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Old 01-09-2020, 08:58 PM   #101
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How do the 280AI and 6.5 PRC compare for hunting?

Gonna be real similar. 280 AI gives more flexibility as you can go heavier bullets
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Gonna be real similar. 280 AI gives more flexibility as you can go heavier bullets
Recoil about the same ? my 12 year old will one shooting it ?
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Old 01-09-2020, 09:07 PM   #103
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I have never shot a PRC but i would guess 140 gr bullets in both would be similar recoil. Step up into the 160 plus in the 280 would have a bit more recoil. My 280 AI from APR doesn't recoil bad at all with 168 gr bullets and i hate recoil. My gun is a maverick with grayboe stock and steel barrel so it will be a bit heavier than this build.
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Old 01-09-2020, 09:09 PM   #104
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Old 01-09-2020, 09:23 PM   #105
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Howís about a 7í08?


I could go that route also in a shorter barrel. I think most of my stuff is 24 inch to 26 inch barrels.

.243 and .308 Sako and Tikka may be 22 inch barrels.


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Old 01-09-2020, 09:29 PM   #106
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Was thinking 6.5SS but now wondering if 6.5PRC and the time savings of factory ammo is good enough. I already have a 300NM for bigger game, just looking for lighter weight and recoiling rifle for medium size game.

Realize reloading gets me more bullet options. It is nice though to not have to spend the time to work up a load and then loading up for shooting. Are most people here using factory ammo or handloading? Is loading as time consuming as it seems it'd be?
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Old 01-09-2020, 09:37 PM   #107
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Robert, is this fluting an option? Still looking through all the build pictures but this caught my eye.


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Old 01-10-2020, 08:44 AM   #108
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I could go that route also in a shorter barrel. I think most of my stuff is 24 inch to 26 inch barrels.

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I did a 20Ē 7-08 last year and it is sweet!!
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Old 01-10-2020, 10:01 AM   #109
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Can we put down the deposit and then sort out the final specs later?


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I did a 20Ē 7-08 last year and it is sweet!!
Me too and its awesome.
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Old 01-10-2020, 10:22 AM   #111
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Yes as long as it's not past the cutoff date I belive.
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:38 AM   #112
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Will the faster twist .257 barrels be able to shoot the factory loads (110, 115, 120, etc)??
The faster twist .257 barrels will be ok with most of the bullet selects in the 110-120gr range such as the ELDX, Accubond, etc

I can PERSONALLY attest that my .257wby with a 1-7.5 (built by APR) runs the 115gr Bergers just fine.
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:50 AM   #113
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Does anyone have any experience with a 6.5 PRC vs .300 PRC? Pros & Cons of each? What would be the ideal barrel length and contour for each to get the most long range performance? I do plan on shooting suppressed some of the time, but not all of the time.
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Old 01-10-2020, 12:27 PM   #114
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I would say yes, as I was nocking down the door and got the 1st order in. Still doing research, but deposit is in.

Anybody have any input on a short 6.5PRC - 20" +/-? Other thought is a 18" 7-08 as I want to run suppressed most of the time.

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Old 01-10-2020, 01:01 PM   #115
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My 7-08 started with a 24” Shilen. I cut it to 22”. Going to cut it back to 16.5” real soon to run a suppressor. It’ll still carry enough energy and velocity to take deer out to 500 yards.
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Old 01-10-2020, 02:16 PM   #116
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I would say yes, as I was nocking down the door and got the 1st order in. Still doing research, but deposit is in.

Anybody have any input on a short 6.5PRC - 20" +/-? Other thought is a 18" 7-08 as I want to run suppressed most of the time.
My thought is that unless you go with a long barrel you won't get any more performance out of a 6.5 prc than you would a 6.5 creedmoor. I think the 7mm-08 is a great choice for a short barrel.
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Old 01-10-2020, 02:31 PM   #117
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I would say yes, as I was nocking down the door and got the 1st order in. Still doing research, but deposit is in.

Anybody have any input on a short 6.5PRC - 20" +/-? Other thought is a 18" 7-08 as I want to run suppressed most of the time.
I will be doing a 20" or 22" PRC
Sure you'll lose 200-300fps but Length is more of a priority when shooting suppressed. Should still be a hammer out to 600 yards
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:17 PM   #118
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:13 PM   #119
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My plan is to go with the 6.5 PRC in Option 2, with a 24" long carbon barrel and a AB Suppressor. I can't stand the thought of de-tuning the performance of the PRC into that of the creedmoor. I'm a high performance minded kinda guy and I am already stepping way down from what I'm accustomed to, but I'm convinced that the 6.5 PRC is a highly efficient and effective round that is factory ammo friendly and it will likely work to fill a gap for me. I predict that it could very well become one of my go to hunters, this side of mountain hunts for elk and mule deer, where my long range 28 Nosler trumps simply due to the shot distance that often must be overcome.

Anyway, I believe the AB Suppressors that Robert and Garrett & company at APR have been testing are going to be somewhat of a game changer on this barrel length dilemna that we suppressor users face. Having a lightweight can that "by design" adds less overall length to the barrel will ease the pain of running the barrel length needed to utilize a cartridge's potential. That's what I am thinking and hoping to see happen at least. I'm sure there's more to come on this subject...
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:20 PM   #120
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Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure that I placed the first order on this year's build, but that wasn't what was on my mind when I called APR right at opening time Wednesday morning...

But making sure that I didn't miss out on this year's build WAS!

I think it gets better every year.
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What caliber would you guys choose for an all around balanced rifle that can handle mule deer and elk but will spend most of it’s time hunting whitetail in Texas? Based on the assumption that this was the only rifle owned. I am thinking of consolidating rifles considering I do not rifle hunt much. Would prefer to have one do it all type of rifle than several different calibers to keep ammo for. I also plan to shoot suppressed so barrel length is a factor as well.
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:20 PM   #122
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What caliber would you guys choose for an all around balanced rifle that can handle mule deer and elk but will spend most of itís time hunting whitetail in Texas? Based on the assumption that this was the only rifle owned. I am thinking of consolidating rifles considering I do not rifle hunt much. Would prefer to have one do it all type of rifle than several different calibers to keep ammo for. I also plan to shoot suppressed so barrel length is a factor as well.
6.5prc or 280ai
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:42 PM   #123
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What caliber would you guys choose for an all around balanced rifle that can handle mule deer and elk but will spend most of itís time hunting whitetail in Texas? Based on the assumption that this was the only rifle owned. I am thinking of consolidating rifles considering I do not rifle hunt much. Would prefer to have one do it all type of rifle than several different calibers to keep ammo for. I also plan to shoot suppressed so barrel length is a factor as well.
I took this approach to last years build and ended up going with a 280AI. I grabbed a couple boxes of 140 grain Nosler ammo just to get it on paper as I planned to handload for it later on. I got it on paper with the factory ammo and then shot a 3 shot group that I covered with a dime. Needless to say, I haven't loaded any ammo for it yet.
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What speeds are you guys seeing from the 20” 7mm-08?
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:02 AM   #126
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6.5prc or 280ai


This is where Iím at. Canít decide between them. Seems like the 6.5 prc is slightly flatter shooting, but the .280ai carries a little more energy.

I havenít reloaded before, but I got a reloading kit for Christmas. Which one is easier to reload? I know factory loads shoot great for both calibers in the meantime.


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I took this approach to last years build and ended up going with a 280AI. I grabbed a couple boxes of 140 grain Nosler ammo just to get it on paper as I planned to handload for it later on. I got it on paper with the factory ammo and then shot a 3 shot group that I covered with a dime. Needless to say, I haven't loaded any ammo for it yet.


Iíve got a 280 AI in a Kimber Mountain Ascent that didnít group the 140ís well so I thought about doing this build in 280AI because itís one of my favorite calibers and I wanted a more accurate version. Figured I would just keep the Kimber for stalking and it was shooting around 1.5 inch groups. Ended up trying the ELDX 162ís and can cover a 3 shot group with a dime now.


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Old 01-11-2020, 11:16 AM   #128
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raw, I’d think about a two rifle arsenal. When you go on those out of state hunts, it’s real smart to have two familiar rifles in case you take a bad fall, etc. You can accomplish this by shooting your buddy’s rifle before the hunt and share rifles if things go bad. It’s just real nice to have a lighter recoiling rifle for deer and a back up rifle that shoots heavier bullets for elk but still won’t beat you up.

You could use a 280ai with 168s as the primary elk, backup deer gun. Use a 6.5 with 140s as primary deer, backup elk gun.
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Does the 280 AI have good factory ammo options? Iím familiar with the 6.5 PRC but not the 280 AI. I do not currently reload or plan to in the future so I would be dependent on factory options. Have thought about going to Copper Creek or one of the other custom load shops though.
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Does the 280 AI have good factory ammo options? Iím familiar with the 6.5 PRC but not the 280 AI. I do not currently reload or plan to in the future so I would be dependent on factory options. Have thought about going to Copper Creek or one of the other custom load shops though.
The 280 AI has more factory options than the 6.5 PRC.I have both and in the 140gr range they are very close to the same.The 280 AI ability to shoot heaver bullets is where it shines.
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Old 01-11-2020, 12:21 PM   #131
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280ai factory ammo is out there but not real common. Probably not too bad if you order it online or have Copper Creek load it up. I wouldn’t expect to find it in every Academy or Walmart though.
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What caliber would you guys choose for an all around balanced rifle that can handle mule deer and elk but will spend most of itís time hunting whitetail in Texas? Based on the assumption that this was the only rifle owned. I am thinking of consolidating rifles considering I do not rifle hunt much. Would prefer to have one do it all type of rifle than several different calibers to keep ammo for. I also plan to shoot suppressed so barrel length is a factor as well.
Going to buck the trend here I'd go with the good ole 7rm. Not a lot of attention lately but look at what it does and it really fits your needs.

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Iím thinking going bigger on this build 300 wm, 28 nos, 280 ai, or 300 wsm. Just not sure what to do!?!?
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280ai factory ammo is out there but not real common. Probably not too bad if you order it online or have Copper Creek load it up. I wouldnít expect to find it in every Academy or Walmart though.


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Robert, on a 300 win mag build do y'all use a different reamer on a rifle that will be used with only heavier bullets (215 berger class)? Garrett suggested the 1:9 over the 1:10 twist but was curious about the throat after i placed my order.
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Very, nice one day. If anyone has a last years APR build they would want to sell to upgrade to this years please PM me.
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Is there anyway i can substitute the McMillan carbon game hunter for game warden, left handed shooter, just makes it easy to where everyone can shoot in my family. Don’t want a huge cheek pad and it makes sense to keep it right. Thanks
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I’m a southpaw in the same boat and my other McMillan is a Game Scout cause it’s ambidextrous. Would like to participate again this year but need to confirm if we can go lefty/lefty on the action and game hunter that has the raised cheek piece. If not, I can go righty again but would need ambidextrous stock. Looking Option 1 28 Nosler. Please confirm options there. Thanks Again!

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Robert, on a 300 win mag build do y'all use a different reamer on a rifle that will be used with only heavier bullets (215 berger class)? Garrett suggested the 1:9 over the 1:10 twist but was curious about the throat after i placed my order.


That 1:9 is a money twist. Iíve shot 200gr projectiles through it and they performed stellar as well as the heavy stuff


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Is the action the main difference from last years build with Option 1?

I know the stock is different, but seems to be a similar purpose. I love mine from last year (honestly thought I would be out this year since I like it so much), but with the integral recoil lug, this seems to be a fine choice for a magnum. Leaning toward 7 mag for aoudad and muleys Iím planning on going after. Am I on the right track?




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Does the 280 AI have good factory ammo options? Iím familiar with the 6.5 PRC but not the 280 AI. I do not currently reload or plan to in the future so I would be dependent on factory options. Have thought about going to Copper Creek or one of the other custom load shops though.


I agree with Slick8 on the 7 mag for what you posted. For a ďdo allĒ rifle, good off the shelf ammo is important, IMO. Although I donít have one, yet...
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Anybody try the new 6.5 PRC Berger 156gr bullets? Saw that copper creek had some in their offerings and seemed 1:8 was recommended for all bullet weights in the prc.


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Started ladder testing and at 2950fps with a decent node, RL26 and ADG brass. Probably can push it a bit more to reach 3,000.

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Old 01-12-2020, 04:42 PM   #143
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Started ladder testing and at 2950fps with a decent node, RL26 and ADG brass. Probably can push it a bit more to reach 3,000.
Just a heads up, my experience with RL26 is I see some pretty serious pressure spikes when over 80 degrees ambient air temperature. If your getting close to top end in the winter you might have issues in the summer.
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Robert, on a 300 win mag build do y'all use a different reamer on a rifle that will be used with only heavier bullets (215 berger class)? Garrett suggested the 1:9 over the 1:10 twist but was curious about the throat after i placed my order.
This could be a long discussion with the technical numbers, but I'll try to make it short. SAAMI 300WM specs call for zero freebore. This is very misleading as the 300WM is one of a few cartridges that has a grossly oversized freebore diameter when compared to modern designs. Most designs call for .0005" over bullet diameter for clearance. The SAAMI 300WM has .0065" clearance!! What this means in the real world is that even with a "zero freebore"the intersection point of the ogive on the lands will be way out there given the 1.5 degree leade angle. This is why SAAMI chambers can run the 215s just fine.

I do have a reamer set up specifically for the 215s with much less clearance if somebody wants that option.
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Iím a southpaw in the same boat and my other McMillan is a Game Scout cause itís ambidextrous. Would like to participate again this year but need to confirm if we can go lefty/lefty on the action and game hunter that has the raised cheek piece. If not, I can go righty again but would need ambidextrous stock. Looking Option 1 28 Nosler. Please confirm options there. Thanks Again!
True left hand set ups are on the menu for both versions this year.
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Just a heads up, my experience with RL26 is I see some pretty serious pressure spikes when over 80 degrees ambient air temperature. If your getting close to top end in the winter you might have issues in the summer.
Excellent point!!!
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The APR contour on the Muller steel barrel; will that be somewhere between a sporter and sendero?
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Old 01-12-2020, 08:25 PM   #148
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The APR contour on the Muller steel barrel; will that be somewhere between a sporter and sendero?
This is it with micro-flutes in the APR designed AG stock.

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Old 01-12-2020, 08:51 PM   #149
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Who is doing a 6.5 PRC with a barrel shooter than 24Ē or who has one currently with a shorter barrel?


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Old 01-12-2020, 08:56 PM   #150
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Who is doing a 6.5 PRC with a barrel shooter than 24Ē or who has one currently with a shorter barrel?


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Iím wanting to do one in a 20Ē or 22Ē.

May end up just doing a 7mm-08 though

I hate these decisions lol
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