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Old 12-12-2018, 05:22 PM   #1
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I have received several pm’s asking about a TBH special for 2019, and it has popped up in a few posts recently as well. Are we going to do a 2019 TBH special? Well………Hell yeah!!!!! This is usually the most fun project of the year.

So now that that’s decided, I have NO IDEA what the final build will look like. This is the fun part, figuring it all out. It could be anything from a heavy long range build, to an ultralight hunter, to a chassis based PRS style rig, to a 2 mile ELR rig, to a………………………………………………..whatever we want it to be.

I’m going to say this, 2018 DID NOT run as smoothly as we wanted it to. Lessons were learned as deadlines were being blown repeatedly. I think there are still 3 folks waiting on actions that STILL don’t exist! Out of that mess came new products and new supplier relationships that give us far more control of everything involved from delivery times to overall quality. Some of the new things we have to work with this year are 2 new actions, a new carbon fiber stock, a new steel barrel supplier that hits dates and targets, a better designed bottom metal and possibly a new carbon fiber barrel that is showing a lot of promise. Whatever direction we decide to go, keep in mind that using any of those components will yield quality products, big savings and solid delivery times.

As always we will try to keep whatever this ends up being as affordable as we possibly can. Anybody that can do simple math can add up the parts costs of previous specials and see that we don’t do this deal for the money, as the discounts are beyond significant. It is something we ONLY do here and only for our TBH family. All of that to say…it ain’t going to be as cheap as a factory rifle, but it will be a chance to get a high quality custom build at the best price you are going to find outside of building it yourself.

Here’s my thoughts and I’ll leave it with ya’ll to run with some of your ideas for a while. I’m thinking light weight, all carbon long range hunter. I say that because we already have the 3 main ingredients worked out. Our Hunter action, our carbon fiber barrel and and a vertical grip carbon fiber stock. Should hit somewhere around the 6 1/2 lbs mark. It would look something like this (unfinished and I just threw this together as a mock up to get an idea).





On the other hand…….we have not done a heavy build and we have the new G2 actions coming in soon. Decisions, decisions. Start throwing out your ideas here and let’s see where we land!

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Old 12-12-2018, 05:25 PM   #2
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I would be very interested in an ultra light hunter.
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:32 PM   #3
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In for specs on the full carbon rig. That's awesome and exactly what I'm looking for.
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:33 PM   #4
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I like it already. I would be interested in a light model as well. 6.5-7 lbs is a good weight. What stock is that in the picture? Can’t wait.
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:35 PM   #5
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I'd prefer heavy but in to see what the group comes up with.
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:36 PM   #6
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I will be in for the ultralight
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:38 PM   #7
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I Like the gun above, will this rifle be capable of 1000-1500 yd range. I would love to have a thumper to reach out there snipetac possibly?
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:39 PM   #8
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An ultralight hunter sounds very interesting.
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:42 PM   #9
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Let me clarify my opinion. I would love a ultralight but I do not need it to be long range...... already spent too much money on a long range gun. I would be interested in the lightest gun possible.
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:42 PM   #10
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I dare you not to chamber it in 6.5 Creedmoor.....
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:44 PM   #11
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I dare you not to chamber it in 6.5 Creedmoor.....
That should bring the build total to around.......3?
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:45 PM   #12
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That should bring the build total to around.......3?
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Old 12-12-2018, 05:45 PM   #13
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I know this is irrelevant due to a new build but what was the average cost of the 2018 build?

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Old 12-12-2018, 05:57 PM   #14
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Man, I’ve been wanting an APR rig for a bit. A light weight long range Hunter would be pretty sweet.
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Old 12-12-2018, 06:00 PM   #15
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I’m in (hopefully) for whatever y’all come up with
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Old 12-12-2018, 06:09 PM   #16
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Ultra light with a couple different stock options.
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Old 12-12-2018, 06:11 PM   #17
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How big a wrench would a min saami no turn 220 Russian repeater mess up the works??

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Old 12-12-2018, 06:16 PM   #18
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My vote is if we go light this year, plan to go heavy next year...

If some things fall into place I might be in... But I can't start counting chickens
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Old 12-12-2018, 06:25 PM   #19
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Need to start saving pennies now, I’m in for an UltraLight build.
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Old 12-12-2018, 06:45 PM   #20
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I would like a light weight mountain rifle. Right now, my lightweight rifle is 12lbs.
Probably stick with 6.5 SAUM if you can do a magnum action.
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:06 PM   #21
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Add me to the list for an ultralight.
Moch up photo even looks great.
Any idea on pricing as pictured?
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:08 PM   #22
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I'd be interested in the heavy
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:20 PM   #23
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Since I already have a light weight carbon fiber build, I'd be more interested in a heavy build. Honestly I'm still kicking myself for not getting in on last years build as it's perfect. Oh well. That said if the decision is made to go light weight I might be interested in it too but I'm pretty sure it will be out of my price range. Carbon fiber builds aren't cheap at all.

Heck how about another build similar to last years. More of an all around hunting rifle, maybe just change up the stock and obviously go with y'all new action. Seems there was a lot of us that missed it. Seems like the all around rifle would be more appealing to a bigger group. Just an idea. I'll see what the group decides and go from there.

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Old 12-12-2018, 07:28 PM   #24
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I would like a light weight mountain rifle. Right now, my lightweight rifle is 12lbs.
Probably stick with 6.5 SAUM if you can do a magnum action.

The SAUM thing brings up a good point Jake. About the only issue I have seen with the Hunter and G2 actions design is the ability to accommodate the longer rounds for a particular action. The old saying about everything being a compromise is true in this case.

So the good: you get controlled round feed + mechanical ejector = super reliable feeding and ejecting.

The Bad: That mechanical ejector sits at the back of the mag well in the same area you would need to machine out to install a wyatt's mag box to accommodate longer rounds.

The bottom line: I have played around with running a wyatt's in them and can make it work. But it comes at the cost of positive ejection. By the time you trim the ejector back enough to work with the Wyatt's box, the empty cases will just barely clear the the port. You have to run the bolt with purpose to make it 100% reliable. I feel like the SAUM would certainly stand a better chance of running in an unmodified mag box as compared to the PRC.

I also think some of the RUMs would have the same issue in the Long action versions. The Nosler rounds may be better suited for these builds. We are playing with a PRC on a long action now. It seems it may be worth taking the 1/2" penalty without any of the feed/ejection issues of trying to make it work in the short.
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:29 PM   #25
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How big a wrench would a min saami no turn 220 Russian repeater mess up the works??

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Old 12-12-2018, 07:32 PM   #26
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I'll vote for something more similar to the last TBH Special. All that carbon fiber looks expensive!
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:33 PM   #27
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so far
light = 13
Heavy = 3
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:34 PM   #28
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I'm in...would prefer heavy but good with whatever
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:34 PM   #29
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You know my vote and you dang near nailed it in the pic.

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Old 12-12-2018, 07:35 PM   #30
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I'll vote for something more similar to the last TBH Special. All that carbon fiber looks expensive!
It normally would be....but we kinda got the hookup on this one
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:36 PM   #31
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In for the ultra light!
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:37 PM   #32
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:37 PM   #33
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Can we keep it under 2k
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:39 PM   #34
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The more I think about it the more I like the idea of the light build.
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:42 PM   #35
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Light weight and carbon fiber!!!!

I 100% agree!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:43 PM   #36
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I am liking the lite build.
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:46 PM   #37
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With the lightweight taking an early lead, a few questions:

1. Accuracy potential of the CFB compared to steel?
2. I assume you can easily paint the CF stock?
3. Long action? I thought I saw that the G2 was only a short action.
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:51 PM   #38
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Also, what is the expected barrel life in one of these carbon fiber barrels? Not that I will ever shoot one out, just wondering incase someone does a lot more shooting than me every year.
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:52 PM   #39
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Light for me depending on price!
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:55 PM   #40
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I vote heavy and a short action to accommodate a 6.5 SAUM
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:55 PM   #41
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It normally would be....but we kinda got the hookup on this one
What kinda ball park are we talking?
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:55 PM   #42
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Light build sounds good
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:58 PM   #43
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Can we keep it under 2k
We can probably keep it close, but I doubt we can get under that without giving up either a custom action, cut-rifled barrel or higher end stock. We are able to save some $$ on actions this time even with the Curtis versions being pretty much at cost last year. Barrel costs will be about the same on steel, or a little bit higher with carbon. The grayboe from last year was about the best for the $$ at the time, but we have a chance to get a MUCH nicer/lighter CF stock on this one for not much more money than last year's. I think we can pull off a carbon/carbon build for a similar price as last years. If it comes in a couple hundred more, it will still be cheaper by about $1K than anything out there in the custom world on that type of build.

Another option would be a carbon/steel build for a lighter mid-weight rig with the APR contour. It would come in right under 7 lbs and be a little cheaper.I hate going any smaller on the contour since most guys are going to want a threaded muzzle. Ratchet fluting would take out the most weight.
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Old 12-12-2018, 07:59 PM   #44
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What kinda ball park are we talking?
Close to last years pricing
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:03 PM   #45
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Close to last years pricing
in that case no one will be able to pass this deal up.
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:11 PM   #46
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If it’s a hunter light? Count me in!

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Old 12-12-2018, 08:12 PM   #47
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I'm a weirdo...

I'll just call ya when I'm ready & do it my way...nobody's gonna have that commie reamer handy anyway dangit.
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:26 PM   #48
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I'm a weirdo...

I'll just call ya when I'm ready & do it my way...nobody's gonna have that commie reamer handy anyway dangit.
Lol. Pretty sure I'd enjoy the conversation. Didn't all the Russian runners convert to BR cases already?
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:42 PM   #49
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Yeah, I know...still, there is something sexy about that little case just the way it comes from Lapua that has always intrigued me ever since I got into the PPC over 20 year ago & hasn't let go for some bizarre reason.

I was like heck here's this cool 220 round...man, if I could just avoid all the case prep, load this critter & go kill something?? What's wrong with that??
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Old 12-12-2018, 08:44 PM   #50
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Will left hand be an option?
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