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Old 01-23-2020, 01:57 PM   #51
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I was expecting to read a significant study about how these new rules will help the elk population......can't find it anywhere.

How much of your $$$ does CO keep if you're unsuccessful in the draw?
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:23 PM   #52
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I'm sure Elk Calf mortality in these units has NOTHING to do with the release of all the nuisance bears from populated areas such as Durango

They open up increased Bear Tags with CAPS in these areas at reduced rates, yet don't encourage additional population control of predators like Coyotes and Mt. Lions. CO has a great resource, but its run by Left-Wing idiots who mandate based on Disney Movies.
Not only that, they are trying to put forced reintroduction of wolves on the ballot this year despite 26 counties saying they don't want it.

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I was expecting to read a significant study about how these new rules will help the elk population......can't find it anywhere.
Don't need a study. Just need to make decisions based on emotion.
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:28 PM   #53
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How much of your $$$ does CO keep if you're unsuccessful in the draw?
100% of it
To apply you must first buy a qualifying license, Small Game is $82 and a $10 Habitat Stamp. $9 per species you apply for (except $100 for sheep, moose and goat). They keep all the money if you're unsuccessful.
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100% of it
To apply you must first buy a qualifying license, Small Game is $82 and a $10 Habitat Stamp. $9 per species you apply for (except $100 for sheep, moose and goat). They keep all the money if you're unsuccessful.
Hmmmm......bet that's not really in play with their decisions
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:44 PM   #55
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Hmmmm......bet that's not really in play with their decisions
Of course not, they are basing this off detailed studies and definitely not money and emotions
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:47 PM   #56
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100% of it
To apply you must first buy a qualifying license, Small Game is $82 and a $10 Habitat Stamp. $9 per species you apply for (except $100 for sheep, moose and goat). They keep all the money if you're unsuccessful.
Most states keep some portion of your money. In Colorado, it's like $100. AZ and NV have similar app process. If you draw, then they take the remaining money for the tag, or approximately $600.

Colorado got huge push back two years ago when they reduced the price to apply from over $100 to like 25 a species. Too many people were applying, which blew up point creep for 2018.
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:49 PM   #57
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Most states keep some portion of your money. In Colorado, it's like $100. AZ and NV have similar app process. If you draw, then they take the remaining money for the tag, or approximately $600.

Colorado got huge push back two years ago when they reduced the price to apply from over $100 to like 25 a species. Too many people were applying, which blew up point creep for 2018.
I'm not complaining about the cost- its a lot more expensive to apply in some other states and Id say certainly one of the more affordable apps. I wish TPWD would increase our non-res and res app fees and make a difference between res/non-res tags among several other things; different convo though. Point is I don't mind paying to play within reason.
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This really bites. Here is the real question, how many licenses will be in the draw compared to how many licenses were purchased last year OTC, per GMU. 50% reduction, 75% reduction? What is going to be the qty of draw licenses available? Will OTC Archery bear now be Archery draw only too? This really bites!
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Old 01-23-2020, 03:33 PM   #59
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This really bites. Here is the real question, how many licenses will be in the draw compared to how many licenses were purchased last year OTC, per GMU. 50% reduction, 75% reduction? What is going to be the qty of draw licenses available? Will OTC Archery bear now be Archery draw only too? This really bites!
I would say once they get survey numbers back from last year, they will have a better answer. Last I saw was for spring 2018 (I think they are issued right after the snow melts), but maybe someone posted 2019 and I missed it in this thread?
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Old 01-23-2020, 03:57 PM   #60
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I'm talking about Public and Private. Tons of Texas residents looking for hunting land. Residents should have priority over non-residents.
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Residents already get 5 tags each over the counter the ones looking just don’t want to pay what it takes to hunt the area they want. Still plenty of cheaper areas. A draw doesn’t make that land available to them just might keep someone else off of it.
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Old 01-23-2020, 04:16 PM   #61
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Residents already get 5 tags each over the counter the ones looking just don’t want to pay what it takes to hunt the area they want. Still plenty of cheaper areas. A draw doesn’t make that land available to them just might keep someone else off of it.
That's a wag on your part.....and I disagree with you, regardless....

Residents should have priority over non-residents
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That's a wag on your part.....and I disagree with you, regardless....

Residents should have priority over non-residents
I’d bet money lots of land would be off the market if that happened. Ours would be off for sure. No guarantee of the same hunters and management would make private land worse.
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Old 01-23-2020, 04:44 PM   #64
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Not only that, they are trying to put forced reintroduction of wolves on the ballot this year despite 26 counties saying they don't want it.



Don't need a study. Just need to make decisions based on emotion.
CP&W isn't trying to force reintroduction of wolves. Crazy liberal New Jersey cat ladies are trying to get that on the ballot.
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Old 01-23-2020, 04:53 PM   #65
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I’d bet money lots of land would be off the market if that happened. Ours would be off for sure. No guarantee of the same hunters and management would make private land worse.
Why would yours be off the market? You don't think Texas residents should have priority over non-residents hunting a state resource?
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Old 01-23-2020, 05:00 PM   #66
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Why would yours be off the market? You don't think Texas residents should have priority over non-residents hunting a state resource?
When talking about Colorado we aren't talking about a state resource, we are talking about a national resource that "we" all pay for it just happens to be located in Colorado.
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Old 01-23-2020, 05:02 PM   #67
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When talking about Colorado we aren't talking about a state resource, we are talking about a national resource that "we" all pay for it just happens to be located in Colorado.
Talking about Texas....sorry for the derail on this thread
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Why would yours be off the market? You don't think Texas residents should have priority over non-residents hunting a state resource?
Don’t care for having a revolving door of different hunters with different management standards.

Also suppose it drove pricing down I believe many landowners would have the same mindset. For many it’s borderline already.

I don’t believe anyone deserves priority on private land except those who are the best fit for the landowner. Public land is different.
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Old 01-23-2020, 08:09 PM   #69
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When talking about Colorado we aren't talking about a state resource, we are talking about a national resource that "we" all pay for it just happens to be located in Colorado.
I think CPW would disagree. The game located in CO is a state resource. We may help fund management of that resource (including funding management of the land on which the game resides), but the game belongs to the state.
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