pricing. This is going to be a smoking deal based on what I've got back so far. Hang tight, its going to be worth the wait!
Let us know so I can find out when my divorce date is............. I am not going to miss out on this deal again even if I am going to get in trouble.
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Old 12-17-2018, 06:17 PM   #194
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Actual G2 action for comparison


No open bridge
I would prefer no open bridge could this action be subbed for the tier 1?
Iíll be in for either the 6.5prc in a long or a 22 creedmoor in a short.
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Old 12-17-2018, 08:46 PM   #195
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Does for sure need flush cup options
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Old 12-18-2018, 06:28 AM   #196
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Does for sure need flush cup options
A flush mlok channel would be awesome in place of the picatinny rail.
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Old 12-18-2018, 06:28 AM   #197
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My biggest concern right now is if I go this route, what caliber do I get?
Definetly considering tier 1 but if I go to a .30 caliber I’ll pobably opt for tier two.

My primary deer rifles are my .280 and 25/06 and .264 win mag
Have a heavy barrel 22-250 for smaller stuff.
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Old 12-18-2018, 08:34 AM   #198
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I would prefer no open bridge could this action be subbed for the tier 1?
Iíll be in for either the 6.5prc in a long or a 22 creedmoor in a short.
I think I'd prefer the no open bridge as well.
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Old 12-18-2018, 09:11 AM   #199
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My biggest concern right now is if I go this route, what caliber do I get?
Definetly considering tier 1 but if I go to a .30 caliber Iíll pobably opt for tier two.

My primary deer rifles are my .280 and 25/06 and .264 win mag
Have a heavy barrel 22-250 for smaller stuff.
I am in the same boat. I was thinking 300wsm, but not sure I want to be on the receiving end of that in a light gun. I wish I would have not already done a 7-08 in last years build. I really want to go bigger for this one, but may have to change my mind. I don't reload, so I can't really go with any fancy calibers.
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Old 12-18-2018, 09:17 AM   #200
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Is anyone thinking of going with the 300 PRC or do yall think with it being a lighter gun and that caliber it might not be smart? Im not a gun guy so just needing some info!
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