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Old 01-24-2020, 09:04 AM   #51
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Good those types of cases are a complete waste of
police/judicial resources. Legalize and tax the stuff and be done with it. Cannabis prohibition has been a farce from the beginning.

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Old 01-24-2020, 09:14 AM   #52
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No facts to support your claim of millionaires. That's the thing, you have no clue how many smoke occasionally in their own home. In states where it's legal it isn't allowed in public.

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Hereís 2 facts.
If Iím having surgery and one surgeon lit up last night, the other does not partake, Iím going with guy #2.
I have no problem with my teenage son drinking a few beers and have allowed it numerous times, Iíve never handed him a joint.
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:25 AM   #53
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My brother partook for many years. He live in a shed behind my moms house
How many homeless people do you see with a joint? Now, how many with a bottle?

FTR I do not smoke or drink but I find it hypocritical that one is looked upon as deviant behavior and the other is socially accepted.
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:29 AM   #54
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How many homeless people do you see with a joint? Now, how many with a bottle?

FTR I do not smoke or drink but I find it hypocritical that one is looked upon as deviant behavior and the other is socially accepted.
I dont hang out where homeless people hang out so I dont see their joints or their heroin or their bottles.
Now, how about you tell me how many homeless smoked weed in their developmental years.
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I dont hang out where homeless people hang out so I dont see their joints or their heroin or their bottles.
Now, how about you tell me how many homeless smoked weed in their developmental years.

Good grief. That's laughable. How many drank alcohol? I'm not even going to try to give a response to that crap. Yeah, I hang out with the homeless on the weekend.

You not go to the city? See a homeless person? What bubble do you live in? Alcohol is no different.

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Old 01-24-2020, 09:31 AM   #56
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APD Chief has pointed this out. And the CC is backing up a bit on its original position.

I live in the area of Austin and look at in wonder what type of city it would be if it weren't for the conservative value of the State Government.

I fear if Texas goes blue, Austin will look like Baltimore or Detroit.
I heard it already does
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:32 AM   #57
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You canít pick and choose law and order, either its law or disorder.

No reason to enforce anything I guess if you wonít enforce a gateway drug.

Your sonís and daughters will likely end up just like disorder would speculate.

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Old 01-24-2020, 09:37 AM   #58
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I'll say this, the Austin City Council is a freaking joke. As far as their feel good vote goes, it means nothing, they can't "vote" to not enforce State law. Can they use political pressure to dictate how APD does business, maybe, maybe not.

The legalization push legitimately started when Gov. Abbott signed the "hemp legislation" several months ago. I won't go into specifics, but that single handedly created significant legal hurdles to enforcing Possession of Marijuana laws. My department no longer makes routine POM arrests due to the new legislation.

As far as what's been quoted above, I take exception to a couple things...… The "medical marijuana" argument is mostly BS in my opinion. Most experts say that the beneficial aspects of MJ can be delivered in ways other than smoking, which obviously introduces the THC "high" that most pot-heads are after. I'm not denying in any way that MJ/Hemp may have some legit medical uses, but medical MJ in and of itself was an is overwhelmingly just a BS way for MJ users to legally get it.

Secondly, making a statement that makes it seem as though someone under the influence of MJ while driving a car is harmless is irresponsible and simply not true. Impaired drivers, regardless of what drug they are on, are extremely dangerous when they get behind the wheel. I've seen many, many stoned idiots operating vehicles where its a miracle they hadn't killed anyone before being stopped by LE.

I'll say this, I honestly don't care if a responsible adult wants to smoke a joint here and there, especially in the confines of their private lives. I also believe that alcohol is just as devastating and likely more so to the average American. Alcohol causes a bunch of problems in a lot of people's lives, there is no denying that. I do think its ironic in several ways that alcohol is legal and MJ is not.



I really appreciate the input, and perspective. I truly do. I would imagine some have a mischaracterized me in their heads by some of these comments.

I do not smoke MJ. Let me make that crystal clear. I am however an alcoholic, nine years sober, and I’ve seen firsthand the absolute devastating effects of alcoholism. Along with alcoholism, DWIs come hand-in-hand. I know that first hand as well. I am not ashamed of my past, because it has made me who I am today. All glory to God the father Almighty. He truly saved my life in one moment. So now that you have a little background on me. I think your final paragraph is exactly my point. no I do disagree with your comment about the medicinal benefits of marijuana. I would again like to point out the fact that all of these medical experts who have this opinion, and put this opinion out there, all have an agenda against the legalization of marijuana. Whether they realize it or not. The negative impact that the legalization of marijuana would have on the entire medical industry, is beyond comprehension. If you guys any clue the amount of money that it’s used every year lobbying against the legalization of marijuana it would blow minds.

My comment about a stone driver sitting at a stop sign waiting for it to turn green, was pretty tongue-in-cheek. I thought most would get that, so to clarify, I do think someone stoned out of their mind shouldn’t be driving a car. I think after legalization, and there are two companies racing to get this accomplished, a breathalyzer of sorts needs to be implemented to detect recent marijuana use. I hope that clarifies my thoughts on someone driving Baked out of their mind.

It boils down at the end of the day to our government simply becoming too big, and operating outside of the constitution, I am the way the founders design our country to operate. If you want to live in a state where marijuana was legal move there. If you don’t, then live somewhere where it’s not legal. Implement the 10th amendment as it was a designed, and we will all stop arguing about this stupid **** that we argue about. Not to mention all the stuff that we fight against the liberals against, high taxes, abortion, etc. I think you see my point

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Old 01-24-2020, 09:38 AM   #59
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No facts to support your claim of millionaires. That's the thing, you have no clue how many smoke occasionally in their own home. In states where it's legal it isn't allowed in public.

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Exactly my point as well bob. I believe most, would be floored, at the number of people that they know who partake in their own homes and keep it private.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:41 AM   #60
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:02 AM   #63
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The number one gateway ď drugĒ is alcohol, I worked in a rehab center and 99% of them started using alcohol, normally beer as a entry.
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:05 AM   #64
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Hereís 2 facts.
If Iím having surgery and one surgeon lit up last night, the other does not partake, Iím going with guy #2.
I have no problem with my teenage son drinking a few beers and have allowed it numerous times, Iíve never handed him a joint.
What exactly is the difference?
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:16 AM   #65
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To ignore the dangers of genetically enhanced weed, emergency room stats and the statistics on driving accidents just shows you have been indoctrinated or have adopted the weed culture.

You would now be the Iguana on Cheech & Chong’s “Nice Dreams” as foretold by the liberal globalist so many years ago. Just about the time “we” started spraying and genetic alterations started.

Good luck and smoke up !
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:21 AM   #66
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And then I got high and then I got high high

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Old 01-24-2020, 12:22 PM   #67
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Your brother was destined to be homeless, he just happened to smoke pot too. Pot on the streets costs more than a bottle of Mickeys so I'm sure you know which route they take.

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Now, how about you tell me how many homeless smoked weed in their developmental years.
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Old 01-24-2020, 12:25 PM   #68
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lol!

Some of y'all sound like a bunch of liberals whining about "Blood in the streets!!" when concealed carry was becoming legalized in the US.
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Old 01-24-2020, 12:33 PM   #69
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The number one gateway ď drugĒ is alcohol, I worked in a rehab center and 99% of them started using alcohol, normally beer as a entry.
If ANY drug should be outlawed it should be alcohol.

Alcohol kills 88,000 people every year in the US alone.

Anyone who is ok with alcohol but thinks weed is the great satan really needs to re-evaluate their priorities.

With that said I think all drugs should be decriminalized and abuse treated as the medical and psychological problem it is.
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Old 01-24-2020, 12:35 PM   #70
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I guess they legalized it in Vegas. We were there last month and after walking 100 yards down the street I felt like I'd been riding in Master P's Suburban for an hour.
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To ignore the dangers of genetically enhanced weed, emergency room stats and the statistics on driving accidents just shows you have been indoctrinated or have adopted the weed culture.

You would now be the Iguana on Cheech & Chongís ďNice DreamsĒ as foretold by the liberal globalist so many years ago. Just about the time ďweĒ started spraying and genetic alterations started.

Good luck and smoke up !
Alcohol related crashes cost 114 billion a year in direct and indirect costs. That's just accidents. Nobody is indoctrinated. If anything people are indoctrinated to the alcohol culture.
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Hereís 2 facts.

If Iím having surgery and one surgeon lit up last night, the other does not partake, Iím going with guy #2.

I have no problem with my teenage son drinking a few beers and have allowed it numerous times, Iíve never handed him a joint.
Dear lord the ignorance in this comment is unbelievable. There is no such thing as a hangover from weed. Lol.

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If ANY drug should be outlawed it should be alcohol.

Alcohol kills 88,000 people every year in the US alone.

Anyone who is ok with alcohol but thinks weed is the great satan really needs to re-evaluate their priorities.

With that said I think all drugs should be decriminalized and abuse treated as the medical and psychological problem it is.
Just FYI; 94% of Subaru thefts are perpetrated my someone under the influence of Marijuana.
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Just FYI; 94% of Subaru thefts are perpetrated my someone under the influence of Marijuana.
Well they'd have to be high to steal a Subaru.
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Just FYI; 94% of Subaru thefts are perpetrated my someone under the influence of Marijuana.
Luckily there's only meth heads where I hunt so I'm not too worried about parking on the side of the road!
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Luckily there's only meth heads where I hunt so I'm not too worried about parking on the side of the road!
Ha. You ain't wrong
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I work in the Medical Center in Houston, drive up Fannin to get to 45N. Almost every homeless, don't have alcohol, they have weed, cush, or whatever else they are smoking. Get on the train, they get on and you can smell the weed. The dealers give it to them to sale, or whatever. I watched a young dealer chase an old man around my car last week trying to cut him. This guy yesterday was smoking a joint, actually the 2 minutes that I was stuck at the red light, never moved. Looked like a statue. Had the rolled lefty in his hand, never moved the whole time. They are lined on the streets, rolling and passing around not caring who's around them. It's pretty sad.
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To ignore the dangers of genetically enhanced weed, emergency room stats and the statistics on driving accidents just shows you have been indoctrinated or have adopted the weed culture.

You would now be the Iguana on Cheech & Chong’s “Nice Dreams” as foretold by the liberal globalist so many years ago. Just about the time “we” started spraying and genetic alterations started.

Good luck and smoke up !
Hey there bud you can keep the presumptuous bull**** to yourself. there’s nothing weed culture about it. I recognize the fight against legalization for what it is. MONEY MONEY MONEY in medical field, prescriptions, insurance, etc that would take an enormous hit through legalization.

Ah yes, but I’m indoctrinated. Lmao.
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If ANY drug should be outlawed it should be alcohol.

Alcohol kills 88,000 people every year in the US alone.

Anyone who is ok with alcohol but thinks weed is the great satan really needs to re-evaluate their priorities.

With that said I think all drugs should be decriminalized and abuse treated as the medical and psychological problem it is.
Much wisdom here, that will be laughed off. Youíre not wrong.
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Liberal politics.

The left pushed me right.

I guess I'm still libertarian but not going to waste my vote on that candidate.
I'm in the same boat. I'm a libertarian that has to vote R to try to save the sinking ship.
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There is no such thing as a hangover from weed.
Yes there is. 40 years ago when I was stoned basically 24/7(I kept a bong on the nightstand and smoked a bowl last thing and first thing) every now and then I'd stop smoking for a few days when I had to be productive and get some stuff done.


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Here is more info:
https://www.docwirenews.com/home-pag...s-are-sober-2/

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Dear lord the ignorance in this comment is unbelievable. There is no such thing as a hangover from weed. Lol.

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That's what I was thinking. That and hope he doesn't mind that first MIP or worse drunk driving incident.
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If ANY drug should be outlawed it should be alcohol.



Alcohol kills 88,000 people every year in the US alone.



Anyone who is ok with alcohol but thinks weed is the great satan really needs to re-evaluate their priorities.



With that said I think all drugs should be decriminalized and abuse treated as the medical and psychological problem it is.


Great idea! Nothing like picking up a loaf of bread and 1/2 ounce of heroin at HEB.

I would encourage some of you that think all drugs should be legalized to spend a little time in special ed departments, foster programs and orphanages. The kids of these junkies probably have a different opinion of ďvictimless crimeĒ arguments.
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This is truly hilarious and eye-opening
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Great idea! Nothing like picking up a loaf of bread and 1/2 ounce of heroin at HEB.

I would encourage some of you that think all drugs should be legalized to spend a little time in special ed departments, foster programs and orphanages. The kids of these junkies probably have a different opinion of ďvictimless crimeĒ arguments.


We are talking about weed. Google fetal alcohol syndrome when you get a chance.
No way all drugs should all be legalized.



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We are talking about weed. Google fetal alcohol syndrome when you get a chance.
No way all drugs should all be legalized.



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Go back and read the post I responded to.

Iím familiar with fetal alcohol syndrome as well. Inviting additional issues because there are existing issues is a poor argument.
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This is truly hilarious and eye-opening
Oh yeah buddy, the reefer madness is alive and well. The ones who are most anti are usually the most clueless, or speak from "experience" with whatever family member. Nobody ever try's to address these issues as a public health issue which is how any drug addiction should be approached. If people think the status quo of treating it as a criminal issue has done anything of value to curb drug use they're obviously not paying attention.
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Go back and read the post I responded to.

Iím familiar with fetal alcohol syndrome as well. Inviting additional issues because there are existing issues is a poor argument.


You arenít inviting additional issues with the legalization of marijuana. My only issue is that the one that causes more real damage in cost to society in lost productivity and medical costs more than all the other ďproblemĒ drugs combined is legal, while the Devils Lettuce isnít. Sure, the politicians will pay it lip service, but thatís all it is. I donít use either but something is askew here.


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Oh yeah buddy, the reefer madness is alive and well. The ones who are most anti are usually the most clueless, or speak from "experience" with whatever family member. Nobody ever try's to address these issues as a public health issue which is how any drug addiction should be approached. If people think the status quo of treating it as a criminal issue has done anything of value to curb drug use they're obviously not paying attention.
Well said.
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Yet more facts from the medical community who would stand to lose billions through legalization. Noted, and taken with a large dose of skepticism.

To be clear, there may be some truth in some of this. But the question of WHY is not asked nearly enough in life.
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Old 01-24-2020, 03:59 PM   #93
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Wasnít arguing that at all.
Now do alcohol. Why donít they just make cool commercials and tell people ďPlease smoke responsibly.Ē like the alcohol peeps and line the pockets of pols? Youíre citing additional problems being invited. Do you think if they legalized weed, pregnant moms will say ďhail yeah, itís legal now, Iím gonna smokeĒ. Your numbers will be virtually the same either way.
I realize we probably arenít going to agree on this, but I appreciate the respectful back and forth. Have a good weekend.


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Wasnít arguing that at all.
Now do alcohol. Why donít they just make cool commercials and tell people ďPlease smoke responsibly.Ē like the alcohol peeps and line the pockets of pols? Youíre citing additional problems being invited. Do you think if they legalized weed, pregnant moms will say ďhail yeah, itís legal now, Iím gonna smokeĒ. Your numbers will be virtually the same either way.
I realize we probably arenít going to agree on this, but I appreciate the respectful back and forth. Have a good weekend.


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Did I say alcohol isnít a problem?

Itís basically like a liberal saying we should have open borders because there are already MS13 members in the United States.
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Yet more facts from the medical community who would stand to lose billions through legalization. Noted, and taken with a large dose of skepticism.



To be clear, there may be some truth in some of this. But the question of WHY is not asked nearly enough in life.


Yes. Clearly all a scam. Nothing is healthier for a fetus than getting them stoned off their *** every day during their development in the womb.
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Yes. Clearly all a scam. Nothing is healthier for a fetus than getting them stoned off their *** every day during their development in the womb.
Don’t be a dumbass. And don’t put words in my mouth. Clearly I have no trouble forming coherent thoughts, and don’t need your help. I have plenty of words of my own.

Normally I steer clear of name calling here. Made an exception for you, but more so that comment.
That being said, let me rephrase. Don’t say dumb *** ****

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Did I say alcohol isnít a problem?

Itís basically like a liberal saying we should have open borders because there are already MS13 members in the United States.
Yeah... just like that. Godspeed.
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So then tell me, Kyle. Who stands to lose the most by the legalization of marijuana. I want your honest opinion.
And don’t be so naÔve, Money makes the world go round, sadly.
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Yeah... just like that. Godspeed.
Pretty much tells ya everything you needed to know , right.
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Donít be a dumbass. And donít put words in my mouth. Clearly I have no trouble forming coherent thoughts, and donít need your help. I have plenty of words of my own.


Only a dumbass would argue that marijuana doesnít effect developing children. Have another gummie and strap that tin foil hat on a little tighter.

The rate of kids with special needs has been increasing steadily over the years. The percentage of pregnant women (70%) who think marijuana isnít harmful to a fetus is very likely tied together.

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