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Old 06-03-2021, 04:16 PM   #51
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I guess what kills me about Pro Baseball today is the SHIFT. If the right-side or left-side of the infield has one guy there. Why not bunt and make them pay but NO majority of the time the batter will swing away and hit RIGHT into the shift. Softball is a faster game and like Bowhunter stated girls or getting stronger and faster. Fun times to come for softball for sure.
Some of the "unwritten rules" of the game make it more of a pissing match sometimes. I appreciate some of them, but not when they remove strategy. if you are able to move fielders around based on my tendencies, I will do what I can to change my tendencies, strategy. I miss small ball, and prefer National League ball with no DH, just creates more strategy. I do love watching the game for the pitching / hitting chess match and the athletic defensive plays.
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Do you have attention span issues?


There are some manly looking girls playing these days....


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Iím pretty sure the catcher for Alabama could easily whip my ***. Thatís a big sturdy girl!


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And just like that she goes yard!


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Not seeing much Gus ball at all. 90% gorilla ball.

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Seeing a little Gus ball now. Lol.

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I will say I have been watching the softball World Series for many years just because. The lack of athleticism is very evident when comparing it the the guys game. No different than basketball.

I think baseball is much more exciting to watch than softball. Iím not sure how anyone would prefer watching this over the same level of baseball. I guess if I had a daughter playing, I might but doubt it.


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Fouts for Alabama is bringing it tonight 14K's thru 6 innings
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I will say I have been watching the softball World Series for many years just because. The lack of athleticism is very evident when comparing it the the guys game. No different than basketball.

I think baseball is much more exciting to watch than softball. Iím not sure how anyone would prefer watching this over the same level of baseball. I guess if I had a daughter playing, I might but doubt it.


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Obviously there are in athleticism between the two genders, but I think you are discounting some things that may look different as a lack of athleticism when maybe it isn't. If you get out on the field and throw, hit and run with some of these girls you would realize they are pretty athletic.
Most of them throw the ball a lot harder than you realize, but they are on average smaller and throwing a much larger ball.
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Obviously there are in athleticism between the two genders, but I think you are discounting some things that may look different as a lack of athleticism when maybe it isn't. If you get out on the field and throw, hit and run with some of these girls you would realize they are pretty athletic.

Most of them throw the ball a lot harder than you realize, but they are on average smaller and throwing a much larger ball.
You should probably just stop dude. Jesus christ.

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Old 06-03-2021, 08:21 PM   #61
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AND we could say the same for you.
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Obviously there are in athleticism between the two genders, but I think you are discounting some things that may look different as a lack of athleticism when maybe it isn't. If you get out on the field and throw, hit and run with some of these girls you would realize they are pretty athletic.
Most of them throw the ball a lot harder than you realize, but they are on average smaller and throwing a much larger ball.

Wouldnít disagree with that but that is exactly the point. To the eye it isnít as appealing to watch.

I have never understood why their ball is so much bigger when they are so much smaller. Maybe to make it play to the size of the field? Has there ever been any talk of increasing the size of the field somewhat?


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Obviously there are in athleticism between the two genders, but I think you are discounting some things that may look different as a lack of athleticism when maybe it isn't. If you get out on the field and throw, hit and run with some of these girls you would realize they are pretty athletic.
Most of them throw the ball a lot harder than you realize, but they are on average smaller and throwing a much larger ball.

I agree....plus the pitcher's mound is closer and the bases are closer, so you have to be pretty dang athletic and have great eyes to preform at those distances. I watched Texas play against North Texas up here when they came to town a few years ago ....I was impressed with what those girls do with a larger sphere. Dang ball at 60 mph gets to the plate quick.... and the good ones stay in the low 60s.

Hereís a conversion chart that takes in to account the the distance and gives what a 59-61 mph softball pitch is equivalent to baseball wise.


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And Iím not belittling the ladies. They are obviously very talented to be doing what they are doing on this level. Iím just comparing the optics of the ladiesí game vs the guyís game.


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Fouts almost always brings it, she is tough.
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I'm in the only softball group. More entertaining.

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Why don't you give it up. You have your opinion and I have mine. But yours for sure ain't any better than mine.

I can state a lot of things about the athleticism of quite a few of these girls compared to you at your best, but you wouldn't believe any of it. I have played with guys that played college and professional baseball. I am not saying these girls are as athletic, but they aren't scrubs and you would be surprised.
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Wouldnít disagree with that but that is exactly the point. To the eye it isnít as appealing to watch.

I have never understood why their ball is so much bigger when they are so much smaller. Maybe to make it play to the size of the field? Has there ever been any talk of increasing the size of the field somewhat?


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Some schools have increased the size of the field but only slightly, maybe 10 to 20 feet. Much more than that would likely quite a few home runs out of the game and they would have to increase the distance between bases as well I would think.
To Smart's point, the ball gets to the plate in a hurry and there are quite a few pitchers these days that are consistently mid to upper 60's. Fouts and a couple others are consistently around 70.
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I agree....plus the pitcher's mound is closer and the bases are closer, so you have to be pretty dang athletic and have great eyes to preform at those distances. I watched Texas play against North Texas up here when they came to town a few years ago ....I was impressed with what those girls do with a larger sphere. Dang ball at 60 mph gets to the plate quick.... and the good ones stay in the low 60s.

Hereís a conversion chart that takes in to account the the distance and gives what a 59-61 mph softball pitch is equivalent to baseball wise.

SO when she is 71-73 that equals to 101-102. Also enjoying the conversation.
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SO when she is 71-73 that equals to 101-102. Also enjoying the conversation.
Pretty tough to hit I would think. Rachel Garcia is throwing in that range as well. Aroldis Chapman of softball territory.
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I umpire baseball, mostly High School Varsity but have done some college games as well. The game from HS to College gets much quicker and cleaner because when you get to this level the kids know what they are doing and anticipate the ball and play much better. I will say that that baseball hurts when it hits you at 90+ MPH, I've got a couple bruises from today to attest to that. This being said I do like watching the girls play and am watching the UCLA v Fla St game right now. I do this just for the pure enjoyment of it. These grils are talented.

EDIT: One of the hardest things to do is hit a round ball with a round bat, no room for error.

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SO when she is 71-73 that equals to 101-102. Also enjoying the conversation.

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Some schools have increased the size of the field but only slightly, maybe 10 to 20 feet. Much more than that would likely quite a few home runs out of the game and they would have to increase the distance between bases as well I would think.
To Smart's point, the ball gets to the plate in a hurry and there are quite a few pitchers these days that are consistently mid to upper 60's. Fouts and a couple others are consistently around 70.

70s? . Son of a...
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Smart..... YEA that is bringing it
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Smart..... YEA that is bringing it
It'll get there in a hurry. I have caught for a couple girls that throw in the low 60's and it is quick.

Met a Dad one time working with his daughter who was throwing around 60, she was about 14 or 15. He put a hitting tee up (about 3 feet in front of himself) for her to work on her curve, try to make it break after the tee. He wore no mask. I was just waiting for one to clip the tee and hit him square in the teeth. Dude was nuts, and had plenty of 'em I guess.
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Yep it get's there quick. One of Dad's on my daughters team showed at practice limping. I ask what happen and of course his daughter through a drop curve and it moved quicker than he could react. After that he called it quits and now pays a kid to catch her.
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My uncle is the AD at James Madison, my brother is an assistant coach on the baseball team, I attended there after my military school transfer.... itís a fun time to be a Duke!!


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Purely for comparison, the girls play on the same size field and bases as my 10 year old son. I think the mound is the same distance too, but itís flat. I only say this to say, that yellow ball gets on EVERYONE QUICK! It wouldnít be the same game if you changed the mound or base distance.

You also have to take into account that those pitchers can move that ball in any direction. Up, down, both side drop curves. Like they can curve it in all those directions. Itís itís own sport.

I prefer baseball, but make no mistake, those girls are bad asses at their game. It is VERY fast.


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I agree, it wouldn't be the same if you started changing it too much. And James Madison is making some noise. I had a feeling they were going to be tough after watching them dispatch Missouri. Knocking off Oklahoma though, wow! OK has been whooping everyone, nice to see them get taken down a notch. James Madison girls are not intimidated.
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I agree, it wouldn't be the same if you started changing it too much. And James Madison is making some noise. I had a feeling they were going to be tough after watching them dispatch Missouri. Knocking off Oklahoma though, wow! OK has been whooping everyone, nice to see them get taken down a notch. James Madison girls are not intimidated.

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If I recall correctly they have had some success in recent years, did well in regionals maybe even went to a Super Regional 2 or 3 years ago? Maybe not Cinderella's but still a cool story. Almost anyone is a Cinderella against OU this year.
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Smart did you see that Route had one at 75 mph that's some serious heat.
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70 at 60 feet is hard to imagine. You are almost selling out before the pitch is thrown. 75 is a total guess, and you canít adjust to anything.


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I can state a lot of things about the athleticism of quite a few of these girls compared to you at your best, but you wouldn't believe any of it. I have played with guys that played college and professional baseball. I am not saying these girls are as athletic, but they aren't scrubs and you would be surprised.
So you're ok with transgender boys playing in girls sports? The girls would still dominate because the field is smaller, right?

Again, I like the game. I watched yesterday. Comparing the womens athletic ability to men is the part I disagree with you on.

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70 at 43 feet. My daughter pitches in 12U....she is only throwing in the low 50s, but at 40 feet it gets there pretty quick. Couldn't imagine catching someone throwing 70.
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70 at 43 feet. My daughter pitches in 12U....she is only throwing in the low 50s, but at 40 feet it gets there pretty quick. Couldn't imagine catching someone throwing 70.
Low 50s at 12u? Wow.

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There are some girls throwing upper 50s in 12U.

Like others have said, it is a different game. To me it is more enjoyable to watch, and I know what kind of athletes those girls are. I do like watching college baseball, but pros I can't even begin to get into a game. I like the shorter game of softball as it adds a sense of urgency to the game where you have to make some risky calls to get a run across.

Some of you are getting caught up in comparing guys to girls. I think it is a now brainer that guys are faster and stronger than most girls, so they are more "athletic", but I would challenge any one of you to step in front of a high school pitcher and see if you could hit it. Let alone a college pitcher.
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Purely for comparison, the girls play on the same size field and bases as my 10 year old son. I think the mound is the same distance too, but itís flat. I only say this to say, that yellow ball gets on EVERYONE QUICK! It wouldnít be the same game if you changed the mound or base distance.

You also have to take into account that those pitchers can move that ball in any direction. Up, down, both side drop curves. Like they can curve it in all those directions. Itís itís own sport.

I prefer baseball, but make no mistake, those girls are bad asses at their game. It is VERY fast.


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There are some girls throwing upper 50s in 12U.

Like others have said, it is a different game. To me it is more enjoyable to watch, and I know what kind of athletes those girls are. I do like watching college baseball, but pros I can't even begin to get into a game. I like the shorter game of softball as it adds a sense of urgency to the game where you have to make some risky calls to get a run across.

Some of you are getting caught up in comparing guys to girls. I think it is a now brainer that guys are faster and stronger than most girls, so they are more "athletic", but I would challenge any one of you to step in front of a high school pitcher and see if you could hit it. Let alone a college pitcher.

BoB would probably park ever pitch.....
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So you're ok with transgender boys playing in girls sports? The girls would still dominate because the field is smaller, right?

Again, I like the game. I watched yesterday. Comparing the womens athletic ability to men is the part I disagree with you on.

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I don't know where in the hell you came up with that, or if any of it makes sense. I never said they were more athletic, I said they were catching up in terms of skill and that they are athletic than you probably give them credit for being. Also, that I think the "game" itself is better in many ways.

Men are more athletic, on average, than women. I agree and said that previously. If you don't think there are women that are more athletic (faster, stronger, more coordinated) than you (and me and pretty much all of us having this discussion) ever were you, are absolutely wrong.
Go look up Lolo Jones working out with 235 pounds and tossing it around while doing some kind of jumping jack-like routine. Or a gymnast, or....
Not trying to take this down a rabbit hole, or a transgender trail. The original discussion was about softball, the great things about it and that some prefer it to baseball, or at least to a degree.
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If I recall correctly they have had some success in recent years, did well in regionals maybe even went to a Super Regional 2 or 3 years ago? Maybe not Cinderella's but still a cool story. Almost anyone is a Cinderella against OU this year.

Thatís fair... I just think with a record of 40-2 they do deserve to be there. I understand they are a mid major program. It is a cool story though.


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BoB would probably park ever pitch.....
BoB did play center field for the Plano Athletics in his mid 30s in the Plano Men's league and one season in the DABA.

That girl for Bama would make me look foolish currently tbough. Lol.

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Old 06-04-2021, 09:08 AM   #96
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I'm just here to watch the girls that look good in "Sporterized Yoga Pants"!

The problem with women's softball is there are more of them that look like they could fill two airline seats
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There are some girls throwing upper 50s in 12U.

Like others have said, it is a different game. To me it is more enjoyable to watch, and I know what kind of athletes those girls are. I do like watching college baseball, but pros I can't even begin to get into a game. I like the shorter game of softball as it adds a sense of urgency to the game where you have to make some risky calls to get a run across.

Some of you are getting caught up in comparing guys to girls. I think it is a now brainer that guys are faster and stronger than most girls, so they are more "athletic", but I would challenge any one of you to step in front of a high school pitcher and see if you could hit it. Let alone a college pitcher.
Good explanation Pokes. It would be an eye opener for most to face a good high school pitcher.
A friend's daughter was throwing upper 50's, even low to mid 60's on a good day in the 8th grade. There were several larger SEC schools already interested in her. The rules have changed in the last couple years and she has had a rash of injuries so we will have to wait and see how it plays out.
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Thatís fair... I just think with a record of 40-2 they do deserve to be there. I understand they are a mid major program. It is a cool story though.


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It's an awesome story, and they are in good position to go far and I am not discounting them. When I saw them beat Missouri I knew they were for real, and not OU knows too.
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My niece just completed her junior year of HS. She pitches in the mid 60’s. Was the Idaho HS 5a co-player of the year this season. She has worked hard since she was very young.
Very exciting times for the young lady as she preps for college.
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My niece just completed her junior year of HS. She pitches in the mid 60ís. Was the Idaho HS 5a co-player of the year this season. She has worked hard since she was very young.
Very exciting times for the young lady as she preps for college.
Congrats to your niece, that is very impressive. It is very cool watching them progress and it sounds like she has a bright future ahead of her. Good luck to her.
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