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Old 02-23-2021, 07:10 PM   #1
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So besides a trade school, what are some certifications or ???, that might be worth looking into. I ask because as we know a good portion of people with degrees are not working in that field. My son isnít sure if college is for him, so Iím trying to see what other options there might be.

Thanks for the input in advance.
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Old 02-23-2021, 07:23 PM   #2
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military is a good option learn a lot about what he or she wants to do.
good place to learn discipline how to get along with all kinds of people .

See places they might never have a chance to see. Then have a better idea of what they want to do

when he gets out then va will help pay for some kind of formal training

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Old 02-23-2021, 07:27 PM   #3
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Just curious, why not trade school?
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Old 02-23-2021, 07:32 PM   #4
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Just trying to think of everything to share w/ him. He has no clue what he wants to do.
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Old 02-23-2021, 07:33 PM   #5
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Just trying to think of everything to share w/ him. He has no clue what he wants to do.
What does he love to do?
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Old 02-23-2021, 07:44 PM   #6
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If he doesnít mind traveling he could join up with a heavy haul company and get trained up in house. If you have ambition and a good work ethic with time it can be very lucrative. Mammoet, Barnhart, Fagioli etc....


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Old 02-23-2021, 07:57 PM   #7
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Go work on a tow boat. Start as a deckhand , work your way through tankerman school then get your pilots license
Different life style but can be lucrative.


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Old 02-23-2021, 07:58 PM   #8
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You can pick any construction trade and make **** good money, some more than other.
"If you stay with it".
Seems kids job hop a lot nowdays.
Stick with it, and learn it well.
Most places will pay for you to get your certs(education).
By the time your in your late 20's you should be more than able to start your own business.
Well before then, if you apply yourself.
If you didn't know,, Texas construction is booming !
DFW was short around 40k workers last yr, in the construction trade.
Texas is probably the easiest state in US, to become a very wealthy person, without any education.
Good luck with whatever he chooses.

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Old 02-23-2021, 08:02 PM   #9
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Go work on a tow boat. Start as a deckhand , work your way through tankerman school then get your pilots license
Different life style but can be lucrative.


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Have 2 cousins that do/did that.
1 quit last yr, couldn't take it anymore.
It does have it's perks, and captain is attainable by just anyone that works towards that goal.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:03 PM   #10
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In addition to what’s above, drafting or 3D design work although in Texas the O&G issues may not make that a great timing choice.

Drafting (ProE or solidworks cert) local options or Design Engine in Chicago for small class type stuff

Machinist, wherever work could be found as a helper or the community college. Learn to code CNC. HAAS or community college

NDT (Texas NDT)

Welding (Weld schools or community college)

Or other general trades like millwright, plumbing, hvac etc.

Start his own business. Home flooring, or whatever he may have a knack for.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:03 PM   #11
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I'll go with the join the military crowd. Have some fun, see the world and maybe learn a skill or two. Heavy equipment operator or something else with engineers or Seabees. If an option I would go Coast Guard. As said before the VA will help with education after service, and not just college, as well as VA benefits for home loans, etc......Navy is best chance to travel, Coast Guard has the best duty stations, Air Force is easiest and best chow, Army has a lot of different opportunities but also good chance of staying in the U.S., Marines, I'm veteran, limited duty stations and chow is nothing compared to all the others and I've served on all the different branch bases and by and large the other branches are treated better and more chances of lateral movements and opportunities.

I went in as infantry but got moved to Cryptologic Intelligence in Marines, thank god. Should have listened to my dad and gone in Coast Guard or Engineers and operated heavy equipment.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:04 PM   #12
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Find a carpenter and apprentice.

A good rough frame carpenter can find a very lucrative niche in custom home building
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:09 PM   #13
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My thought is military or college, or a hell of a work ethic with some luck are your best 3 options.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:09 PM   #14
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Good point above. Know some guys who had good Coast Guard careers and either retired out or about to retire and go to private sector.

In private could go to ABS, DNV, or a number of other positions outside of maritime.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:13 PM   #15
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It's hardly fair to expect most 18-year-olds to know what they want to do with the rest of their lives--some do, but most do not.

I put my daughter through aptitude testing between her junior and senior years of high school (although you can do it at any point in your life...I did it after I retired) in order to quantify her aptitudes and interests as well as to have a disinterested third party (the counselor) confer with her about her test results; specifically, how they relate to potential career choices (which influences her higher ed choices) and what the current and future job markets look like for the her list of potential careers.

It was a very good experience for her and, ultimately, worth what we spent for her to do it.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:38 PM   #16
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:54 PM   #17
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Just curious, why not trade school?
^This. HVAC, Commercial Refrigeration, Plumber, Electrician, truck driver are all bulletproof no matter what the economy is doing.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:55 PM   #18
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Get into military and go into medical field in the military. Start out as steril prep, move to surgery tech, anesthesia tech etc. get his feet wet and then the sky’s the limit. He could become a respiratory tech, x Ray tech all within two years while in the military.
My wife started out with a BS from A&M in Construction Science, went to Associates in nursing, then BS in Nursing, then Masters in Family Medecine. She picked up $30,000 more when she got her Masters. Point is , the medical field is wide open for anyone willing to pursue it. The military is a great place to start it.
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Old 02-23-2021, 08:57 PM   #19
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Some of the highest paid guys at my job are maintenance electricians that came from the Navy
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:24 PM   #20
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:32 PM   #21
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^This. HVAC, Commercial Refrigeration, Plumber, Electrician, truck driver are all bulletproof no matter what the economy is doing.
This^^^^^ In Texas.....HVAC and Plumbing will always be needed.
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:37 PM   #22
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Lineman are in high demand.
Line school or on the job as a helper and a 4-5 yr apprenticeship and he can write his own ticket. He would be able to work anywhere in the country. I have new apprentices that made over 100k last year.

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Old 02-24-2021, 07:40 PM   #23
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My AWS CWI endorsement has provided very well for my family over the years, best investment I ever made in my career.


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Old 02-24-2021, 07:41 PM   #24
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Lineman are in high demand.
Line school or on the job as a helper and a 4-5 yr apprenticeship and he can write his own ticket. He would be able to work anywhere in the country. I have new apprentices that made over 100k last year.

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This is now the way to go. Changed my mind from earlier post. LOL
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:45 PM   #25
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This is now the way to go. Changed my mind from earlier post. LOL
Lineman are pulling good money these days and are in high demand. Most my guys made 150+k

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Old 02-24-2021, 07:48 PM   #26
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Lineman are in high demand.
Line school or on the job as a helper and a 4-5 yr apprenticeship and he can write his own ticket. He would be able to work anywhere in the country. I have new apprentices that made over 100k last year.

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Curious. How many hours a week (average) to reach 100k?

And now I see the above 150+, same question for those guys.

Not sure how the above questions “sound”. I’m genuinely just curious and a young guy with nothing else to worry about could put in some good time and get started out right.

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Old 02-24-2021, 07:55 PM   #27
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I know that you said no trade school, but TSTC is hard to beat for a 2 year degree. Spend the first year getting the basics done and the second strictly on your chosen field. They do a lot of hands on training in labs, not just sitting behind a desk all day every day. I graduated from there in Electrical and Instrumentation. With that foundation I went to work in electrical substations. From there you can work for just about any major city/utility and be home most nights and make good money. Or work for a contractor and travel a lot more and make really good money.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:05 PM   #28
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Curious. How many hours a week (average) to reach 100k?

And now I see the above 150+, same question for those guys.

Not sure how the above questions ďsoundĒ. Iím genuinely just curious and a young guy with nothing else to worry about could put in some good time and get started out right.

Donít want to hijack your question but would like to add how much of that money is time away from home/travel pay? My current job is great but I can see issues arising once kids come into the picture due to travel. Just curious


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Curious. How many hours a week (average) to reach 100k?

And now I see the above 150+, same question for those guys.

Not sure how the above questions ďsoundĒ. Iím genuinely just curious and a young guy with nothing else to worry about could put in some good time and get started out right.
My guys work alot. They work anywhere from 600-1200 hrs overtime/ doubletime a year. But they get paid rest time as well. If they work thru the night they will get paid to sleep the next day. I was in my tools for 20 yrs. Its not for everyone but it is long hours and they work in all elements. This last few weeks they were working 16-20 hrs a day in the cold.
They sacrifice everything at home to try and get power restored quickly and safely as possible. I see the demand being even higher for lineman in the next few years.

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Old 02-24-2021, 08:12 PM   #30
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My guys are home every night unless working local. We do travel for big storms but only couple times a year on average.


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My guys work alot. They work anywhere from 600-1200 hrs overtime/ doubletime a year. But they get paid rest time as well. If they work thru the night they will get paid to sleep the next day. I was in my tools for 20 yrs. Its not for everyone but it is long hours and they work in all elements. This last few weeks they were working 16-20 hrs a day in the cold.
They sacrifice everything at home to try and get power restored quickly and safely as possible. I see the demand being even higher for lineman in the next few years.

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Thanks. Thatís some good insight. The right go getter(s) could do well for themselves.

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If he is OK with shift work, process technology (plant operators) pays well. I teach PTEC at Victoria College. We do both 1 year certificates and 2 year associates. PM me if you would like more info.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:26 PM   #33
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Any union apprenticeship is a boon, and they get paid while learning.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:42 PM   #34
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Do something that cannot be done from a desk. If it can be done from a desk it will be done by slave labor in china or india.
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Forester, you just described my son. I, too would recommend TSTC. My son did the double major in electronics and instrumentation . He is making a dang good living and loves it.Being young, it’s hard to know what you want to do. I wish you all the best in the search.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:54 PM   #36
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Just a personal opinion but here goes. Small town America is missing local welding shops. Replacing axles on trailers to welding anything that a rancher needs fixed.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:55 PM   #37
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IT computers been in that field for 35 years.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:00 PM   #38
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So besides a trade school, what are some certifications or ???, that might be worth looking into. I ask because as we know a good portion of people with degrees are not working in that field. My son isnít sure if college is for him, so Iím trying to see what other options there might be.

Thanks for the input in advance.
I see you're in Austin, not sure if you or your son are aware but there is currently a huge labor shortage, at least in the residential construction industry. Not sure if he has any aspirations to be a plumber or electrician but if he can get a little business acumen and gets his licenses and commit to doing really good work, the sky is the limit.

Heck, our trades that do our best work can pretty much name their price and we are more or less at their mercy because we can't afford to lose our good trades.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:07 PM   #39
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Check out Texas State Technical College (TSTC). My son didn't want to go to college but attended TSTC (Waco campus) and got Assoc. AND dual Diesel Certification (Over the road & Off highway/AG) Is now a productive member of society as a John Deere Mechanic. I'll call it a success.

TSTC has other campuses also. They have core classes as well as all sorts of programs from radiology, HVAC, IT, welding, diesel, automotive, you name it. There are also a bunch of job fairs/placement opportunities. They have a good reputation w/ Industries.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:13 PM   #40
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I know that you said no trade school, but TSTC is hard to beat for a 2 year degree. Spend the first year getting the basics done and the second strictly on your chosen field. They do a lot of hands on training in labs, not just sitting behind a desk all day every day. I graduated from there in Electrical and Instrumentation. With that foundation I went to work in electrical substations. From there you can work for just about any major city/utility and be home most nights and make good money. Or work for a contractor and travel a lot more and make really good money.
A good friend of mine went through their ďauto collisionĒ program. Heís doing very well for himself as an auto body technician.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:16 PM   #41
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Kansas State University Polytechnic Campus
located in Salina Ks.

Aviation Maintenance
Professional pilot
Unmanned Aircraft Systems Flight and Control.. (drone school)
Young men and women come from all of the country.

Cloud County Community College has a very good Wind turbine class..��
I know techs who are making $70k+

(If he ends up here, lmk, i can be a mentor, take him deer and turkey hunting, get him some cash odd jobs)

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Old 02-24-2021, 09:31 PM   #42
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I felt the same but still went to college... Bounced as soon as I got my associates and felt like 100% wasted time and money. Finally doing what I genuinely enjoy, what I shouldíve done right out of high school as I would have been much further ahead.

Today is a super odd time. If he has a hobby or a passion of any kind, it can be perfected and profitable no matter what it may be.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:38 PM   #43
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Find a good union job and get your foot in the door early, I work in the aerospace industry and cleared 100k last year. Just have to stick with it.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:39 PM   #44
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As an aside, your son can go the website for the Bureau of Labor Statistics and glean a lot of information about job/careers: what they're currently paying, education requirements, the current market for that job/career, predictions of that job/career market in the next 20 (30?) years, etc.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:42 PM   #45
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Real-estate
Traditional agents
Custom home builder
Flipping houses
Rental property/investment properties

Stock broker/investor
Insurance agent
Insurance broker

Sales rep
Franchise owner

Pool builder
Landscape company
Arborist

Preacher/pastor

I dont know, lots of opportunity out there that doesn't require a degree. Hes just got to figure out what he likes and go from there.

I do believe some college is good, particularly accounting, finance, business mgmt classes bc the reality of life is every evolves around money no matter what you do.
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Old 02-24-2021, 09:46 PM   #46
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USMC has certification programs for engineering, utilities and other fields.
Besides the GI Bill after service, Texas Veteran assistance programs, paid for food, paid for housing, fair pay... the DoD will pay 100% for in service university attendance as long as a C or higher is made.

Lots of wins.

Being a lineman is belonging to a very similar type of brotherhood to the Marines. Lots of hard work, lots of suck, but it doesnt matter because your not the only one working to help others in the freezing rain. A lineman and Marines life often is counting on someone else to do their job properly. Few people get to experience the bonds formed through hardship and the mentality of responsibility forged.

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Old 02-24-2021, 09:57 PM   #47
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Carpet cleaning and water damage remediation.

Even during economic depressions people’s houses still flood and insurance companies will still pay ya.

One of the cheaper industries to get into and start up your own business, and the “training” can come on the job or through the IICRC

I did it my entire way through college (didn’t pay my way through completely of course) but all my bosses lived comfortably and we’re always home every night.

Don’t go to drafting school (solid works or the like) and head to the patch without knowing what your drawing/designing/doing. We already got to many guys that can run the programs but don’t know or understand what the heck they’re doing
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Old 02-24-2021, 10:23 PM   #48
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Maybe look into a Fire Academy or EMT Basic training? There are multiple of both that are largely online with in person qualification training at the end or even some full on in person school style academies. Just a thought....


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Old 02-24-2021, 10:26 PM   #49
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Look into inspections. APi510 and 570. They make $50 an hour. You can study on your on or take a prep course.
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My guys work alot. They work anywhere from 600-1200 hrs overtime/ doubletime a year. But they get paid rest time as well. If they work thru the night they will get paid to sleep the next day. I was in my tools for 20 yrs. Its not for everyone but it is long hours and they work in all elements. This last few weeks they were working 16-20 hrs a day in the cold.
They sacrifice everything at home to try and get power restored quickly and safely as possible. I see the demand being even higher for lineman in the next few years.

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Whats the turn over rate? I could work those type of hours for 2-3 years and then be so burned out the money wouldn't mean anything to me anymore.
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