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Old 03-03-2021, 12:41 PM   #1
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Default PEX Freeze and Burst - Odd Plumbing or Standard?

We had one pipe freeze and burst, it was in an uninsulated garage wall down to a water hose spigot.



I was thinking this was all CPVC as that was what was in the attic. Until I opened up the wall and found this:











You can see where it burst in the PEX.



Can any plumbers on here tell me if this is standard with or if this is just half assed?
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:36 PM   #2
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I'm not sure about standard(what is standard anymore lol), but nothing wrong with it imo.
Most likely it was the quickest & easiest way to make the connection with what the plumber had, or maybe that is standard for him.
I know pex can bust, bust that's a first for me.
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:37 PM   #3
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Just curious, did the wall have insulation, or the pipe have any type of insulation wrapped around it?
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:49 PM   #4
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I had alot of pex outside fully exposed that didn't burst, all froze solid but no ruptures
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:56 PM   #5
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What brand or type is that?
I'm used to seeing the newer style and that is red/blue
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:04 PM   #6
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I think that most new home construction in the Houston area uses Pex.
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:08 PM   #7
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supposedly, pex will freeze and expand up to twice normal size without bursting.... my guess is that a piece as short as that had no room to expand
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:12 PM   #8
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There are different manufacturing processes for pex and some are more flexible than others. Perhaps this was a "less flexible" version. I had some pex outside that froze solid (sprinker and animal watering systems) and zero damage.
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:13 PM   #9
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What brand or type is that?
I'm used to seeing the newer style and that is red/blue
My hose bibbs were all run in White Pex since they were tapped off before the water softener. My guess is the plumber only had pex elbows with the ears on his truck. Now would be a good opportunity to install a frost free hose bibb and heat trace the drop so it does not freeze in the future.
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:21 PM   #10
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That doesn't appear to be PEX.
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Old 03-03-2021, 06:34 PM   #11
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Just curious, did the wall have insulation, or the pipe have any type of insulation wrapped around it?
As stated in the OP, the wall was uninsulated, the pipe had the black foam pipe insulation.
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Old 03-03-2021, 06:35 PM   #12
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There are different manufacturing processes for pex and some are more flexible than others. Perhaps this was a "less flexible" version. I had some pex outside that froze solid (sprinker and animal watering systems) and zero damage.
I was told today the white PEX is less durable against freezing than the red and blue.
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Old 03-03-2021, 06:36 PM   #13
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supposedly, pex will freeze and expand up to twice normal size without bursting.... my guess is that a piece as short as that had no room to expand
Agree with this guess, thatís what I was thinking as well.
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Old 03-03-2021, 06:52 PM   #14
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I was told today the white PEX is less durable against freezing than the red and blue.
Color is just for identification:

PEX tubing normally falls into two main categories: PEX with an oxygen barrier and PEX without an oxygen barrier. PEX with an oxygen barrier is designed for closed-loop space heating systems, and will normally be either red or white. It is usually not approved for use with potable water. PEX without an oxygen barrier is designed primarily for use in potable water plumbing systems. It is available in red, blue, and white to make classification of water lines easier (red for hot, blue for cold, white for supply lines or single-color systems). The color of PEX does not change any of the tubingís ratings.

http://blog.supplyhouse.com/the-colors-of-pex-tubing/
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Old 03-03-2021, 07:19 PM   #15
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That doesn't appear to be PEX.
SCHD 20 to pex fittings, with pex compression rings ?
😂😂😂😂🤦*♂️ if so.
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Old 03-03-2021, 07:25 PM   #16
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I’ve been under a lot of houses. replaced it all it will all bust infact more cpvc and pex than copper. But that could be just less copper lines in our area
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Old 03-03-2021, 08:10 PM   #17
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Color is just for identification:

PEX tubing normally falls into two main categories: PEX with an oxygen barrier and PEX without an oxygen barrier. PEX with an oxygen barrier is designed for closed-loop space heating systems, and will normally be either red or white. It is usually not approved for use with potable water. PEX without an oxygen barrier is designed primarily for use in potable water plumbing systems. It is available in red, blue, and white to make classification of water lines easier (red for hot, blue for cold, white for supply lines or single-color systems). The color of PEX does not change any of the tubingís ratings.

http://blog.supplyhouse.com/the-colors-of-pex-tubing/
I was going to clarify that the guy that told me that didnít sleep at a Holiday Inn last night... thanks for posting that, good to have some facts every now and then.
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