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Old 12-02-2022, 06:15 AM   #1
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So I saw where he came down for the second year in a row and took a really nice buck on the CJ and posted to his instagram about his dream buck and the "lowfence" deer he had always dreamed of and of coarse on his post some guys posted that it is not low fence etc. and he fired back at them and I kinda summed it up that if Boone and Crockett, Pope & Young, and Texas Big game awards don't recognize it then it is likely not high fence...of which he quickly blocked and deleted my comment....the truth seems to hurt some folks and I could care less if you shoot a deer in a high fence or one that has had a tag but just call it what it is period don't try and make up some false claims about it just say it...I know that is most likely critical since most large sponsors wont allow TV shows to be filmed in high fences for obvious reasons as it is asking for trouble from activist groups but since now days we have to label deer as "pasture born" or whatever I am just tired of seeing people try and bend the rules for their narrative and it may just be me... regardless he shot a very nice buck scored 185" and it is a beautiful deer but just call it what it is !! Rant over good luck to everyone out their hunting and any harvest with a bow is a good one and well worth noting that!! Worth also noting he seems like a great guy hunts all over the country and I enjoy watching the show and to his defense he may not truly know the facts of the ranch that it had DMP at one time etc. ...Moving on

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Old 12-02-2022, 07:05 AM   #2
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Their website states it is a low fence native whitetail deer ranch,is it not?

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Old 12-02-2022, 07:26 AM   #3
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Their website states it is a low fence native whitetail deer ranch,is it not?

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The way I understand it, itís high fence except a mile or so on the highway. The ranch across from it is a large HF ranch.
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Old 12-02-2022, 07:42 AM   #4
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I’m with you. Shoot what YOU want,where YOU want. But call it like it is.
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Old 12-02-2022, 07:51 AM   #5
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Almost without exception, these "professional hunters" lose any sense of honesty and integrity in the name of money and sponsors. I hunt on a high fenced ranch, and I make no bones about it. I don't care what anyone else does either, just don't lie about it.
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:32 AM   #6
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Hold the phone - I know Levi personally and I can vouch for his honesty and integrity.

The ranch billed themselves as low fence but not a P&Y / B&C. That does not mean Levi is being dishonest. He shot a low fence dream buck and instead of being jealous, we should be happy for him. He's shot lots of P&Y bucks.
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:38 AM   #7
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Congrats to him. I have not seen the buck but sounds like a good one based on the score.
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:46 AM   #8
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Wether itís high fenced or not, I have seen videos of some deer on that place and itís amazing. Wascom picked that ranch due to the high mineral content in the soil so the deer get optimum nutrition. Guy likes to grow large native deer. Congrats to the hunter
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Old 12-02-2022, 08:50 AM   #9
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There is a video out there where Jerry explains this ranch and how he purchased it, to the point of having the owner sign paperwork. Look it up and listen for yourself. I don't care if you are high fence or not, but Jerry is doing it right. His ranch is not 100% High Fence.
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:02 AM   #10
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Hold the phone - I know Levi personally and I can vouch for his honesty and integrity.

The ranch billed themselves as low fence but not a P&Y / B&C. That does not mean Levi is being dishonest. He shot a low fence dream buck and instead of being jealous, we should be happy for him. He's shot lots of P&Y bucks.
Just to clarify, Levi shot the 185" buck out of the low fence section of the property?

I had always assumed that place was only partially high fenced from others speaking of the place.

None the less, that is a stud deer!

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Old 12-02-2022, 09:34 AM   #11
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Intellectually dishonest........he knows what he is pulling.......
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:43 AM   #12
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I could have this ranch confused with another, but from what I was told is that yes it is in fact considered low fence, but with a kicker. Three sides high fenced with a mile or so low. The portion that is low fenced they are selling gravel / crush rock along the highway so there is lots of activity with little deer movement. My apologies if I have this confused with another property.

And I have nothing against HF since I am hunting one.
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:44 AM   #13
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Hold the phone - I know Levi personally and I can vouch for his honesty and integrity.

The ranch billed themselves as low fence but not a P&Y / B&C. That does not mean Levi is being dishonest. He shot a low fence dream buck and instead of being jealous, we should be happy for him. He's shot lots of P&Y bucks.
Never said he was being dishonest but why take my post down if there was nothing wrong with the answer I gave? Might there be an issue or just open it up for discussion...again he seems like an awesome guy and hunter I enjoy the show but just call it what it is and quit making it out to be something it is not it is a heck of a deer regardless...approx. 20 deer entered in the CJ contest I mean the Los Cazadores contest last year over 170 leads one to suspicion on 4800 acres and I realize a feed lot type situation is in place with high deer density and unlimited feed therefore the high price for a 185" 21K per their web site but calling that a low fence is a stretch given that a small highway portion is low but he entire fenceline around and across the highway are high just leads one to believe that b&C, P&Y, and Texas big game awards have good reason for not honoring the harvest on the property??? The bordering neighbor not George Strait knows this ranch very well and is a friend and he is not growing that many deer that big on bigger acreage so same soil type etc oh and not jealous at all and happy for him ......Attachment 1111322
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Old 12-02-2022, 09:52 AM   #14
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So I saw where he came down for the second year in a row and took a really nice buck on the CJ and posted to his instagram about his dream buck and the "lowfence" deer he had always dreamed of and of coarse on his post some guys posted that it is not low fence etc. and he fired back at them and I kinda summed it up that if Boone and Crockett, Pope & Young, and Texas Big game awards don't recognize it then it is likely not high fence...of which he quickly blocked and deleted my comment....the truth seems to hurt some folks and I could care less if you shoot a deer in a high fence or one that has had a tag but just call it what it is period don't try and make up some false claims about it just say it...I know that is most likely critical since most large sponsors wont allow TV shows to be filmed in high fences for obvious reasons as it is asking for trouble from activist groups but since now days we have to label deer as "pasture born" or whatever I am just tired of seeing people try and bend the rules for their narrative and it may just be me... regardless he shot a very nice buck scored 185" and it is a beautiful deer but just call it what it is !! Rant over good luck to everyone out their hunting and any harvest with a bow is a good one and well worth noting that!! Worth also noting he seems like a great guy hunts all over the country and I enjoy watching the show and to his defense he may not truly know the facts of the ranch that it had DMP at one time etc. ...Moving on

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Old 12-02-2022, 09:53 AM   #15
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He either has his head in the sand or purposely misleading people. Does anyone have a map of the fenced portions?

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Old 12-02-2022, 09:54 AM   #16
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Its Texas
No one in Texas or anywhere else in the country sees a 180+ deer killed in this state and thinks, that’s a hell of a native born and raised off mother natures bounty buck.
Sure there are a hand full of exceptions where a true native buck got old eating what nature provides and got past 170. It’s no surprise and can’t blame anyone for doubting the validity of any buck that big.
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:00 AM   #17
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I feel like the wrong thing is highlighted in that picture.
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:00 AM   #18
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I could have this ranch confused with another, but from what I was told is that yes it is in fact considered low fence, but with a kicker. Three sides high fenced with a mile or so low. The portion that is low fenced they are selling gravel / crush rock along the highway so there is lots of activity with little deer movement. My apologies if I have this confused with another property.

And I have nothing against HF since I am hunting one.
Itís a couple of miles on 83 , and I never been inside only over the top in a small plane but I donít think itís HF on some neighbors like George straight?
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Old 12-02-2022, 10:27 AM   #19
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I feel like the wrong thing is highlighted in that picture.
wonder how old that deer is?
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:05 AM   #20
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I've killed many high fence deer and even more low fence deer and not once was I confused as to what I did. He claimed low fence because he wanted to avoid the stigma associated with high fences. Looking for loopholes to declare it low fence is misleading and he knows it, as we do.

By the way, TBGA does recognize high fence deer.
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:23 AM   #21
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Every ranch in that dot of soutg tx kills monster bucks and have naturally produced deer over 220". The CJ just has more of them bc their density is unreal. Alot of the ranches in that area have large fields and irrigated plots. So those plots plus an insane amount of protein can help accomodate the high density. The previous owners where killing monsters as well, they just didnt promote it like Wascom does. He is a deer nut, above and beyond what most could ever comprehend.

And the part that is low fenced, is probably the riskiest portion of fence for them to take down. The other fence lines are mostly made up of incrediable neighbors who manage deer the same way.
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:28 AM   #22
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The question I'm pondering now is.....Is it high fence if the whole thing isn't fenced, or does any amount of high fence make it a 'high fence property'. My initial thought is that if the deer have ample opportunity to travel on and off the property, then it is not a 'high fence property', just low fence with some high fences I guess...
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:32 AM   #23
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:33 AM   #24
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This reminds me of the old saying about being a little bit pregnant. Either you are or you aren’t.
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Old 12-02-2022, 11:43 AM   #25
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Their website sounds like they're Texas Big Game Awards "Low Fence" eligible:

Our track record for producing giant native white-tail is unmatched. The ranch has produced 16 bucks with gross B&C scores over 200" with the largest buck we have ever harvested breaking the 230" mark. And last season our top 18 bucks had an average score of 177" with one typical and one non-typical making the top 10 in the prestigious low fence, state-wide Texas Big Game Award program.
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Old 12-02-2022, 12:03 PM   #26
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wonder how old that deer is?
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Old 12-02-2022, 12:32 PM   #27
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Its definitely a nice deer. If its fenced on 3 sides and bounded by a highway that has high fence on the other side, for practical purposes that's high fenced. It may not be "stocked" with breeder bucks, but it affords the ability to manage the deer in a way that any low fence ever could.

However, I think its a great deer, and I wish I could afford to go to such a place. Levi seems like a great guy, and I have no issue with the deer or if it was shot behind high fence or not, but it does make me raise my eyebrows. I'm a human, I have reactions to things I see and hear, that's normal. Like I raised them over the whole Bowmars pleading guilty and Levi being in business with them. I'm not judging, but if I didn't have a reaction to it one way or another I wouldn't be human. Even dismissing things is a reaction.

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Old 12-02-2022, 12:39 PM   #28
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This reminds me of the old saying about being a little bit pregnant. Either you are or you arenít.
Lol. If I remember right you own a high fence place. What's your take on it. Would you consider it low fence? I've hunted high fence so I'm not knocking him but I believe it's misleading at best

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Old 12-02-2022, 12:49 PM   #29
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First Liver King, now Levi... Lol
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Old 12-02-2022, 12:52 PM   #30
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By definition it is not high fenced because one side is low fenced and deer can leave. It does not matter if there is a road and the property across the road is fenced. Why do yíall care soooo much. He killed a big buck and it came from a low fence pasture! Either youíre jealous or you feel inferior or something to worry about why they can grow big deer.


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Only people you care about have opinions or beliefs you should care about. If the guy believes/asserts the ranch is low fence why does anyone care? Does majority of the ranch being high fenced mean the ranch is high fenced? Is there a 50.01% rule? I don't know why people care what someone asserts to be low fence. Good deer and the dude (I have never heard of before now) is happy.

Gsticker beat me to the punch. :-)

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Who cares either way, old song same dance with a new partner.
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Old 12-02-2022, 01:54 PM   #33
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By definition it is not high fenced because one side is low fenced and deer can leave. It does not matter if there is a road and the property across the road is fenced. Why do yíall care soooo much. He killed a big buck and it came from a low fence pasture! Either youíre jealous or you feel inferior or something to worry about why they can grow big deer.


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You don't have to get defensive. I would give my left nut to hunt El Gatos ranch. People care bc they don't like being mislead.

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Old 12-02-2022, 02:24 PM   #34
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I've killed many high fence deer and even more low fence deer and not once was I confused as to what I did. He claimed low fence because he wanted to avoid the stigma associated with high fences. Looking for loopholes to declare it low fence is misleading and he knows it, as we do.

By the way, TBGA does recognize high fence deer.
I knew that they recognize high fence deer and I most likely would have never posted it but he deleted me from his page and my comment therefore guilty as charged IMO because I pointed out the facts that neither B&C nor P&Y nor TBGA recognized this property as low fence he took me out for stating facts....

I hunt low fence because I think it presents a challenge went to Kansas and ate a tag sandwhich but that is fine....in Texas today if you have a big check book you can buy whatever deer you want without much chase involved and that just is not for me and because I am passionate about legit fair chase I want us all that claim it to play on the same playing field period!
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I knew that they recognize high fence deer and I most likely would have never posted it but he deleted me from his page and my comment therefore guilty as charged IMO because I pointed out the facts that neither B&C nor P&Y nor TBGA recognized this property as low fence he took me out for stating facts....

I hunt low fence because I think it presents a challenge went to Kansas and ate a tag sandwhich but that is fine....in Texas today if you have a big check book you can buy whatever deer you want without much chase involved and that just is not for me and because I am passionate about legit fair chase I want us all that claim it to play on the same playing field period!
I'll play devil's advocate with you

If you feel that strong, please don't sell your hunting equipment to anyone that's not in it for the challenge. I say that sorta tongue and cheek and agree that hunter's should be mindful of how they represent stuff... but let's don't all get too sanctimonious here.
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I'll play devil's advocate with you

If you feel that strong, please don't sell your hunting equipment to anyone that's not in it for the challenge. I say that sorta tongue and cheek and agree that hunter's should be mindful of how they represent stuff... but let's don't all get too sanctimonious here.
LOL I think we will be fine since their are no high fenced 30" trout fisheries yet we will just keep selling our wading equipment just fine and whoever can still afford to hunt we will just keep our gear priced right and built right so they can decide!
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Old 12-02-2022, 02:51 PM   #37
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Lol. If I remember right you own a high fence place. What's your take on it. Would you consider it low fence? I've hunted high fence so I'm not knocking him but I believe it's misleading at best

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Actually I have no fence on my west side. My buddy owns the property west of me. Technically Iím low fenced. But I couldnít in good conscience say my deer are killed on low fenced property. Iím certainly wouldnít enter one as low fence deer in a contest. I wouldnít feel right cheating someone out of something they earned or deserved.
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LOL I think we will be fine since their are no high fenced 30" trout fisheries yet we will just keep selling our wading equipment just fine and whoever can still afford to hunt we will just keep our gear priced right and built right so they can decide!
Maybe don't sell to croaker soakers and lure guys only
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Actually I have no fence on my west side. My buddy owns the property west of me. Technically Iím low fenced. But I couldnít in good conscience say my deer are killed on low fenced property. Iím certainly wouldnít enter one as low fence deer in a contest. I wouldnít feel right cheating someone out of something they earned or deserved.
Not that it mattersÖ..but I **** sure like your take on it!
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Old 12-02-2022, 03:20 PM   #40
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The way I understand it, itís high fence except a mile or so on the highway. The ranch across from it is a large HF ranch.

This is correct from what I see when I drive by. So long as Iím looking at the right ranch, it is technically a high fence that is just unfastened from the top half and folded down to make a low fence.


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Old 12-02-2022, 03:30 PM   #41
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You don't have to get defensive. I would give my left nut to hunt El Gatos ranch. People care bc they don't like being mislead.

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I am not. Just stating fax. No one is being misleading!!


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Old 12-02-2022, 03:39 PM   #42
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LOL I think we will be fine since their are no high fenced 30" trout fisheries yet we will just keep selling our wading equipment just fine and whoever can still afford to hunt we will just keep our gear priced right and built right so they can decide!

Hell isnít every trout in a high fence? You heard of these things called dams


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Old 12-02-2022, 03:49 PM   #43
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High fence on 3 sides with open side being to a 2 lane highway that has a high fence on the other side of the road. It's not high fence.........? mmmmmK.
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Old 12-02-2022, 03:54 PM   #44
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I hunt low fence because I think it presents a challenge
Isnít the place you hunt on in Texas high fenced on three sides? Granted there is a low fence ranch to the east but it has a high fence on its east side. You are totally high fenced on your north and west sides. So the only place deer could escape would be yíallís south side?
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:10 PM   #46
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Baffin Bay the high fence trout fishery!!!
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:18 PM   #47
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Actually I have no fence on my west side. My buddy owns the property west of me. Technically Iím low fenced. But I couldnít in good conscience say my deer are killed on low fenced property. Iím certainly wouldnít enter one as low fence deer in a contest. I wouldnít feel right cheating someone out of something they earned or deserved.
But yíall bought one entire high fence ranch and divided it between you correct? Knowing it was completely fenced. Knowing you hunt all HF deer. So no. Youíre not low fenced. Ainít a thing wrong with it either. Until you call it low fenced.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:24 PM   #48
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But yíall bought one entire high fence ranch and divided it between you correct? Knowing it was completely fenced. Knowing you hunt all HF deer. So no. Youíre not low fenced. Ainít a thing wrong with it either. Until you call it low fenced.
No. There was no high fence when we bought it.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:27 PM   #49
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Man, I don’t think i would call it high fence either. If you own a ranch and the neighbor fences a few sides are you always hunting high fence? I have no issues and love the few high fences I’ve been able to hunt.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:37 PM   #50
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If when patting oneself on the back in social media you feel the need to declare either high or low…

I could not care less and wish all my high fence hunting buddies would hurry up with the invites!
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